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We all may feel some impulse to act, even violently, but have a great feeling of uncertainty because there are no leaders. We need direction based off of game theory, or something. We need strategies that are surgical, because be real — we are outgunned. Yes, there are gun owners on the left, but come on, you know who has the lion’s share. Not only that, but we are different in that we hesitate to harm, because it’s the last thing we want. My dad kills animals for pleasure, but I do not. Also, if you aren’t armed now, you better do so immediately, because the gun nuts are not going to blink an eye when we are inevitably denied access.
We need real strategy. Daggers in a select few hearts may be enough to shift things.
Are there organizations or groups that do this? They would have to do it in secret, so how could we know? So it seems we’d have to assume we couldn’t know and form our own? Honestly, please clue me in!
Just gonna float the idea out there that you should assume that everything you do online or via a cell phone can be and is being watched. For all those privacy minded folks out there, take a hint from Goodfellas and don’t ever talk over the phone about anything you want to keep private (unless you can find a payphone, I guess). That goes doubly so for internet forums.
I’ve been saying this for years. We need a Jesus or MLK like character to come in and lead. The majority of people on both the right and left agree on pretty much everything. It’s the talking heads that divide us. I’ve worked in blue collar and white collar environments and I’ve gotten along with everyone, even though some blue collar people have very backwards beliefs. They aren’t actually bad people, they’re just extremely gullible.
There are millions of people ready to act on both sides they just need someone to inspire them. We need someone who can unite both sides against the true enemy. Until we have someone who can speak on all levels and inspire both the left and the right we are fucked.
Another problem is that people that are naturally talented or charismatic or driven are called tryhards. We berate talented people and we bring them down to our level. I’ve seen it happen so many times. There’s a reason we don’t see inspirational and awe-inspiring people as often as we used to. Unless the person is born in a upper class family and grew up very privileged, there’s very little chance we’ll find someone charismatic and talented enough to lead.
the old guard dnc pretty much sided with the gop with respect to ice, and likely future rulings. you wont be able to respond to violence by facist with “peaceful protests”
I’m very surprised that no one answer, but someone should. Alas, I haven’t any idea on what to tell you. Maybe I need to read more theory, I guess.
If a video appears to show something then it shows something, right? Am I crazy? If a video shows something then it automatically appears to show it, right?
Am I talking nonsense, or is this just another case of the media sanewashing what is obviously a fascist crackdown on the citizenry?
Sometimes there’s room for doubt about what a video shows, because it’s unclear. Sometimes there’s ambiguity because context is relevant and not present in the video. But this video is clear and no context could possibly redeem what we see. This is a gang of terrorist thugs once again murdering an innocent and not peaceful person in broad daylight, as part of the Nazi regimes goal of crushing the American people into submission through terror.
Nah man, I get where you’re coming from. Adding that “allegedly” vibe can inappropriately sow doubt. The annoying part is it’s probably a liability thing.
As if the media is ever properly held liable for such wrongdoings…
This all happened in one year. This isn’t going to deescalate.
Before the 2024 election Mary Trump said that if he got reelected the American experiment would be over, and that prediction’s not looking good at this point.
I just keep watching these videos and thinking about how insane it is that a life was taken so quickly. I know that is the nature of the world, and things can change in an instant. But it seems so surreal to watch.
Renee Good was smiling at a man and deescalating a situation, that was the last thing she knew before a bullet. Now Alex Pretti was defending a woman from being shoved to the ground and before that woman could even steady herself again he was beaten and killed.
Fuck, it’s so pathetic that these losers have that kind of power over life. Trump, Noem, and Bovino (and every other rat bastard in the administration) have given the unhinged bullies a license to kill. I look forward to the day that these assholes hang for their crimes. Tell the people you care about that you love them.
They only have that kind of power over life because they claim it. They, and most other people, don’t realize how fragile their position actually is, should others seek the same.
I’ve found this to be a fairly comprehensive review of the available videos. Conclusions appear reasonable. https://resistmap.substack.com/p/they-took-his-gun-then-they-shot?r=ppwk8&shareImageVariant=overlay&triedRedirect=true
It seems like they murdered him because he was a gun owner legally exercising his rights.
You can remove the (tracking) part in the URL after the question mark, like so https://resistmap.substack.com/p/they-took-his-gun-then-they-shot
Hey. That link said first name last name (presumably yours) shared that document with you.
Might want to clean that up for privacy sake.
Where do you see that? I don’t see any of that.
It was a little popup that opened the first time I clicked the link. It does not open on subsequent link clicks.
Fantastic link… if this could be pinned somewhere it would be amazing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare
We’re going to have to learn from this if we want to succeed.
americans, if you are waiting for a hero to sweep in and save you from the obese child rapist and his public execution loving Gestapo, then, well, I’ve got some bad news for you…
schumer, and jefferies already sided with the gop. you are on your own, besides thier AIPAC/billionaire donors threatened not to fund them in future elections if they stop ICE
And god said: what do you mean? I sent a boat and a helicopter!
We need more community defense classes now more than ever. Seriously!
You need to arm yourself while you still can, and get ready for combat.
seriously, where the fuck are the cops that are supposed to be protecting the community from this?
Even if all cops weren’t bastards, DHS and ICE in Minneapolis outnumber them 5 to 1.
Uvalde showed us all what cops are. Nothing else needs to be learned or said about police, that disgusting event told us every single thing worth knowing.
The cops are to protect corporate interests and the wealthy. Nothing more. We are on our own.
Doing fuck all about it or helping.
I don’t think that’s how the cops understand their jobs.
Nah, cops prefer sitting in their idling cars and occasionally write tickets. Sometimes they show up late to a crime scene, take pics, and file a report. You’re hoping the cops protect citizens from fed-sponsored, armed thugs? You’re on your own.
Appears? They fucking mag dumped into his limp corpse.
(Yelling at whoever wrote the article title)
If the Democrats running the states were serious about protecting their constituents they would bring murder and state-level RICO charges against the appropriate members of ICE.
But all I hear is a hollow “please don’t do this”
Fuck this two party, techno-fascist enabling system.
People need to stand up to protect themselves - no one else is in these situations
Bring John Brown back to life.
If people start ambushing and wiping out ICE teams, my reaction is going to be “about fucking time”
trumps was going to “incite inssurection act” regardless of outcome, hes just buying time so his dumb supporters dont suddenly joinag against them. As if midterms are going to save the dems anyways, they already sided with the gop on many things, and NEWSOM IS UNLIKELY TO SHAKE UP THE STATUS quo as well.
A lot of them don’t wear radios. If they get separated they’re screwed.
If ICE agents started disappearing you’d get a lot fewer volunteers. Bovino’s outside in range of so many buildings pretty often. Would just take a dedicated few to send a message.
Good luck
A lot of them sleep in campers on private property, must be a miserable life already.
The worst part about it has to be the signing bonus scheme.
As I understand it, they get the sum right away, probably blow it all on lifting their trucks and stupid shit, and then they’re committed for 5 years. For every year they break contract early they owe 10k, so even if they have a change of heart, they’re stuck in hell.
They’re never going to see that bonus.
Campers have small windows and malleable exteriors. It’d be a shame if someone boarded up the door and then something happened to the camper.
The gennys on those things could be faulty and fill the thing with CO.
Hoooking them up and dragging them to the middle of nowhere would be better though.
Grounds a bit frozen this time of year.
Minnesota is full of lakes. Cut an oversized ice fishing hole, and a lot of problems could sink away.
Fargo style (the tv show)
I’m frankly shocked there aren’t more agents getting frostbite mixed with piss. Couldn’t think of a more appropriate fate than a pedo protection force agent losing their trigger finger to a piss balloon.
Some may argue speaking with their managers may be more effective
The military is waiting to step in
Step on
I think that at this point most americans see ICE agents and think: about time these heroes do something. Otherwise they just straight up wouldn’t exist.
The fuck is your damage?
Overwhelming evidence points to this being a joke in poor taste.
Block the troll and move on.
You think wrong.
I think at this point you’re an idiot.
Did you somehow miss the anti-ICE demonstrations throughout most of the US the other day? Something that’s been widely reported both in MSM and everywhere else (including here, being at the top of all several times). Yeah, there are some people who root for ICE, but it’s not even close to “most”. Same as some still like Trump, but the majority hate him.
delusional moron
Reddit passes out warnings and bans at the slightest hint of me “approving of violence,” even when I upvote something as small as saying “hey maybe arrest the men who execute innocent people,” so uhhhh, I’ll just say that here.
We should imprison all ICE agents. And if they were to go missing and/or die, I would not lose a wink of sleep.
When this all started last year I got a bot suspension and a strike for violating rule 1 (advocating for violence towards people) by pointing out that one could sabotage ICE vehicles by dropping sugar in a gas tank. Won the appeal and got the strike removed but it’s sure a joke of a website.
Reddit is doing what every oligarch in history has ever done, make the dictator happy to hold onto their wealth and power.
they already banned “doxxing” the ICE pigs, and ive seen quite a few astroturfing going on since day 1.
I am vehemently anti-death penalty. That said, I have zero problem whatsoever with making violation of the public trust and willful abuse of power by elected and appointed officials into a capital offense. And, quite honestly, for crimes as egregious as this, maybe that punishment should be publicly executed.
I just got unsuspended after 7 days for roughly the same thing. Fuck that site.
thats lucky, unspensions are pretty rare, once you get banned, im guessing if you arnt shadowbanned.
My account of over 18 years was permabanned after 2 AI-given strikes for upvoting Luigi pictures, and a third one for saying “if he could just not wake up this time, that’d be great” on a pic of Trump snoozing.
That place has gone to the dogs.
AI striked multiple of my accounts, the last one got off of a technicality, they had since patched.
The Fediverse has tons of problems too, don’t get me wrong, but at least it allows for free expression.
I’ve said some truly deranged takes here and at worst the mods just delete my comments, which is honestly fair. Meanwhile I suggest that the Saudi royal family should all fall into a river and drown and oh no I get banned, this was like 4 years ago BTW.
reddits AI moderation is something new, they hadnt done before until last year, i think thats where people were catching multiple bans.
I made reference to a movie there and was given a suspension. It was about a group of white guys hunting a homeless black man in the forest. Reddit is a cesspit of fascist apologia at best.
This was their plan
I don’t think it was the “plan,” I think it’s just the result of answering to the almighty dollar: money comes first, people a distant third.
Nah, Spez has shown sympathy to Nazis.
We should imprison all ICE agents. And if they were to go missing and/or die, I would not lose a wink of sleep.
Are you on the side of the rule of law and democracy or the side of might makes right? Because, I’m not aware of any way to have people ‘go missing’ in prison that would not violate the constitution.
I believe the first part but think the second part is abhorrent and unAmerican.
ICE has forfeited the rule of law that protects society. Between the memo disregarding the Constitution and their actions, they have become the realworld version of Fallout raiders.
I agree, and I hope we see a lot of them in prison for this.
Their actions do not justify even more people to ignore the constitution and law in order to commit violence.
Violence is what did in the Nazis and the Confederacy.
True, and if our system fails and the elections process are messed with then I will have a different opinion about what should be done. I’m not saying that violence isn’t ever necessary (most of my family are veterans or active duty, I understand), I’m saying that the people pushing violence now are agitators trying to make a bad situation worse.
Until then, I’m not ready to throw away our entire country because I’m furious at these white supremacists in ICE uniforms. Their day is coming and everyone who ordered and enabled this all the way up to the top will face the same justice.
I will agitate. It is very likely that civil war will consume my nation. If that happens, I want my people to already have the materials and mindset needed to defeat Dogey America.
Then you’re part of the problem.
I find it hard to believe that:
- You really believe that there is a civil war coming;
- Are openly calling for violence on public social media and also;
- Live in the United States
It seems a little suicidal, if your worldview is correct, to be openly advocating for violence against an administration that has shown no qualms about using terrorism laws against detractors and who controls one of the most comprehensive intelligence systems ever created.
Kinda sounds like someone who isn’t in the US and is just stirring up shit for a paycheck.
So in the one video, you can clearly see the guy take the victim’s gun away, about the time of the first shot. What are the odds, that fucker accidentally or otherwise, fired the victim’s weapon and that’s what started it. I ask because watch the way he runs away and hides behind a car.
Nah it was the guy in blue jeans, black balaclava, longsleeve green shirt. He unholsters his gun and shoots him without justification. Alex Pretti’s gun was taken by the guy in the grey jacket.
From the woman standing right there:
I heard 10 shots, delivered directly into him as they held him down on the ground. They grabbed two guys, pushed them to the ground, and held one down so their colleagues could walk up and execute him.
