“Isn’t he dreamy?” The judge is on record saying.
And that’s the ball game.
Maybe now they can start looking for the real killer.
Now move on to hero charges
He looks innocent to me.
I believe Luigi is the killer, and he should be regarded as a hero. The slaying of Brian Thompson was a honorable and heroic act.
Killing a man who did the evil and destructive work of Healthcare CEO has literally saved the lives of hundreds or maybe even thoudands of United Health customers who would have had their lifesaving care denied.
If you are lucky enough to be chosen for jury duty, please study Jury Nullification
I believe a CEO was murdered but I’ve seen zero evidence it was Luigi and all evidence points to another man of different height and build. Law enforcement and prosecution haven’t even established that Luigi was even in the city, the photo used to identify him was proven to be 3 weeks olds at the time of the shooting.
It takes twelve to hang the accused but only one to hang the jury
Jury annulment is the better option here. Best option.
Acquittal is what happens when all twelve jurors vote “not guilty”.
Conviction is what happens when all twelve jurors vote “guilty”.
A hung jury is what happens when at least one of the jurors votes differently from the others.
Jury nullification is when the jury votes to acquit despite the obviousness of the guilt of the accused. It is not the best option. The best option is for the jury to acquit based on the fact that the evidence is honestly shit.
Though jurors are never required to disclose the reasons for their vote. Any one juror who votes “not guilty” and refuses to budge from that position despite the others voting “guilty” will cause a hung jury and prevent the accused from being convicted.
Hence, it takes twelve (unanimous agreement of all jurors) to hang the accused, and it also takes twelve to acquit them, but any single juror can choose to hang the jury by obstinately voting against the others.
And make absolutely sure that they don’t suspect you will be doing jury nullification. They won’t allow you to be on the jury if you do.
‘I believe in the letter of the law laid out by our true and just government. Also every social media post I ever made was just a shit post and I have matured as an adult last week.’
Think that will work?
They need to link to your social media posts to YOU. My Lemmy accounts are made with temporary emails. In fact, I stopped using reusable emails unless I absolutely have to. Also I was active on facebook (I only made a facebook account because of the pestering of my family many years ago. But I didn’t use it much until years later… and even then, just for a few years, and then I stopped. I stopped using it for a long ass time. I have yet to delete my account though). There was that dumb trend online of many people using their real identities, which I kinda fell for until I realized how colossally stupid it was.
Basically if I had to conceal my lemmy posts (which is my main online social media) I just need to delete my cache and cookies and there is no way for them to find them on my phone or my other computers for them to search. I can deny ever having made any post and there is not a damn thing they can do about it. Even if they somehow want full records from ISP (and I use a VPN) I can just say I read everything and never posted.
No. It won’t.
If you say the words “jury nullification” before you’re selected, you’ll 100% be disqualified. If you say it after you’re selected… you’ll probably still be disqualified. There’s really no reason at all to say those words anywhere near an actual jury. But you can explain the idea, carefully, and maybe not too explicitly.
A jury is the final arbiter of the law. If you decide that throwing a sandwich does not constitute assault, then it’s not assault.
Nice try, but unlikely
Luigi did what he did in defense of all of us.
He should be freed.
I haven’t seen any statements from the defense that include an admission of guilt. Got a link to the source?
“Allegedly did” at that.
The only thing Luigi kills is his looks.
I remain unconvinced they even got the right fucking guy
Which means the actual killer effectively got away with it. Good. I hope he lives a long and quiet life.
Not me, I hope we see him again soon. There’s still a few thousand billionaires more than necessary.
So he is a good guy Jackal? Like from the Day of the Jackal?
If they did, I suspect they caught him via illegal methods. The story doesn’t add up.
Amongst many other oddities and inconsistencies, the evidence chain of custody was absolutely fucked six ways from Sunday
Same
They didn’t get the right guy. Luigi looks nothing like the images of the shooter.
In a written decision, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.
“While the defendant was clearly expressing an animus toward UHC, and the health care industry generally, it does not follow that his goal was to ‘intimidate and coerce a civilian population,’ and indeed, there was no evidence presented of such a goal,” Carro wrote.
Hope the rest of the trial goes with as much sense as this
It’s good to see things simmer back down to reality after all the inflammatory politically-motivated accusations. Everyone deserves a fair trial.
That’s huge. That was a big charge and the prosecutors really wanted it.
Hell yes. Now the guy just has to keep them from proving he did it. Honestly feels doable
I mean it’s super super tenuous that he did it in the first place. Again they ethier got him through illegal means or just framed a guy and both feel equally likely in this case with how hard the prosecution keeps dropping the ball.
It’s been fishy from the start.
I for one was marathoning Mario Party with him that morning. All the best people are saying it!
That’s a great idea. Mario Kart drive me to freedom
I understand why they tried to throw those charges in, but I don’t like the inconsistency of doing so.
I agree this is a sensible outcome.
Because the Justice department is being run by headlines and idiots.
The emphasis on “intimidate and coerce a civilian population” is interesting. Seems to imply billionaires are not considered part of the civilian population. As they shouldn’t be.
That is not how I read it. If he had shot and left a note saying “fuck billionaires” or “fuck CEOs” then it would be terrorism because he would be threatening them. But his problem was just this guy. It was plain murder / revenge.
The internet made him a champion of “anti billionaires” against his will
Yep. Maybe this is irelevant to US law, but I’m in Romania (European Union member) at the moment and here discriminating against someone based on wealth (wealthy/poor) is a hate crime (as is discriminating based on gender, age, orientation, etc). So at the most it’d be a hate crime. The terrorism charges were politically motivated.
Sometimes you take the hero you get, whether they want to be or not.
Before we go giving the legal system a pat on the back for that, that’s not really what’s happening. The law is written with a high level of provable intent in mind, and that’s the only way it could possibly pass 1st Amendment muster. It’s really, really hard to prove anyone intended to intimidate anyone.
Is it normal for judges to make comments that are worded like the defendant is guilty?
Right? I thought that was odd, too.
They should have said something like, “The prosecution hasn’t established a motive for the crime to justify a terrorism charge,” or something similar.
But I’m not a lawyer, so it’s possible (maybe probable) that it’s fine to reference the defendant’s motives in reference to the prosecution’s claims.
Amen - thank you, yes!
The only people without such animus either work for the industry or are shareholders.
Anyone looking at the terrorism charge knew it was bullshit, but check this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/16/luigi-mangione-terrorism-charges-dropped
““Counts 1 and 2, charging defendant with Murder in the First Degree (in furtherance of an act of terrorism) and Murder in the Second Degree as a Crime of Terrorism, are dismissed as legally insufficient,” Carro wrote. “The People presented legally sufficient evidence of all other counts, including Murder in the Second Degree (intentional).””
They didn’t just toss the terrorism addendum, they tossed two of the murder charges with the terrorism rider.
Free Luigi! Find the real killer!
The real killer is dead, he was the CEO
Luigi and I were hanging out in California that morning. He’s clearly being rail roaded.
Mouth, ass, pay. I’m missing words.
The cops have totally botched this case. No piece of evidence is not tainted, and that perp walk is enough to bias any jury. He should be let free (for a myriad of reasons).
Lmao that helicopter perp walk with the giant sniper/assault rifle guys. Transparently obvious what they were trying to accomplish
In a written decision released as Mangione appeared in court, Judge Gregory Carro said that although there is no doubt that the killing was not an ordinary street crime, New York law doesn’t consider something terrorism simply because it was motivated by ideology.
Obviously…
They say killing anyone wealthy is terrorism, because they don’t think fonus as real people.
They only care about wealthy bigots
Excellent news. Now the prosecution needs to find and convince 12 people that he did it. I’m not sure they have the evidence to do that.
I don’t doubt they have evidence that irrefutably proves he’s the shooter…
The issue has always been legally admissible evidence.
I think they broke a shit ton of laws to find out who did it, then failed to retroactively create a “partel investigation” that would have legally uncovered the evidence so it could be used anyway.
Like, that’s pretty normal for cops. They break laws to solve a crime, make up some bullshit about how they’d have found it anyways, then overcharge to get a plea deal and avoid trial.
Luigi ain’t taking a plea deal, and while they may very well know it’s him, they can’t prove it in court
I think the term is “parallel investigation” or parallel construction investigation." I don’t doubt that you are correct though.
Yeah, that’s just a typo.
The whole thing is bullshit tho. When you already know where you’ll find evidence, it’s easy to justify after the fact how you could have legally been able to search that one place.
But they can’t narrow it down to that spot except by violating civil rights.
I do doubt they have evidence he is the shooter. Just the footage taken at the scene has details that don’t match with Luigi at all. He was in the area since the image from the hostel is very likely him, but just being in the general vicinity isn’t enough to convict.
Dude…
It’s 2025.
If you think the US government can’t tell who was on a street at a certain time and then search everyone’s cell phones and track where they’ve been to narrow it down to a very small number of people…
Like
I dunno what to tell you.
The sun also rises each morning and sets at night. And Tuesdays usually follow Mondays.
Face that gorgeous belongs in a museum, not death row
