Tell me there are no women in your life without saying there are no women in your life.
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Oh cool, GFR has finally gone mask-off.
This has always been the case, but I’m going to take this opportunity to state that links to that site are not allowed here, and will be removed on sight.
@ValueSubtracted Thanks for the reminder. Yeah, I would never link because eww, but a screenshot for general pointing-and-laughing was just too tempting.
I don’t know a single conservative that likes Trek.
… … Wat? Is this based on Star Trek fans despising NuTrek? Because that has to do with shit writing and shitting on continuity…
As a mental exercise I like to perceive Star Trek as a racist propaganda show.
Star Trek can be seen as the way, a fascist empire wants to be perceived. The whites are in control but benevolent. Minority groups have their token share of roles but they never threaten the control of the whites.
The visible people are mostly white and never have a brown, black and Asian percentage that could be expected from a united earth.
The organisation is hierarchical. A militarized society would be the solution to overcome all conflicts.
It is clear that the casting was needed to gain market share in the US but that also means that the show can trigger nostalgica in those who want to continue those proportions.
I agree with all you said, I just can’t believe it is possible for conservative viewers of the show to be blindered to the numerous, numerous ways where the show morals, both implied and very much stated, are antithetical to the entire value structure of the modern right-wing of the USA.
But then again, when I think of the Trek fans I know in real life, it is surprising how many of them are Republicans. Not a majority, but enough. So they might just be overlooking the things they don’t agree with.
Lead hits hard.
This is the stupidest fucking thing I’ve ever read in my life.
I like older trek because the writing was interesting and sometimes cerebral. I have no qualms with LGBT characters, I have a problem with shitty written plot and characters. Take the show away from paramount, hire the best writers you can who care some about continuity of the star trek universe and you’d have an almost guaranteed viral franchise.
Bring back the DS9 writers if they are willing, also fuck Rick Berman.
And the setting, while they’re at it!
Imagine what they could do with Changeling crewmates, mixed with a Picard style Android and maybe the Gamma Quadrant. They’d be perfect vehicles to explore more modern issues (trans stuff/AI, for instance. Maybe neurodivergence?) in a Star Trek coat of paint.
continuity of the star trek universe
Actually I think this is a fairly low priority if you want to gather more viewers.
Yeah, sure. As long as Fox doesn’t broadcast the first episode last and confuse the fuck out of all the watchers. Of course, the last bit that explains everything that no one lasts long enough to see.
You might be able to make some comic and novels for those rare fans. To get that understanding how everyone got there from earth if some jackass sabatours don’t persuade everyone on Reddit that your comics suck. Probably the same Alliance that flexxed Fox to do what they did in the beginning.
Maybe they make some board games too. Or hitch your actors to flip their character rep skill with the the Giggle and make a Horrible Sing-a-Long Blog.
Oddly specific ranting, browncoat.
Took the opportunity.
This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard. Star Trek is the original woke.
A black woman was part of command staff on the bridge.
They entertained TVs first interracial kiss.
Their society doesn’t involve money.
They have a no interference policy as the prime directive, completely opposite the bottom line of the United States.
Roddenberry knew Takei was gay.
For an example of TOS’ level of woke, please refer to Season 3, Episode 15: Let That Be Your Last Battlefield
Yeah it’s a profoundly stupid take.
There’s the famous Whoopi Goldberg quote about how as a little kid she saw it with a black woman not beimg a maid and running around the house screaming about it in celebration
There’s the famous story about Nichelle Nichols wanting to quit to do plays until MLK jr told her that she needed to stay for black people everywhere to be represented as an equal member of the crew, and it was the only show he’d let his kids stay up late to watch.
From its inception it’s been “woke” by daring to put both a black woman and an asian man in roles where they were to be treated as equals and valued members of the group.
I’d like to add more examples, but it’s been so long since I’ve watched any star trek.
EDIT: I just remembered the not at all subtile jab at racism with the two guys that had half black half white faces.
Even into the later series, people had to fight to do interesting things with it. IIRC the network was skittish about Voyager because nobody would possibly be interested in a scifi show with a female lead.
DS9 has lots of stuff against racism, either with aliens or black people in time travel episodes. And the one where Quark transitions for an episode and it’s not just milked for laughs or similar, for the 90s that was handled pretty tactfully. lots of womens rights topics, especially with Ferengi.
And in a way that whole show was a critique of imperialism/colonialism
Another example : roddenbury wanted the 1st officer to be a woman on TOS, and shot the pilot with Majel Barret in the role, well before they were married. The studio shot it down and ordered a new pilot.
Conservatives do not understand subtext, satire, or allegory. They don’t assign what they like or don’t based on any meaningful understanding of the message it conveys. They get told what to like and believe by authority and follow it, constantly dismissing or dissonancing any message from what they consume that doesn’t align with their instilled beliefs.
@Zephorah And all of this is pretty obvious to anyone with their brain turned on. But even that seems a bridge too far for some.
I could drop all the acid in the world and still not come up with a take this fucking deranged.
@don Toxic masculinity is a helluva drug.
…Masculinity? This is bog standard “conformist imagining a we to be a part of”. It’s why the “moral majority” thing had the impact it did.
How delusional do you have to be to believe this?
Republican levels, so checks out?
This is hilarious to me so I looked up the original article and I am pretty sure that it is largely written by AI.
Also, not that it needs or deserves any kind of analysis, but the central premise (as much as I can decipher from all the ChatGPT fluff) appears to be: “Because Trekkies are conservative, Star Trek is doing everything it can to make men hate it.” which obviously makes no sense. Why would a company create a piece of media knowing it would be unpopular with it’s core demographic?
Anyway thanks for the laugh, OP.
@Kirk Gotta appreciate the thinly veiled “great fan replacement” theory. How very subtle. I’m sure the author (whoever that is) felt ever so witty.
Well the reasoning in the article has nothing to do with the audience being conservative. It’s: Star Trek has a mainly male audience. Males are conservative. Then they show some picture how males went more conservative some 50 years(!) after it aired… I’m speechless. Maybe AI “reasoning”. Or just very, very stupid.
It’s the stupid bit
Yeah, and super weird to write something like this about Star Trek of all the fiction out there. I can’t remember any episode where stupidity is portrayed as good or acceptable?! I mean the whole point of TOS is all the characters who are lined up on that picture, being clever in very different ways and combining that to have some fun in outta space…
Weird. My stay at home mom and favorite aunt watched it back when TVs had 5 stations on a dial. They introduced me, female, to it at a young age. None of us are Trump voters.
The only dislike expressed was for the Spock’s brain episode. They still talk about what a terrible episode they thought it was.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking? The wiki says it’s always been a diverse viewership with a slight skew to male.
Where is this article getting their demographic numbers, wishful thinking?
Oh don’t worry, it’s very scientific:
If you think I’m underestimating the number of Trek’s female viewers, scroll through the comments on any Star Trek-related content anywhere on the internet. Then count the number of female commenters. You’ll see a lot of guys named Steve, but you won’t see many Jennifers.
Consider yourself blessed to be unaware of the entire digital media ecosystem that targets insecure white men via their preferred fandoms and is dedicated to blaming women and minorities for their issues.
It seems the only data provided about the demographics and political leanings of the fandom are anecdotal accounts from social media. Do you think it ever occurred to the author that they might just have an algorithm that recognizes their preference for shitty content?
Kirk was kissing black ladies back when that was basically illegal. What the fuck is this? Don’t blame the “they put politics in my Trek” crowd on Trek crowd, man, those dudes were always just idiots.
Yeah conveniently the photo they chose left uhura out…
Probably just a coincidence
About that picture… Is that chief O’Brien?
Yes, it’s from Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
Wow lol
I should probably give DS9 another try
It’s great when it was on TV. I thought Sisko was a great, friendly, fatherly figure, and Odo and Quark were great fun.
After having seen some eps with my wife, and reading stuff on the wiki, fucking hell. Sisko is basically Douglas MacArthur, and takes picard’s “first duty of every starfleet officer is to the truth” speech and sees it as a personal challenge to defy it as hard has he can, while screaming “You betrayed your uniform!” to any maquis he sees.
Which, to be fair, the maquis are not in the right, but fucking whatever.
The charector arcs in the show are complex, especially for the early 90s. Sisko is largely an honorable man, but the nature of the roles he assumes strain him, force him in difficult directions.
The marquies in a lot of ways are personal to him. A dear friend defects to them early, and then he gets rolled later by others he trusts. He basically has direct bad blood with them.
Some of the other choices he makes? Fucked up, but to the shows credit, they lean into it and dont pretend hes the good guy when they happen.
Yes you should.
Yes. The character arcs are the best thus far. It’s less “police procedural” than the prior two. And Sisko is the best Captain.
Especially when the first season episodes open up with a story arc involving nationalism, immigration and xenophobia.
definitely. I also had a hard time starting it, but it gets really really good after the first couple episodes
The trouble with these Tribbles, they’re fuzzy and they’re cute but I can never find the hole.
I mean what?
It’s funny, i just watched this episode for the first time!
Yeah, they nabbed a screenshot from one of the best episodes of DS9
DO NOT look up screenshots of Terry Farrell in Trials and Tribble-ations if you are not prepared to immediately fall in love with her again
Yes. That’s from Deep Space Nine. S5E6 Trials and Tribbleations. A neat mashup that puts the DS9 crew into the original tribbles episode.
It’s from DS9’s Trials and Tribble-ations
Here’s Making of Deep Space Nine Season 5, Episode 6 “Trials and Tribble-ations”.
Don’t skip the commercials.
That’s the first thing I wondered
@PhilipTheBucket They get such a shallow understanding of things, and then get all butt hurt when other people provide a much more logical interpretation based on the specifically stated intents of the original show creators.
So…Republicans are fans of space communism?
Remember not so long ago when people noticed that Rise Against makes political songs? A lot of people are blind to stuff like this until you point it out.
Likewise with Rage Against The Machine
“What do you think is the machine they are raging against? The fucking printer?”
TBF, I do really hate my printer.
But what about… 35 pieces of flair?
My absolute favorite bit of social media was this instagram exchange. It just encapsulates so much that’s inherently stupid with it.
Mine was when, i don’t remember, speaker of the house ®?, said his favorite band was rage against the machine.
Like dude, those guys hate you.
As I recall the exchange, Paul Ryan said at one point that RATM was one of his favorite bands. Morello was asked about it in an interview, and said something to the effect of “He can like what he wants, but he’s part of the machine we’re raging against”
Bold of you to assume they know it’s space communism. If the boys is of any indication Star Trek needs to explicitly say “we’re space communism” for there to be a 50/50 chance of Republicans getting it.
@Archangel1313 Noooo, true ST is about straight manly men kicking alien butts!
Conservatives like Star Trek because it promotes the values of meritocracy, hierarchy, authority, and military discipline. None of these are commonly held by people in the American left (especially not the academic left, which tend to be pretty anti-hierarchical, anti-authoritarian).
The people usually referred to as Republicans these days are right-wing populists. They have very little in common with the types of conservatives who loved the franchise in the 20th century. Those older conservatives are almost extinct in the Republican Party today.
it promotes the values of meritocracy,
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None of these are commonly held by people in the American left
Troll or idiot?! Taking all bets! I also offer videoooo poookkeeer!
The right loves meritocracy. To them it means everyone got what they deserve, from the homeless to the billionaires.
Oh, is that why they kept ethnic minorities out of positions of power and established structures of “not what you know, but who you know” and established “legacy admissions” for the children of huge donors?
This is some spectacular persecution fetish, my god.
Tbh I think we need to accept that they’re so turned on by the idea that they’ve effectively given prior consent.
Yes, the true fans of the TV show about space communism and racial equality has always been
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Republicans?
I mean, a show like Star Trek couldn’t possibly do well pushing a progressive worldview, right? Definitely it would have to appeal to
bigotsconservatives, or it would tank. No progressiveness on Star Trek, no sir./s
I was only 14 when I put on my big boy pants and learned from the Bell Riots that socialism was bad and I will forever ignore the factors that create such mass unemployment.
Can’t tell if serious or sarcasm
@owenfromcanada These people have invested their entire identities in being miserable. Which ironic because ST is largely optimistic about the future.
