Joshua Orta was planning on cooperating with investigators hired by the family of his friend, Ruben Ray Martinez, who was fatally shot by an ICE agent last year, according to a report
  • jjagaimo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    425·
    4 days ago

    Cars don’t explode like in movies

    It’s also a huge vulnerability that modern cars have internet connections and could easily trigger the immobilizer or drive got into a wall

    • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
      161·
      4 days ago

      There are only a handful of models that use a drive-by-wire system where an electronic attack would let you do something like that (Teslas and some models of Humvee are the only ones I know right off) - pretty much everything else still uses supplementary physical connections to prevent loss of control during a hardware failure. Loss of steering assist or activation of an immobilizer will cause your engine to shut down and your controls to be less responsive, but it does not cause you to lose control of a car and both have a long enough purely mechanical delay to allow you to safely stop the vehicle.

      There’s no way for a remote attacker to “drive your car into the wall” unless you’re using one of those very rare models. Even cars with lane assist are designed so that -mechanically- they cannot override user input.

      • jjagaimo@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        3 days ago

        Seeing this coincidentally. I may be wrong about the immobilizer but even having one aspect of the car fail could cause issues if the person isnt expecting it, especially if they are already speeding. Also theres no saying if there could have been physical sabotage to the car or that he was driving something with issues like a recent honda (steering rack issues that cause them to lock up)

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
          3·
          3 days ago

          I think you’re trying to defend if this was him being killed by ICE - while I personally doubt it was (why would ICE care enough to do this elaborate conspiracy BS that almost failed when they could just, you know, shoot him) - that’s not really needed here, I’m not trying to make a case either way. I’m just pointing out that “hacking a car” can’t, outside of a handful of models, be used by a hacker as an automatic crash button. Even that example you linked to at worst just disabled the engine, which wouldn’t inherently cause someone to lose control of a car (idk if you’ve ever had an engine die while you’re driving, but it really isnt a big deal to manage).

      • rumba@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        3 days ago

        a handful of models

        I’m not saying they did him in because that’s just a conspiracy theory, but your claim is a touch outdated.

        Anything that has lane assist or parking assist, on any model has buss managed controls.

        Manufacturer,Model,Type of Auto Control Tesla,Model 3,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model Y,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model S,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Tesla,Model X,Autopilot / Full Self Driving Ford,Mustang Mach-E,BlueCruise Ford,F-150,BlueCruise Ford,Expedition,BlueCruise Ford,Escape,Lane Keeping Assist GM,Cadillac CT4,Super Cruise GM,Cadillac CT5,Super Cruise GM,Cadillac Escalade,Super Cruise GM,Chevy Silverado,Super Cruise GM,GMC Sierra,Super Cruise Hyundai,Ioniq 5,Highway Driving Assist Hyundai,Ioniq 6,Highway Driving Assist Hyundai,Santa Fe,Remote Smart Parking Assist Hyundai,Palisade,Remote Smart Parking Assist Kia,EV6,Highway Driving Assist Kia,EV9,Remote Smart Parking Assist 2 Kia,Sportage,Lane Keeping Assist Kia,Telluride,Highway Driving Assist Toyota,Camry,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,Corolla,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,RAV4,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Toyota,Highlander,Toyota Safety Sense Lane Keeping Honda,Accord,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,Civic,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,CR-V,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Honda,Pilot,Honda Sensing Lane Keeping Nissan,Ariya,ProPILOT Assist and ProPILOT Park Nissan,Rogue,ProPILOT Assist Nissan,Leaf,ProPILOT Assist Mercedes-Benz,S-Class,Drive Pilot Mercedes-Benz,EQS,Drive Pilot / Active Steering Assist Mercedes-Benz,E-Class,Active Steering Assist BMW,5 Series,Driving Assistant Professional BMW,7 Series,Parking Assistant Professional BMW,iX,Highway Assist Audi,A6,Lane Assist Audi,A8,Parking Assist Plus Audi,Q7,Lane Centering and Parking Assist Volkswagen,ID.4,Travel Assist Volkswagen,Tiguan,Lane Assist Volkswagen,Atlas,Lane Assist Subaru,Outback,EyeSight Lane Centering Subaru,Forester,EyeSight Lane Centering Subaru,Crosstrek,EyeSight Lane Centering Volvo,XC90,Pilot Assist Volvo,XC60,Pilot Assist Polestar,Polestar 2,Pilot Assist Lexus,RX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Lexus,NX,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Lexus,ES,Lexus Safety System Plus Lane Centering Rivian,R1T,Driver Plus Rivian,R1S,Driver Plus Lucid,Air,DreamDrive

        • Warl0k3@lemmy.world
          2·
          3 days ago

          I think you’ve misunderstood - while there are many models with the ability to steer the car without human input, there are almost none that do not have a direct mechanical link in addition to those systems.

          For example, this is the steering colum from a Kia Sportage with lane assist:

          You can see that while it does have supplemental electrical controls, there’s still a purely mechanical connection to the controls. I will admit I made an error in my initial post: Teslas do not use steer-by-wire either. As near as I can find there are only four models (in the US) that do not have at least a supplemental direct mechanical connection - and current safety standards make it borderline impossible for new models without that to be legal on US roads.