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The poll indicates support for the more aggressive position Newsom has taken in standing up to Donald Trump, particularly over a plan by Republicans in Texas to redraw their state’s congressional seat map in the hopes of winning more seats in midterm elections next year.
The battle to become the 2028 presidential election candidate will likely set the new direction for the Democratic Party as it struggles with net favorability at what one recent poll showed to be a three-year low. Newsom has not formally announced his candidacy.
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After reading through the comments here, I’m no longer curious as to how we arrived at where we currently are. We’re an absolute mess! An embarrassingly arrogant and equally ignorant mess.
And while it’s true that our future remains uncertain, after reading through this thread, I’m not sure it’s a good idea that any of us hold on to any length of hope that this disaster will ever right itself again. That is, if it is to be believed that we are a microcosm of a larger collective.
It’s said, that hope is a luxury of those who have a choice. But we had a choice. And what did we do? We slept. We withheld votes in protest. We stayed home. We opted out. However it is presented- We made our choice.
And now here we are. Salivating at the chance to tear one another a new asshole while we marinade in the results of our inability to do the bare minimum to protect a nation’s democracy.
We didn’t just deserve this:
We earned it.
If this is the basket the Democrats put their eggs into I sense 8 years of the couch fucker in our futures. Newsome fucking sucks. At best he panders to progressives with one hand while he signs yet another shady bullshit deal behind closed doors like every single other politician alive with his other.
You think it’s just a coincidence that all the money they raised with that benefit concert happened to go into non-profits that his wife runs? You think its been an accident that those effected by the fires haven’t seen a penny from that concert?
California has some of the most corrupt and inept leadership it has ever had. More money than ever is being spent on things like homelessness and public transit projects, but strangely both the public transit and homeless problem have only been getting worse.
Fuck Gavin Newsome.
Idk how he would pander to progressives after mostly vetoing progressive laws in California then going on an anti trans kick once Trump won
But why?? Because he’s acting like trump??
No, because he’s mocking Trump. And because he’s fighting back in the dirt with redistricting.
Did you read the article?
He’s standing up to trump by just going mask off and acting like him
Slop
There’s no way he would win an election.
Why not? He has a key advantage over Hillary and Kamala: he has a penis.
He’s also a multimillionaire married to a billionaire, which helps. Him, not the voters, but it helps.
The DNC will die before it learns a lesson.
Great. He’s gonna Hilary-up the election again.
Don’t forget to pokey-mon-go to the polls.
Yeah, let’s put up another California democrat that’s too centrist to attract progressives and too California to attract middle America, it worked so well last time…
It only makes sense to those who only think hilldog and Harris lost because they were women not because they ran God awful campaigns
A month ago, I would have said the same thing. Right now though, he’s the only candidate I see standing up to Trump
I don’t particularly like his policies, but I want someone either very progressive, or willing to get dirty
The current regime is far too fascist for me to worry about whether someone is progressive enough
It’s almost as if the people who find Republican issues compelling would rather vote for a full Republican than a Republican-lite. Maybe if he curses while doubling down on Zionism he will somehow reach the 3rd rail 🙄
They’re going to do Hillary 3.0 in 2028 aren’t they.
It’s his turn
You better believe it!
Sure, let’s elect a Reagan republican dressed up as a democrat who will spend his whole term trying to reach across the aisle.
California Gov. Gavin Newsom torched his own political party and said Democrats have to speak to Republicans — and reject cancel culture — if they want to win.
Screw that. I enjoy watching Newsom bicker with Trump just like I enjoy when the Lincoln Project mocks Trump. But the next democratic candidate needs to be an actual progressive that supports workers and the disadvantaged in our nation.
I am very willing to debate this leading up to and during the primaries, but once those are done I am going to vote against the GOP no matter who is on the ballot.
I am going to vote against fascism. If the Democratic party insists on choosing a candidate who agrees with Republican efforts to genocide me, then I am going to vote against their fascist too. And don’t come looking for me to whine about it after; by the time the Niemoller poem gets to you I’ll be long gone already.
I’m with you 100% on that. If Newsom is on the ballot, he’ll get my vote.
Why would they care about anything you want if you’re going to vote for them no matter what?
You can make your case against Newsom during the primary.
If Democrats generally agree with you, then someone else will be nominated. If Democrats generally disagree with you, then why would you expect them to do what you want?
If people were willing to withhold their vote and not vote dem, then the dems wouldn’t be able to ride roughshod over labor issues the way they do now.
If people really wanted Dems to prioritize labor issues, then Dems who prioritized labor issues would win primaries.
oh dear… no they wouldn’t. You’re living in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, the system is rigged against labor issues. Look at the ratfucking bernie got and he was a compromiye candidate.
Nonsense. Bernie lost because he is unpopular among Black voters. And polls consistently show that Democratic voters prioritize other issues over labor.
In case you haven’t noticed, the people who show up year after year and engage with the party are the ones who get their policies. If you demonstrate you’re feckless and undependable, politicians will rightly surmise that there’s no point even trying to please you because you don’t show up when it matters.
Except we saw that to be false in the case of bernie where the party leadership kept putting their thumb on the scale, with superdelegates and whatever.
Feckless and undependable voter means someone who wont blindly vote dem every single time? Why is gruesome newsom spending so much time on fascist podcasts bashing trans people then?
Them: “The Democrats keep lying to us and screwing us over, WTF?!?”
Me: “Well, you keep announcing that you will vote for them, even though they keep doing that, right?”
Them: “Yes, but I can’t figure out why keep lying to us and screwing us over”
Me: “…”
Right?? This is what voting Kamala got them and she lost, imagine the candidate after newsom if he won… Probably Liz Cheney
My fear is that the politics-as-sport metaphor has become too literal. He’s getting attention by hitting at Trump and more Democrats should be doing that, but his actual policies and stances are uninspiring and offensive. He’s another pro-corporate, pro-wealth, pro-status-quo white guy whose best quality is he isn’t Trump.
Completely agree. I long for the day I can finally for FOR something rather than AGAINST something.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
On the other hand, not-trump is a pretty damn good quality.
Sad but true. I fucking hate that we are talking about this fucking asshole, but like that bullshit recall election in '21, I will hold my nose and vote for harm reduction. So fucking depressing. You think its gonna be Trump again? If he wants to stay in power, breaking the 22nd amendment, why have elections at all?
Welcome to every president since Reagan.
Pretty sad to see all these bluemagas already prepared to lose and suck it up and vote for gruesome newsom. Why would the dems give you anything if you’re prepared to do whatever they ask of you anyway??? Hey boss I would like a salary increase but dont worry if you cant I’m gonna work here forever no matter what…
Let’s see if we get a competitive primary. We really haven’t had one of those since 2008. If Newsom can win over genuine challengers in a primary, then maybe he can pull off a win in the general.
Who gives a shit if he can win? Arguably its even worse if the dems get to run a candidate like that and still get votes.
Newsom is just controlled opposition.
Newsom is a corpo’s idea of a progressive candidate. That is, he’s not a progressive candidate.
He’s not actually doing anything, and less than six months ago he was sucking up to Alex Jones and Charlie Kirk and telling them he agrees with them and the Dems need to move to the right on “social issues” like the existence of LGBT and racism.
Newsom is who the billionaires want, he’d be the worst possible pick for anyone else.
So who instead? Bernie? Jesus. You people don’t want anything.
Thank God this is the top comment here. I keep seeing these posts about him and I’m just worried all the liberals are falling for his bullshit pandering.
God I’ve hated watching the way that this shitshow has turned Newsom into the Dem’s new darling rising star. He’s just more of the same neoliberal shit that got us here in the first place.
Still, though, I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back, and the more voices that we have screaming “this isn’t normal, this isn’t okay,” the better imo. I think he’d be a shit president, but in comparison to the situation we have going on now? He’d be a fucking dream.
I’ll acknowledge that he’s at least publicly fighting back
He’s not…
He’s making a lot of noise and saying he’s fighting back. But he got the Texas Dems to return to Texas so their redistricting can happen.
But Cali isn’t redistricting. Right now it might be something that people can vote if they want it to happen, and even if that vote passes it might not happen.
We’re losing actual battles because of his lies and misrepresentations about what he is doing in Cali.
My guy, you know that it’s in the state constitution via the Prop 11 ballot measure in 2008 that redistricting cannot happen outside an independent commission. Voters need to approve side stepping that. Newsom is doing something by quickly putting it to a special vote, but he can’t just overrule the constitution. He’s not the president…
I don’t like Newsom any more than anyone else here, but when the progressive leaders you imagine are now running the Democratic Party step up publicly and take concrete steps to stop this creeping coup, then we can talk.
So…
It’s not guaranteed to happen…
But because Newsom kept saying it would happen, Texas Dems already returned, and it will happen in Texas…
But you don’t understand why this is a bad thing?
You don’t understand that Texas Dems should have never returned?
You can down vote me every time I point out something you don’t like, but it won’t make you right. The people of California are pissed. LA just had mass protests and Trump called in the US military to silence them. They’ve drawn up a new map and it’s going to a vote. The odds are very good it’ll pass.
People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it. What are you doing?
People aren’t going to decamp for over a year away from their families because you demand it.
Decamp?
If they don’t have what it takes to fight fascism, why the fuck are they in office?
People (including their constituents) are being kidnapped and sent to motherfucking concentration camps, but staying in a hotel is too much to ask of them?
With standards this low, no wonder you like Newsom
If you think you would be a better legislator, then go ahead and run for office.
If you can’t be bothered to run, then you know why they are in office.
Fair. My intention was more to say ‘giving the appearance of fighting back’. My thinking on it was that it is, on net, better to have even an ineffectual example to serve as a reminder that dissent is a choice which both has been and remains available to us all. Your concern about the potentially performative nature of the situation doing damage by muddying the decision making of how that dissent should be handled, however, is extremely valid. Hell, a misunderstanding of what was happening in California even skewed my analysis of the situation until I just looked into it more.
Either way, though, I still fucking hate the guy. I suppose I shouldn’t be too surprised, either; talking a big game and then doing exactly nothing while shit falls apart around you is a textbook Democrat move.
is a textbook
Democratneoliberal move.And people are actually doing things. They’re just not neoliberals so billionaire owned media won’t talk about it.
That’s my whole point…
Too bad cathartic gestures win elections, not logic.
We’re so short sighted and bad at making long term beneficial decisions. Idk how humanity is gonna survive
Newsom sounds like a typical Democrat then
He’s not a Dem, he’s a neoliberal.
It’s way past the time to stop pretending there isn’t a distinction. We can’t just let them keep lying about what they are, because they’re trashing the image of the entire Democratic party.
They don’t have the same goals, strategy, or process.
Neoliberals are fundementally different than Democrats. And now that neoliberals no longer control the democratic party, it’s time to differentiate the two camps.
Um what?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party. They’re still running the party as they have been for the past few decades. Maybe accept that and stop supporting the party.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, Kamala Harris, Andrew Cuomo, and Gavin Newsom are some of the major leaders of the democratic party.
Because the neo liberals controlled the DNC for decades, and if reps didn’t vote for who the DNC wanted in those positions, the DNC would fuck with them and withhold the money that was stolen from their state via Victory Fund out of spite.
They’d fuck over any incumbent that went against them, even if that meant a republican kept the seat.
But the voting members of the DNC finally kicked the neoliberals out of power at the DNC.
The people you are talking about are still coasting off the last leadership elections in the House/Senate when the neoliberals were in charge. They won’t win the next ones without the threats from the DNC.
Does it make sense now?
This is important to understand and billionaire owned media sure as shit aren’t going to explain it, so if you have more questions I’ll try to answer them.
Who is in a leadership position in the DNC that isn’t a neolib?
The chair, who unilaterally controls everything for the next 3 years…
If you think he’s going to fight against progressives, look at the decade he ran Minnesota, it went from a purple state to deep blue and home to some of our most progressive House reps.
If Martin is a neo liberal who wants to keep progressives out of office, he’s so bad at it he might as well not be trying.
Logically that means the reason he was picked is the voting members of the DNC want to listen to voters again instead of screeching at them.
Quick edit:
But it seems you’re conflating House/Senate leadership with DNC leadership…
They should be separate things, but decades of neoliberalism has intertwined the two.
It’s going to take another House/Senate leadership election cycle to fix that, because the last vote happened with the old DNC.
I guess time will tell. Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
I guess time will tell
Martin ran Minnesota up till the day he became DNC chair…
He’s not some random unknown person, there is zero indication to show he’s going to run the DNC differently than he did Minnesota.
If he does start fucking around, believe me I’ll be the first to call him out on it. But right now there is zero logical reason to expect any difference.
Though I’d still rather go for real socialism than progressivism
That’s the great part about Martin.
It’s not that he has a view of what voters want, and is going to try and make that work.
He runs fair, unbiased primaries, and whoever wins he’ll put the full weight of the party behind them in a general.
It’s why billionaires are trying to convince people they shouldn’t vote in the next dem presidential primary, and why it’s essential we counter that
From what I’ve seen, he’s further to the right than even many of the utterly useless center-right Democrats.
Out of curiosity, why did you reply to a comment about the importance of differentiating neoliberals from Dems, by conflating the two?
Because they haven’t left the Democratic Party yet, and though the party may be starting to move away from neoliberalism, most of its most prominent voices today are still neoliberals. Running Newsom as a presidential candidate would seal the deal.
Right on, just making sure there wasn’t a good reason. Thanks for confirming
Please no.
Uh… We’ve all been saying those exact words for nearly a decade*, over and over and over… And, this is all where that gets us. 🤌🏻
*(depending on one’s age/awareness)
And we’ll keep saying those words until someone listens.
Dont spurn the ones asking for a drink spurn those that hold back the water because it upsets their donors.
FWIW, I’m not “spurning” anyone, gramps.
Agreed, but this has been a long time coming
I am not American, but I would begrudgingly vote for him if I could. That is, unless, if the US progressives have gained momentum and takes over the party and
