Well sounds like the Democratic leadership to aggressively court disgruntled voters and listening and addressing their concerns is off to a great start with this.

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      I dunno, even if they aren’t, they are so ineffective that they kinda are doing that anyway

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        When you’ve got one side that mostly follows the rules and one side that mostly cheats, the side that cheats will usually win.

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          But the side that mostly follows the rules is also just handing the cheating side unearned Victoria over and over again.

          Scummer is rolling over on his already shitty appeasement offer.

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            Shumer’s perspective is to try and get what he realistically can get. He could stand his ground and say “defund ICE” but it would have 0% chance of success. He believes if he can negotiate and get even 1 of 10 requests fulfilled, then that is better than nothing. With Republicans having the government trifecta, there is little leverage to get any concessions.

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              No, it’s not his perspective. He’s not fighting for Us. He’s an awful fucking negotiator. He gives his “final offer” as his opening bid, then continues to negotiate against himself from there.

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                He gives his “final offer” as his opening bid, then continues to negotiate against himself from there.

                Normally I would agree with you, but shooting high with demands largely just leaves the right being unwilling to even talk about negotiating. This is what they did with the original 10 demands Democrats made.

                https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/ridiculous-republicans-reject-dems-10-demands-for-dhs-reforms

                Proposals put forward have to be tempting enough to pull individual Republicans to negotiate.

                He thinks he’s safe from the jackboots.

                He’s gotten multiple threats on his life including bomb threats to his office in December. He is very aware he isn’t safe.

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                  Threats from the rabble is different than the paramilitary rolling up at his door in the middle of the night

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          Most of the Dems aren’t really trying to follow rules or not tho. They’re just kinda sitting there watching it all happen.

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            Realistically what do they have the power to do that they aren’t doing? Republicans have control of the House, Senate, Judiciary and 27 state governorships.

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              Realistically what do they have the power to do that they aren’t doing?

              Off the top of my head: Not support the funding of the Gestapo. That would be an excellent place to start.

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                Okay, let’s say they stand their ground and say “zero DHS funding”. They don’t have the votes to stop it and it gets funded anyway, right?

                BUT, if they can negotiate to give something to peel off a few Republican votes in exchange for things like investigations into the killings of Good and Pretti, body cams on ICE, and no face masks for ICE? Isn’t that better than nothing?

                Disagree all you want about it tactically, but at least you recognize the logic, right?

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                  If Republicans have the votes without democrats they’re not going to negotiate concessions anyway.

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                    If you can strip away a handful of Republican votes by appealing to their morals or negotiating over ancillary matters (we will support your unrelated pet project if you vote with us).

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              No facts or historical perspective here, only “both sides same” on .world

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      Even if they aren’t controlled opposition and just completely incompetent, worthless, hypocritical assholes, their actions results in the same so F these guys.

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            Israel is explicitly a Jewish ethnostste and claims to be the homeland of all Jews. That link is literally in Israel’s founding documents. You might as well complain about linking the Vatican to Catholicism.

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              Israel is explicitly a Jewish ethnostste and claims to be the homeland of all Jews

              25% of Israel is not Jewish. The land is also sacred to other faiths.

              You might as well complain about linking the Vatican to Catholicism.

              If the Pope started killing residents of Rome and expanding the Vatican into Borgo then I would blame the Pope, not Catholics in general.

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                25% of Israel is not Jewish. The land is also sacred to other faiths.

                The Knesset is majority Jewish, the cabinets are almost exclusively Jewish ministers, and of course there is PM Netanyahu. He rew is the country’s official language and almost 80% of Israeli Jews think Jewish citizens deserve preferential treatment over citizens of other religions.

                https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-israels-jewishness-is-overtaking-its-democracy/

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                  Again you are being antisemitic by trying link Judaism to a genocidal regime. The people in power in Israel are not monsters because they are Jewish.

                  Most Jews do not live in Israel and are not killing Palestinians.

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                    Like it or not the regime claims to represent Judaism. I don’t blame non-Israeli Jews for what Israel does any more than I blame the average Palestinian for what Hamas did.

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            That has been the position of nearly every US politician in both parties for the last 40 years. He also calls for a real ceasefire and a two party state, recognizing Palestine has just as much right to statehood as Israel.

            Meanwhile when Trump was asked if it’s his job to uphold the Constitution, he said " I don’t know".

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                Fo now we all have exactly two choices: Democrats or Republicans. Shumer or Trump. Any third option is an illusion or a lie.

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                  So Shumer can’t be held accountable for his actions? Why is he being granted a stranglehold on the Democrats instead of being replaced?

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                    I don’t think replacing Shumer would change anything. What actions did he take that weren’t fully supported by the majority of the party? His replacement would likely be Corey Booker, Amy Klobuchar, or someone similar.

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            By your logic, AIPAC is running the government based on how much they donate. If you are being logically consistent then you should also believe realtors are running the country.

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                The Nazis killed hundreds of thousands of my people. I am the farthest from a bootlicker as you can get. Keeping the center left and the far left fighting is exactly what the Nazis want, because we can’t beat them unless we fight together.

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                  Hundreds of thousands? Last time I checked they killed millions, and before the nazis, the Russians killed hundreds of thousands of, supposedly, OUR people. I doubt you are a jew because most of us can accurately describe how many were murdered. Like Isreal murders Palestinians, who are also semites. How does the boot taste?

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                    Millions total, but hundreds of thousands of my ancestors. Everyone knows about the Jewish victims of the Holocaust but people forget about the gypsies.

                    And yes Israel murdered and is still murdering Palestinians. I’m not a fan of apartheid ethnoststes no matter who is running them.

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              …they kinda fucking are lmfao. Realtors play a role in property ownership. They benefit from things like… wealthy people buying real estate to rent out.

              Anyway. Let’s not act like publicly visible donations are (the government of) Israel’s only vector for bribing and influencing US politicians.

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                Lol, you’re right about the wealthy hoarding land. My point is that it would sound weird to say “the government is run by big realty!”

                It’s true that there is a lot of dark money, but by definition that is nearly impossible to attribute a source. All we can do is speculate.

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      No, proven fact. Proven again and again and again.

      What is preventing you from knowing what your eyes can see?

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        The Washington Generals were controlled opposition for the Harlem Globetrotters. They never actually tried to win.

        Democrats do try to win and succeed about half the time. What my eyes see is that Republicans don’t want Democrats around to stop them from enacting more fascist policies. Democrats so far are one of the only major obstacles to that end.

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          If that obstacle is a speed bump that just lies there while it’s rolled over then sure.

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              Well they could have held up funding the budget, easily. They had that power and they pissed it away for nothing.

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                Well they could have held up funding the entire budget, easily.

                You mean through government shut down? That has consequences. People that depend on government benefits lose their support. Government workers can’t pay their rent/mortgage. Meanwhile the Republicans will steal funding from wherever to make sure ICE doesn’t miss a dime. Is that worth the sacrifice? It’s easy to say yes when you aren’t the one making that sacrifice.

                They could also constantly bring up impeachment votes for trump and his appointees to get the republicans on camera backing unpopular actions up.

                There is a fundamental thing about the MAGA mindset that we all need to understand. When Republicans get caught lying, cheating, and stealing they DONT CARE. They assume all politicians do this regardless of party. It is irrelevant as long as the politician pushed the policies they want. GOP support of Trump didn’t drop a bit during either impeachment (and in fact went up following the first one).

                I see pro AIPAC stuff

                No you don’t. You see anti-blaming-the-jews stuff. It’s probably been months but I’ve argued heavily in the past for an independent Palestinian state and for Israel to stop it’s genocide.

                You see me as running interference for failure, but I see you and others as visualizing success that simply isn’t possible in the real world. Republicans control all three branches of the government and the President has his own personal army bent on installing their fascist dictator. The idea that show impeachment trials or protest votes are going to make any difference is laughable.

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      If you don’t have at least one of the phrases “controlled opposition” or “manufactured consent” in your comment, you’re not really a good bootlicker for left-wing authoritarians.

      In b4 “All authoritarians are right-wing” and “No True Communist” objections.