- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
The 21-country survey for the influential European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) thinktank also found that under Trump, the US is less feared by its traditional adversaries, while its allies – particularly in Europe – feel ever more distant.
The poll, of nearly 26,000 respondents in 13 European countries, the US, China, India, Russia, Turkey, Brazil, South Africa and South Korea, found majorities in almost every territory surveyed expected China’s global influence to grow over the next decade.
You must log in or register to comment.
I hope he will be remembered for the incompetent fascist he was
Well yeah. The pedophile doesn’t give a fuck about America or its people.
“L’etat, c’est moi.” (but this time he’s a rapist buffoon)
He has made the US the weakest it has been for a long time, probably the weakest it has ever been.
The US was already been past its peak as an Imperial Power since at least the 2008 Crash (though if you look at things like social mobility in the US, the seeds of it go all the way back to the 70s when the country started becoming ever less a “land of opportunity”), but Trump has definitelly accelerated the decay and by a huge factor.
That said, at some point a far-right populist portraying himself as “man of the people” and somebody who will “bring back national greatness” like Trump, getting power is historically pretty common in nation which have reached a peak of great power and started decaying from there - in other words, if it wasn’t Trump this time in the circle of prosperity and decay for the US would’ve delivered power to a similar character.
Reagan is the one who really started the downfall of the US. Killed the marginal tax rate and mental health care, among other things. Citizens United was the nail in the coffin.
Pretty much everything wrong with the country is a game of 6 degrees from Ronald Reagan.
But, but tariffs.
China is making China great. They’re proving to the rest of the world that their economic model is better than the West’s.
It’s why Americans need to artificially inflate the prices of EVs by restricting the sale of Chinese EVs in their country.
Everyone you see driving a Tesla is a moron who played right into the hands of their oligarchs.
their economic model is better than the West’s.
Policy. Their economic policy is better. Their government has some far-reaching strategies, creates comprehensive strategies to develop them, and maintains those policies consistently across many years. They effectively guide competition and long term vision into their market, just like any competent government ought to do
That’s also the biggest place we’re failing. Lack of vision, lack of strategy, no consistency. Even worse when your administration enriches themselves, plays favorites, outright takes bribes, holds themselves above the law, rules out of spite and personal feelings
Economically, yes.
Diplomatically, China is gaining a treasure from Trump’s agressive and unprincipled behaviour.
The US has been a preferred ally to cooperate with for many countries, and a safe haven for investing money for many decades - because the US was reliable, had independent courts and an independent central bank, and was considered a stable democracy despite the problems it had.
It was possible to rationally predict a US reaction to certain problems. The state seemed to have principles, and administrations seemed to listen to experts.
Now the choice is between a distant country unlikely to invade anywhere except its proximity (China), even if highly authoritarian - and an unstable democracy where experts are ignored and independent institutions subverted, and whose foreign policy follows no principles.
their economic model is better than the West’s.
There are many different economic models in “the westTM”, whatever you mean by that.
Man, I bought Tesla before Trump was elected… and I did that because in Europe there weren’t any alternative for that price… in evs
Everyone? I drive a Tesla sometimes because my sister’s leased Tesla is blocking my car in. Also she leased it before Musk was commonly known as a buffoon.
She’s been leasing it for over 7 years? 2018 is when he called the rescue diver for the kids in Thailand a pedophile because they turned down his submarine. He dropped his mask almost immediately after that.
I didn’t know you could sign lease terms that long
She’s getting ripped off. He made it obvious in 2018 when he called a rescue diver a pedophile. I’m sure a 7 year auto loan would have been much less.
buying a used tesla makes a lot of sense these days with everyone wanting to get rid of them
their economic model is better than the West’s.
Curious, how do you judge that? There are metrics like GDP, GDP per capita, currency exchange rate, etc but being able to compare those means having reliable numbers. AFAIK China stopped publishing some of those metrics and the exchange rate does not apply because the RMB is fixed. Going in countries themselves to “check” means little as you can walk through Potemkin villages.
I’m not saying you’re wrong only wondering how you reached that conclusion.
I gave an example with EVs. It’s still fairly new technology, but China has proven that they can make EVs better and cheaper than their Western counterparts. They can do this with fewer resources and lower GDP than the US and other Western nations.
The West has gotten bloated and complacent. All they do now is focus on funneling as much money as possible to oligarchs and grifters. They cannot compete anymore and EVs are a symptom of that reality.
That’s a specific technology with resources they have an advantage on with a very shaped market. They might very much dominate this market more and more (and arguably justified) yet I don’t think it’s correct to generalize from that example. Also cheaper is not a good metric when the country is known for having work camps or that underpricing a market is in itself a strategy.
Again I’m not trying to downplay the progress made there (because it is impressive) but I think when a comparison is made it has to be done properly. Here there are quite a few factors that make it difficult plus there is an extrapolation from an example that is not necessarily representative of a trend.
All that said this is no justifies problems in the West. Both can be true.
Notice how the EU just succumbed to lobbying from part of the European Auto Industry and cancelled the whole “ICE car sales ban from 2035” having even before that put extra tariffs on EV cars from China (so, not quite as extreme as the US, but none the less a caving to EU auto makers) to help big auto makers in Europe who refuse to transition to EVs (and this at a time where Diesel polution kills about 10,000 people a year in the EU, so they’re literally putting the interests of large auto makers over the lives of people).
You know what they could’ve done instead?
Subsidies for European auto manufactures with a large percentage of EV car sales relative to ICE cars (which, if high enough would mean lots of money for subsidizing smaller companies to grow and replace the larger ones if the large makers don’t increase their EV sales rather than keeping on extracting juicy margings from ICE SUVs).
The problem in Europe is political capture by dinossaur businesses which would rather make believe the next great Tech Revolution - around Renewables - isn’t happening and have pretty much bought politicians to make sure Europeans and smaller European companies can’t easilly benefit from it.
Europe has the Tech capability to go there but the current political structure (late stage Neoliberal Capitalism) were politicians mainly represent large economic interests (not only above citizens but even above small and mid-size businesses) means that at best politicians simply refuse to send serious money to forward-looking disruptive businesses or forcing the pricing-in of things like Environmental costs in products made by large companies, whilst at worst actually making laws to reduce everybody’s options to move away from buying the products of said large companies.
It might look as an economic and progress problem at first sight, but dive any further and you’ll see Economic options being shaped by Politics (in some cases simply by Politicians in Europe choosing “not to intervene in Markets” but only for markets dominated by big players, in other cases by making laws which de facto activelly obstruct adoption of improved Tech) and in turn Politics being shaped by Big Money.
I think the previous poster was absolutelly correct in their interpretation of the West’s problem in this as broader societal problems.
Mind you, I don’t even think that China’s political system is all that great - rather I think that in the present day the power structures in the West (more in the US, but also to quiet an extent in Europe) are actually hindering the moving forward even whilst there’s plenty of capability to do so (certainly in Europe which mainly has invested massivelly in things like Higher Education).
He was elected to make.israel great again. Anyone else being made great is accidental.
Also Russia.
The feels when you finally achieve your white christofascist ethnostate, but now you have to learn mandarin because you pissed away all of you international clout and soft power
The fall of empire is usually documented as stagnation. Trump seems to be trying to be the best in the world, ever, at speed running the end of an empire.
The fall of empires is often marked with the ruling class totally abandoning the working class, and believing in their own propaganda about themselves.
We’re at this stage. Even if the orange cunt dies tomorrow, the rest of the GOP is now just like him and has the same puppet masters.
We’re simply fucked. There’s no other way to look at it.
The hope I’m clinging to is that when Trump dies, there’s a battle for power that destroys the MAGA.
You’re still left with the oligarchs who think that 90% of people are useless to economic activity as they see it.
The only silver lining is the sheer staggering incompetency at every level
Fucking accelerationism. I live in a country thousands of miles away from California, and yet I am forced to watch the possible fall of a supposed superpower.
They’re not really ‘doing nothing’
Belt and Road is a LOT of work.
Yes, but it is not China that changed approach radically, it is the US that did…for the worse.
A lot of putting other countries in debt, while not helping them economically.
I am in the Philippines where, despite being a nominal ally of the US, we have more trade with China much more than the US but rather in a way completely displaces my country’s agricultural and industrial capacities, so as a result we are not only consuming Chinese goods as a cheap alternative to Western/Japanese/Korean goods but also locked into a rather vassal relationship (even after Duterte) where Xi feels like he can decide the fate of the Global South.
All the while the Mainland trying to claim all of a body of water mistakenly named for itself and literally taking it as a mark of ownership, which the sea-grab is what keeps Filipinos out of the Chinese stupor of a supposed “benevolent relationship”.
Don’t worry, in 20 years the US will be part of China too. US declares war with European countries, then gets into war with China, can’t fight 2 fronts. Like nazi Germany.
Makes sense where all the old movies depict mandarin as the main language in space and terra.
We’ll see how long that soft power thing lasts when they invade Taiwan. In the end global superpowers are nothing but the biggest bullies on this planet.
And who is going to care?
Did the EU care about Venezuela? No, only when they threaten Greenland.
Why would they rock the boat for Taiwan?
Maduro was hostile to the EU too. Why would the EU help a Russian ally to stay in power? Taiwan however is a friend.
But actually more important then that is that a lot of other countries dislike China and have territorial conflicts with them. India, Japan and the entire South China Sea conflict come to mind. They are all going to respond no matter what the US does. It is also unlikely to only be a kidnapping, but has to be a full invasion.
Why would the EU help a Russian ally
They could, to uphold UN rights.
America might once have cared to defend Taiwan, because the whole tech economy is powered by their chips. But the U.S. is so diminished, overextended, and chaotic that China clearly recognizes an opening.
I think Xi makes a move within the next two years.
Furthermore, Xi seeing that you can wreck foreign countries without consequences or accountability, he won’t think twice about international law when he feels to invade Taiwan.
Taiwan is China. It’s not international law that prevents him. Actually, other countries intervening is against international law.
EU doesn’t care that much about Greenland, either.
At this rate, they won’t have to. Taiwan will just surrender and Japan, Korea, Australia will sign broad trade deals with them over the psychotic-on-off US.
