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Over my cold, dead hands. Fuck you and your shitty worldview,
I wonder, is hatred of advertising a common thing for folks with ADHD? They take away something you are giving your attention to because it interests you, and shove some other crap in your face just so serve their own interests.
I remember being enraged at the scheduled commercial breaks in the '80s and '90s. The only benefit they had was that I always knew which segment of the show I was in and therefore right what time it was.
But now? It is so much damn worse and the normies just seem more OK with it than ever. in just remind myself they are living in a society that conditions them to accept it and gives them a thousand more serious things to worry about.
I have wasted so much of my life watching adverts. I am absolutely over it and I get agitated if I watch them now. I cancel any streaming service that tries to force them on me and I am relying more and more on Plex/Jellyfin. I am not going to waste any more of my life watching marketing lies.
Combo of ADHD and living through the 2000s with Internet Explorer where ads often installed malware and viruses. If you DIDN’T use an Ad Blocker you were playing a game of Russian Roulette every time you opened a web page.
Popups, pop unders, blaring audio, malware, slow page loads…ads a scourge.
I hate it because it’s an unethical practice to manipulate or mislead and all modern advertising uses dark patterns to try to get you to overconsume.
The ADHD distress is just another side effect of all that
That’s me too, an effect of Justice Sensitivity, a common trait among both ADHD and autistic people. Before I knew that I was both, I used to tell people that I was allergic to advertising, to convey my feelings about it.
Dismissing righteousness as “justice sensitivity” is absolutely tragic to me. You’re right to feel that way, don’t change. The problem is with the system, not you. Applying a medical perspective is stigmatizing and self defeating. Your reaction is real, valid, and a far more sane response to these conditions than acceptance
“it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a sick society”
I wasn’t trying to dismiss anything. Just pointing out that it’s a commonly observed trait in ADHD people. It’s a scientific perspective to notice that people with certain neurologies tend to exhibit certain behaviors more often than people with other neurologies. It’s not stigmatizing unless you are both generalizing and value judging.
It’s a dehumanizing perspective to categorize experience by “neurologies” and look for problems at an individual rather than systemic level. You don’t have “justice sensitivity”, you’re aware of overwhelming injustice. That’s a good thing. Act on it.
The problem is malvertising and tracking. Despite Google’s best efforts, ads that deploy malware still exist, and so does ads that track what page/site you’re on to profile you.
Lol normies couldn’t care less about serious things, they are more worried about petty interpersonal nonsense, like how others perceive them and conspicuous consumption
Who the fuck is still using Chrome?!
Oh, you know. Just 3.6 billion fucking people (73% of web users). But definitely not you and me. I’ve been on Firefox since 1.0 (2004) and switched to Librewolf a few years ago when Mozilla lost it.
While we are making recommendations use IronFox for Android. Also, blah, blah, blah, Linux better, blah blah.
The ad company hates ad blockers. Whoda thunk it? Also, don’t let web browser engines become a monoculture. We went through this shit with Internet Explorer. We know where this leads.
The biggest issue is that making a browser from scratch takes a lot of resources. It’s not cheap and takes a long time.
We essentially have Chrome and Firefox now. And Firefox is starting to enshitify.
We desperately need a third browser.
It’s happening, it’s just taking a little time.
Also, even though everyone is probably aware of it, Ladybird.
Even if they manage the compatibility, extensions are a big factor.
Bitwarden, adblock, sponsor block, multi account containers, libredirect… Without those, I don’t think I would adopt.
All of these are pretty “enthusiast/tinkerer” stuff. Some rando that doesnt use these also won’t be touching servo or ladybird basically ever. I think they would get adapted pretty fast for use among “us”.
Not to mention googles continued attempts to enforce standards that essentially amount to a whitelist to freeze out any possible competition.
Plus firefox mostly exists because google pays them, probably so there’s no anti-trust action against them.
Google pays them the make Goigle the default search engine.
Most of the time I dont see any ads on YT and I watch a lot of content there. It’s getting harder to not get ads there on all my devices but it’s doable.
But when I go see my parents, I use their smartTV to watch YT. And I realize how horrible the experience is with all the interruptions and the impossibility to just focus on what you are watching.
And yesterday I got multiple time ads for a crypto scam called Ryxero or something. The scam was using AI clones of Bernard Arnault, a french billionaire, pretending you could win 1000€ a day…
The scam also had deepfakes of news outlets pretending that people in France were “queuing to ATM” to get their money…
I think it’s absolutely unacceptable that YT let them serve crypto scams to millions in complete impunity.
I will try to report the scam to authorities. I also reported it to YT but I dont expect them to act. The 3mn long ad was paid by an american business called “EX” which I think serves their scam abroad through YT in complete impunity.
For me the scam and AI clones is obvious but how many got scammed with the complicity of YouTube ? Hundreds ?
BTW you can/should install an alternative YT frontend on smart TVs, if you want to watch YT and are forced to use a smart TV. Even something semi-suitable like Pipepipe will do, but there are also frontends more suited for TV use, e.g. SmartTube
Watching TV of any kind at other people’s homes, and especially my parents’ place, can feel like some real black mirror shit.
We find everything we need on Tubi and Mubi…
Didn’t even notice them trying. Pathetic.
Let’s be honest: The internet without adblock is unusable. I really do not know how all those people without adblock are doing that.
Some sites, particularly ones that serve up questionable things like torrents or roms, are horrible without ad blockers.
well that’s why most people use apps instead. the real internet is so hostile without a guide.
especially now that you can’t use the mainstream browsers and do it. the barrier to entry has gotten so high that i don’t blame kids for being put off by computers and prefering their phones for everything.
it reminds me of trying to learn about cars growing up. i didn’t learn about cars growing up. i tried, but everyone i tried to learn from spent the whole time complaining about all the anticonsumer practices that made cars shitty these days. all the hoops you have to jump through to work on them yourself anymore. how the manufactures went out of their way over the course of years to take what used to be a fun tinkerers hobby for the everyman and made it incredibly difficult and expensive to do yourself.
my take away was “I hate cars”. so when i hear teenagers these days say that they hate computers i get it. they fucking suck now and there’s this 8 foot fence of knowing how to make them suck less before they can even start wanting to learn about them. but it’s going to take them a very very long time to get good enough with the computer that they can accomplish anything on it better than on their phone. so we have trucks full of ladders that can scale that fence, and even if we lose our fences we know how to scale that fence barehanded if we gotta. but the kids just walk around the fence because they don’t value what’s inside. why would they?
so I’m just waiting for the old pc based intent to slowly wither away as we age with it… places like this becoming out last bastions in a world that requires validated apps on phones.
Do people mostly use apps instead? I don’t really get that perception, but also everyone in my family basically hates tiktok, facebook, instagram, twitter and other social media sites on principle. My apps are basically 2FAs, email, chats, and tools, but the vast majority of my time on my phone is in Firefox.
Yes. As someone in High School my peers have no idea whats happening while using a computer and none of them hate that they need to install a bajillion apps for the dumbest stuff. They just do it and keep the apps, even if they legit use it once a year.
Basically none of them know what a folder is, that there are actual files inside their phone/computer. When I’m doing tech support I can’t say “open the files app/file explorer and go to x folder” I need to hold their hand through it all “take your mouse here on this icon, click on this, drag and drop this here…” and silently facepalm when they can’t drag and drop… Or I make them press keyboard shortcuts that does it for them. Many of them refer to any kind of sideloading/piracy as “installing an apk/installing as an apk” even on iPhones and computers.
I really really believe that mine and the following generations are substantially more tech illiterate than previous ones. Like of course they dont all need to be tech savvy but my dad or my 50 year old teachers know how to open folder or drag and drop and I can just say it as is to them and they will do it fine, maybe after a 2-3 second wait. Can’t do that to my peers. They exclusively know how to “use” phones to scroll the social medias, take photos, text and such.
yes, the vast majority of web traffic is phones using apps. no person that uses this platform is an average user.
even if your family hates tiktok it’s still massively popular.
especially among the youth who probably only have a really shitty locked down chromebook from their school and the recently developing world. in the global south most people never got a decent computer. they all got phones instead. once you’re on a phone everything pushes you towards apps.
No seriously though. Was using managers laptop very briefly, and needed to look up some instructions. No adblock, Google Chrome default browser, etc. The websites were almost unreadable. Giant video ads in top and bottom corners, big thick flashing distracting ads on all sides making the readable area a little bigger than a postage stamp. Genuinely how do people browse the Internet like this?
something something when all you know is the farm
Kinda reminds my of my 2010 Toshiba laptop touchpad. The pad was probably 2 inches wide and 1.6 inches tall, and it had special “quick zones” setup in each corner, and then scroll zones on the bottom and right side, and then “back” and “forward” zones at the top, and a window switch zone on the left. When you subtracted all the “reserved” space on the touchpad, the actual useable area was slightly larger than the top of my thumb… And gestures and tap to click was on by default. I don’t know who tested that and was like “yeah, that’s useable” but seriously, WTF dude.
I see people who put zero effort into ad-blocking in a similar light as people who don’t leave shitty partners. At some point they manage to convince themselves that it’s not a problem.
Don’t forget that most people don’t know that blocking ads is possible. To most people, their browser is on an appliance, like a washing machine or fridge. They know how to do the basics, but that’s about it.
Some even LIKE the ads.
I’m pretty sure I’ve clicked im like 3 ads in my life accidentally. But I saw people actively clicking in ads on purpose regularly and that shit shocked me completely. People don’t look at it as malware and phishing links lime I do and think it’s a good thing. Internet was a mistake.
I’ve heard the phrase “I saw an ad on Instagram for…” way too many fucking times.
I used to click on ads when they were hosted by Project Wonderful. :( Shit was amazing. I even hosted some back in the day.
So I’m not trying to be contrary… but who is using their browser on an appliance?! Certainly not ‘most people’?
I would agree that there is a general ignorance of adblockers but there’s no way most people are using browsers on appliances…
I believe he meant “people use their browser like they use an appliance” as in they don’t know any details about it, just open it and use it as is.
What? Nobody’s using their browser on an appliance (except for a handful of masochists with Samsung fridges). I said to most people their browser is on an appliance, as in they treat computers, phones, and laptops like appliances, in that they’re mysterious boxes that do a particular job.
Hardly anyone is trying to hack their appliances, and the majority of people just lump their computing devices into the same category - it does what it was designed for and nothing else
Haha, clearly a misunderstanding then… I think the ‘on an appliance’ part did it! In any case we seem to agree!
I have got a mental picture of a Linux super nerd trying to browse through a text only browser on their oven’s display now though 😁
A computer is an appliance. In the strictest sense of the word.
Just like I treat my car and for other that’s offensive because a car is a passion project. I can imagine the parallels.
Similar light? Go get some fresh air. It’s just a bunch of ads, the worst are avoidable if you don’t visit clickbait sites.
All of them are avoidable if you block them.
Found the person who needs to leave their partner.
rekt
Mainstream sites have been known to spread malware due to the lack of vetting process they go through.
But really, it’s just an a bit of malware, you slipped and clicked it yourself, your ads didn’t do anything.
Or who do so little cleaning at home that their appartment becomes almost unusable or outright dangerous to live in
It’s genuinely insufferable. I have plenty of ad block on my pc but little on my phone. When I’m doing stuff on my phone it’s sometimes impossible to navigate certain news sites or watch videos because of all the fucking ads.
I use NextDNS for my phone (pihole in my house) as the service can block ads on any device. I think I pay $20/y for it, and that’s worth it to me.
If you have Android, you can install Firefox and use uBlock Origin there. It’s awesome :)
AdGuard works well,l on Android, as well as Vivaldi or Brave with their in-built adblockers.
Firefox on android works well too! I use it instead of a lot of apps (including the other place…ugh…)
I prefer not to use Firefox
You’d rather use brave?
Of course. I actually use it.
Seconding Ad Guard and Firefox with uBlock origin, that’s what I use and I see minimal ads unless ad guard isn’t running
What browser/OS? There are many options on mobile, from extensions to system wide DNS blocking.
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I think people are using the world wide web less now and much differently. Most people don’t browse websites like going to ESPN.com or newgrounds or something. Problem use apps now and only a select few for that matter.
My wife can’t even find her safari browser in her iPhone which she’s glued to most of the day. For her is 90% email and 10% tiktok.
If you ever use the web without an adblocker you see why people have such a hard time with it and why apps took over. It’s almost entirely unusable except for some of the data farming social media sites (which also try to funnel you to their apps).
Better be. Also, fuck chrome.
If you dont have an adblocker… you’re guaranteed to get that fake “Virus found” notification from a website that has bad ads.
I can’t think of a single reason why I would want or need a website to be able to send me notifications. Whomever invented that is on my time machine list, just after the guy who made webpage elements move around right before you click them.
Can’t believe the world we live in. Everyone knows google and meta are f’ing up the internet yet they posted massive record profits.
Trumps name is in Epstein file. There’s pics video audio of him grabbing women and yet he’s the president.
Companies like Tesla and big banks pay 0 federal tax and yet they are operational.
Social media has literally brainwashed people and they will destory themselves and their kids future.
you can say “fuck” on this website, it’s okay.
Oh didn’t know that.! Thanks.
Faaaaaaaaaacccccckkkkkk!!
I am honestly sad and sick of the sheer volume of ads, well, everywhere and in everything. Internet, tv, even in the real world you are bombarded by ads from every angle. Every time any free app or service gains traction, boom, there are ads now.
It is absolutely unavoidable, even when using adblock and similar services, and what is even worse is that this doesn’t even feel like marketing now, but just a coercion tactic to force you to subscribe to “premium”, because the ads do not really often feel like trying to sell you something but just annoy the hell out of you.
I am just so tired of it…
I am honestly sad and sick of the sheer volume of ads, well, everywhere and in everything. Internet, tv, even in the real world you are bombarded by ads from every angle. Every time any free app or service gains traction, boom, there are ads now.
Capitalists: BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY BUY
Me: With what money???
Literally though! This is literally the entire reason I got fed up with ads! What’s the point if I’m too poor to buy the junk they’re hawking?!
even in the real world you are bombarded by ads from every angle
I despise the digital billboards that now litter highways and roads that gets congested during rush hours. And especially at night when they just ignore brightness laws and blinding everyone and endangering drivers.
Digital billboards suck, but everyone using those obnoxious, bright-ass LED headlights is way worse.
And gas station ads, especially ones on max volume. Obnoxious ads blaring so loud that even if you sit in your car you can still hear them very loudly.
Depending on the model of the pump, you can usually turn off the sound with one of the buttons on the right. The ones I have seen have four buttons on each side, and the second or third (or maybe bottom? I forget) button on the right will at least mute the ad. It’s worth a shot. It’s so obnoxious, it’s almost worth soaking it in gasoline.
Several gas stations have disabled the mute button at least in my area.
I’m so glad all the pumps that do that shit around me have a very large ‘<- MUTE’ sticker next to that button. I’ve gotten in the habit of just mashing that button as the gas starts flowing so I don’t have to hear that bullshit.
I’ve been meaning to learn how to sabotage the pump to get the ads to not even play. It’s on the list of anarchist things to do.
If google really wanted to, they can. But if you’re so against ads, what’s the point in showing them? Leaving a mechanism to block ads with default being with ads is net positive for google. Now, something like AdNauseum is what hurts google
Is there a way to block youtube ads on the tv? I have an android tv and using the youtube app is painfull… :-(
I don’t think so, since YouTube runs their ads from the same servers as the videos. You need to use an alternate front end that doesn’t serve ads to begin with. One thing I used to do too was run a VPN on my router in Japan, so I would get Japanese ads instead. There were way fewer ads, I would have no idea what they were advertising, and the few ads I would get were way more entertaining.
This is the solution. I’ve been using it for a couple of years, no ads, and almost no segways either.
this + remapping the remote youtube button seems to be the solution.
Thanks!
You need firefox with ublock.
pi-hole may be what you’re gunning for.
That’s via DNS, right? If so i don’t think it will work, i’m using https://nextdns.io/ with lots of block lists and it doesn’t work.
Depends on your implementation. It does need some tweaking and using the logs to add more crap to the block list.
My company forced us to use only Chrome on our PC’s and one of the things I was worried about was the ads. I put youtube in the background while I work.
And I was surprised by how… My experience was exactly the same as Firefox and Brave. Ok, actually, one or two ads managed to slip through and appeared in the front page - albeit rarely and randomly - but I never got those ads at the beginning of the video. On other websites, I never got ads.
I was wondering, then, if there was some catch. Maybe the trackers would still get through or something. But according to that link, not even that? lol
I’m surprised by these results tbh. And it seems for most people there is no big difference. But I do think for power users the catch is still there.
Lazaros Papadopoulos, research assistant at Goethe University, told The Register in an email that the study used the default filter sets for the respective ad blocking extensions in order to mimic the behavior of the typical user and to ensure rule consistency.
They used the default rule sets. One of the major limitations of mv3 iirc is the number of block list urls you can have. Like I’ve added a number of additional items to block via additional lists which I believe is mostly not possible in mv3.
