If I based my esteem for things on how popular they are, I’d have never gotten into Star Trek. It was decidedly unpopular with my cohort at the time.
For what it’s worth I adore old school Trek. Just like I think it would be dumb to judge someone for being comfy or exuberant, I also wouldn’t judge someone for preferring a reserved demeanour like dear old Picard.
I also remember Geordi building model ships in engineering and running off to play with Data on the holodeck, so I don’t really see an incompatibility between the eras.
I mean, look at this scene. Is it really that far off from Tilly dropping her enthusiastic F bombs?
EDIT: I apologize. This was a bit snarkier in tone than I intended, and probably escalated conversations in ways that I shouldn’t have. A more civil way to put it is I disagree on the standard of “seriousness” ascribed to the earlier Star Trek series; take the Riker maeuver, for instance.
Red Letter Media just had a video about how Kurtzman Trek people who point to that DS9 scene overtly never saw that episode and looked up “silly Trek Scene” on Google. Same applies to your other gifs, tbh. You have overtly never seen these episodes. I don’t see why you kids even bother arguing. You won. All 3000 of you get to enjoy Vampire Diaries in space while millions of old men weep…
Complaining about “kids these days ruining Star Trek” is just sad, Bud. If you can’t engage with people on here without insulting them based on an assumed trait, kindly find another place to talk about Trek.
And, just so we’re clear, I’m old enough that I’ve been watching Trek since before TNG was in production, and my favourite episodes have always been the silly ones.
Remember when Kirk and Spock went to the gangster planet, and Kirk got really into the role?
Remember when Worf, Alexander, and Troi were trapped on the holodeck populated by western archetypes that all had Data’s face and abilities, including the busty saloon madame? Talk about fully functional.
Remember when, in the middle of a war with an existential threat, the crew of DS9 stopped to play baseball against Sisko’s academy bully?
Remember when the Doctor started day dreaming, including improvising an opera about how Tuvok was overtaken by the pon’farr, and the potato shaped aliens using him to spy on the crew thought everything he was imagining was real?
Remember almost every holodeck, Ferengi, mirror universe, or Lawaxana Troi episode? Star Trek can be deep and serious and meaningful, but it can also be very, very silly. And that’s awesome.
It is sad. Kurtzman ruined a franchise that is probably doomed to be discontinued imminently for lack of interest. If you can’t tell the difference between moments of levity in Berman Trek and the tone issue in Kurtzman Trek…
That episode’s tone is more horror than anything else. It’s the application of something childish as something unsettling, like Children of The Corn or Weapons. It is decidedly NOT the same tone as Tig Notaro being whacky.
lol. You out yourself by citing Red Letter Media as if that is anything to take seriously other than a source of potential mis/disinformation on any given topic.
I’ve been watching Trek since TOS was in first run. I’ve actually worked with real life military.
Your attitude and comments strongly suggest you have neither experience.
Current Star Trek is in no way less credible than the franchise was in any previous era of production. Yes, it’s making different choices for a different generation of audience but on balance it’s just as authentic.
“The Magicians in Space”, “Vampire Diaries in Space”, “Gossip Girl in Space”, you’ve got a million of these. I’d have trouble naming so many shows I don’t like. I forget about them pretty quickly because I just stop watching them and never engage with their fandom.
If I based my esteem for things on how popular they are, I’d have never gotten into Star Trek. It was decidedly unpopular with my cohort at the time.
For what it’s worth I adore old school Trek. Just like I think it would be dumb to judge someone for being comfy or exuberant, I also wouldn’t judge someone for preferring a reserved demeanour like dear old Picard.
I also remember Geordi building model ships in engineering and running off to play with Data on the holodeck, so I don’t really see an incompatibility between the eras.
I mean, look at this scene. Is it really that far off from Tilly dropping her enthusiastic F bombs?
https://youtu.be/Lr64khTqyYQ
If you can’t see how Kurtzman Trek is vastly crasser and dumber than Berman Trek, I don’t know what to tell you.
Which one is curling up in a comfy chair with a good book? Crass or dumb?
It’s deeply unserious.
EDIT: I apologize. This was a bit snarkier in tone than I intended, and probably escalated conversations in ways that I shouldn’t have. A more civil way to put it is I disagree on the standard of “seriousness” ascribed to the earlier Star Trek series; take the Riker maeuver, for instance.
Ah, yes, Star Trek, the “dead serious” show.
Red Letter Media just had a video about how Kurtzman Trek people who point to that DS9 scene overtly never saw that episode and looked up “silly Trek Scene” on Google. Same applies to your other gifs, tbh. You have overtly never seen these episodes. I don’t see why you kids even bother arguing. You won. All 3000 of you get to enjoy Vampire Diaries in space while millions of old men weep…
Complaining about “kids these days ruining Star Trek” is just sad, Bud. If you can’t engage with people on here without insulting them based on an assumed trait, kindly find another place to talk about Trek.
And, just so we’re clear, I’m old enough that I’ve been watching Trek since before TNG was in production, and my favourite episodes have always been the silly ones.
Remember when Kirk and Spock went to the gangster planet, and Kirk got really into the role?
Remember when Worf, Alexander, and Troi were trapped on the holodeck populated by western archetypes that all had Data’s face and abilities, including the busty saloon madame? Talk about fully functional.
Remember when, in the middle of a war with an existential threat, the crew of DS9 stopped to play baseball against Sisko’s academy bully?
Remember when the Doctor started day dreaming, including improvising an opera about how Tuvok was overtaken by the pon’farr, and the potato shaped aliens using him to spy on the crew thought everything he was imagining was real?
Remember almost every holodeck, Ferengi, mirror universe, or Lawaxana Troi episode? Star Trek can be deep and serious and meaningful, but it can also be very, very silly. And that’s awesome.
It is sad. Kurtzman ruined a franchise that is probably doomed to be discontinued imminently for lack of interest. If you can’t tell the difference between moments of levity in Berman Trek and the tone issue in Kurtzman Trek…
What is your evidence that Trek is doomed?
Also, if you don’t like the shows currently being produced, is it really that sad?
“Alla maraine! Count to four! Alla maraine, then three more! Alla maraine, then you’ll see. Alla maraine, you’ll come with me!”
That episode’s tone is more horror than anything else. It’s the application of something childish as something unsettling, like Children of The Corn or Weapons. It is decidedly NOT the same tone as Tig Notaro being whacky.
lol. You out yourself by citing Red Letter Media as if that is anything to take seriously other than a source of potential mis/disinformation on any given topic.
I’ve been watching Trek since TOS was in first run. I’ve actually worked with real life military.
Your attitude and comments strongly suggest you have neither experience.
Current Star Trek is in no way less credible than the franchise was in any previous era of production. Yes, it’s making different choices for a different generation of audience but on balance it’s just as authentic.
Those choices are attracting an exponentially smaller audience, but like I said, you won, go enjoy Gossip Girl in space, its your franchise now.
“The Magicians in Space”, “Vampire Diaries in Space”, “Gossip Girl in Space”, you’ve got a million of these. I’d have trouble naming so many shows I don’t like. I forget about them pretty quickly because I just stop watching them and never engage with their fandom.
Something to consider.