That’s just wild. The one silver lining to T2 is that I’m not shocked by anything anymore. It’s still outrageous, but the surprise is gone.
I always wondered what it would be like to live in oppressive regimes like Russia or China. Also never thought I’d live through a pandemic. Checking all the boxes lately.
And you’ll see why 1984 won’t be like “1984”.
By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced
Ah yes, we’ve already discovered everything. Science is over, everyone, let’s go home.
The longer it takes to find the zoonotic link the higher the probability of lab origin.
He really has to put his ugly ass face on everything.
Does anyone know where the Wuhan Virology institute actually is? https://preview.redd.it/mie3e4ld3ee41.png?width=1320&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b71b94a05ee7832e7550595fc793b7486704ba8
It seems surprisingly mobile.
WIV hs multiple campuses and labs, including a level 2 lab 400m from the market.
The US government really is just being vandalised.
This is a group of people who feel they’ve been unfairly made fun of for too long finally getting their revenge.
It is insane how many comments here believe that humans somehow made COVID-19 in a lab and leaked it. It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature. In fact, the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between coronavirus that the antigen work which the vaccine was based upon was done BEFORE COVID-19 in Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth.
This WILL happen again, and conspiracy theories that have now shut down labs and funding are likely to cause millions of lost lives next time. We got lucky and the tinfoil hats are going to guarantee we’ll be unlucky next time.
It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature.
In theory. In practice no evidence of these stages has been found.
However it would be feasible to simulate the conditions required in a lab environment.
Controlled funding for gain of function research does not mean all lab work should stop.
Let me know how “gain of function” research is different than using plasmids. I’ll wait.
Yeah, I used to believe that too. Until I read how irresponsible these scientists were. Before the outbreak, they were planning to release an enhanced version into bat caves filled with bats to observe how the coronavirus mutated. They were infecting bats in the lab with coronavirus. Nobody said they created this from scratch, but they could have definitely helped evolution along. Even the CIA suspects it could have been a lab leak. I think the problem is that thinking it is “man-made” is hard for many, but it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
Only for the ignorant. This is how research has worked for decades. Even the CIA (who are not scientists) have “low confidence”. Since when does “low confidence” mean it happened or you believe it??
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature and because it is a highly mutable RNA virus, was able to infect humans. No credible scientist says otherwise. Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make? This is NOT a man made virus and to make the leap to that is just plain ignorance.
So the ignorant human response is to shut down all research on viruses because of the fear of it being “man made”. The result? When this happens again in 3 or 100 years (which it will), we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE. We’ve ALREADY discovered a number of viruses in the wild that are likely to mutate and cause another pandemic. We should be celebrating research because the previous decade of work on antigen presentation of the spike protein gave us a vaccine in 11 months that we would otherwise likely not have EVEN TODAY.
I guess this is why ancient civilizations had human sacrifice when there was an eclipse. The stupid scared ignorant people determined public policy.
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature
This is an exaggeration. There was a strain logged that was 96% similar (BatCoV RaTG13) but this lacked the proteins at the S1/S2 furin cleavage site.
This is NOT a man made virus
But it could be a man influenced virus.
we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE
Vaccine research does not require gain of function studies.
Lol. ANY molecular biology research involves plasmids, which is the prime example of “gain of function”. It’s the cornerstone of molecular genetics for the last 40 years.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00991-0 https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/250304/1/250304.pdf
You are out of your league dude. Stop spreading lies.
Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make?
Firmer policies & enforcement of safety protocols? Informed selection of safety protocols?
These things already happen to an insane degree, which is good. Others are using this argument to either jump to the conclusion that it’s man made or that we should shut down all coronavirus research. There is a clear distinction between these thoughts that are being intentionally blurred by those with an agenda.
We ought to be vigilant about leaping to conclusions or letting biases creep in, and I can’t control others doing that.
Contrary to these things happening to an insane degree, it’s not clear the laboratories in question took adequate precautions.
Concerns about biosafety standards first caught my notice with this report stating that the laboratory may have been working with coronavirus at inappropriate biosafety levels as low as 2 (eg, unblocked respiratory paths of infection). Questioning the source (even though it seems coherent), I noticed other corroborating reports with references. If the reports are true, then these laboratories in the Wuhan Institute worked with infectious coronaviruses at inappropriate biosafety levels lower than their US counterparts.
Okay you’ve refused to acknowledge or read my more important points so it appears you don’t want a conversation with perseverations on your agenda. Good luck.
I don’t know what logically led you to that conclusion. Maybe you ought to self-reflect & work on your own biases/not jump to conclusions?
I’m linking to supporting references, and you’re not, so 🤷.
And you believe that batshit?
Absolutely batffling…
So… Chinese Americans (and anyone vaguely Asian looking) the next to be sent to concentration camps?
Sinophobia was already rampant and bipartisan.
Deliberately fueled by the government.
Like the embarrassing ‘spy’ balloon farce as an example.Not going to make excuses for the democrats, I am saying our nazi government needs more scapegoats, and they’re back to spreading lies about them. It’s the first step like calling all immigrants ms13.
also true
If it did come from a lab it would be Fort Detrick.
The place where the anthrax came from used in the 9/11 letters.Why would he want his photo in the middle of that text? He’s associating himself with negativity, I feel like this is marketing/propaganda 101. It honestly looks like a movie poster where he’s the one leaking it.
Can someone help me understand what’s going on here?
Are they trying to throw shade on China because… they think it will help win the trade war?
Actually this news makes me have a conspiracy theory now.
- Trump started trade war with china early January 2018
- The Wuhan was studying the corona virus in the wild as usually, mostly with relax work
- Wuhan lab start publishing about covid in mid 2018 studying different variation
- Wuhan lab start testing mixing covid with hiv and stuff
- Trump loses the Trade war around late 2019
- 2019 Military World Games is happening in Wuhan October 18–27, 2019 .
Here is my new conspiracy theory:
- “Ordered by trump - CIA cause the leak to happen from the lab to the market to damage the Chinese economy”
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- First report of covid patient around November 2019
- First Cluster of patient around December 2019
Considering how the US government has been consistent of disregards of human life I see this as realistic case of why Trump keep circling back to this.
Here are some additional dots to tie pieces of string to.
So, this is wild speculation, but I’ll tell you my guess. I think it’s about TSMC, the world’s leading semiconductor manufacturer. China has, for years, been saying that Taiwan isn’t an independent country, but is instead “Chinese Taipei,” a part of China. They’ve been using this idea for years to gradually build towards an invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan, of course, does consider itself an independent nation. The US officially holds no position on this question, which is kinda bonkers; there’s this whole diplomatic dance about whether the US would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion. The US might not care if it weren’t for TSMC, which runs the plants that produce a huge proportion of the world’s CPUs and GPUs and AI chips. All the best chip-making technology and know-how is with TSMC. It’s a major vulnerability in the US supply chain.
China has been ramping things up in the past several years. It’s suspected that a big part of why they’re going along with the Russian invasion of Ukraine is that Russia probably promised to go along with China invading Taiwan in exchange. It’s all very sub-rosa, but there’s been so much military maneuvering and posturing and so on back and forth around Taiwan that it’s been kind of dizzying.
This is, unfortunately, part of why China was enthusiastic about getting Trump back into the White House. Trump’s policies of isolating the US from its military allies, instigating worldwide trade chaos, and cozying up to dictators make the conditions a lot more ripe for China to make a move on Taiwan. And since the US has never been able to actually talk about Taiwan before, it’s gonna look absolutely batshit to the majority of Americans if China invades Taiwan and the US government suddenly wants to go to war against China over this, which seems like a huge risk. But since, as Trump so eloquently put it, “everything is computer,” we basically can’t stand by and let China take Taiwan without a fight.
So he’s trying to gin up sentiment against China on his own terms to lay the groundwork for a war that seems increasingly inevitable.
That is indeed wild speculation and sinophocic garbage
It’s possible to have a poor opinion of the Chinese government without having a bigoted opinion about the Chinese people.
Possible but not common.
Don’t tell me you haven’t seen plenty of racist comments online directed at Chinese people.
Same for Russians or whatever country/people we’re supposed to hate.
Everyone except for the people who get sent to El Salvador…
Something something Manifest Destiny
Yeah, I agree with that, seems to me the most recent plot twists in The Story of America certainly makes people to feel Free… after they are no longer in America. I’m not American, I feel pretty Free, and I do hope Americans one day feel Free again.
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OMG, tinfoil hat too tight??
First of all, “gain of function” viral and bacterial research has been a critical part of research for DECADES. There is absolutely no connection nor sequence relationship between ANY of gain of function research done in Wuhan and COVID-19. ALL the fears are hypothetical. Meanwhile, this type of research is the basis for all kinds of medical and research advances for the last 30 years (gene replacement, stem cells, siRNA, on and on).
Second, you don’t have a clue how NIH funding works. Grants are submitted to COMMITTEES at the NIH. Fauci was NEVER head of NIH, but even if he was he would have no awareness of nor control over these grants and funding. It’s not a dictatorship and one person absolutely cannot determine if a grant gets funded. It’s an incredibly arduous process that takes years and many many scientists reviewing and debating the facts and merits of the proposal, including safety protocols. Think peer review times 100. So to claim that Fauci should be held “criminally liable” is laughably ignorant.
NONE of the sequence altering research in the Wuhan lab had any relationship from a sequence perspective to COVID19. Every credible scientist acknowledges that. Is it possible that the wild type virus was being studied in the lab and somehow got out of the lab vs in the wild? Yes, it’s possible. Does it matter? No, it does not. It was going to happen and IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Meanwhile, people like you make ignorant fear claims that are getting research labs shut down. The same labs, like Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth that did 10 years of research altering the mRNA sequence of the spike protein so that it would be accurately presented as an antigen that gave us the vaccine in 11 months. Without this “gene altering” research that could be interpreted as “scary”, we probably still wouldn’t have a vaccine.
Federal government reported the possibility without Trump in office:
- FBI reported it was likely
- Department of Energy joined them in saying it was possible.
Sources
It’s not a wild conspiracy theory. Virological gain of function research & lax safety protocols could lead to unsurprising results that aren’t necessarily malicious.
I’m not a conspiracy theorist but
Literally you
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I saw a billboard outside of my city yesterday saying something like “did your loved ones really die of COVID-19?” and had some “covid is a hoax” website named on it. What a fucking dark timeline we’re in.
