“Experts, schmexperts. I’m on the salt and beef diet, and that cures everything!”
– “wellness” morons, probably
Palmer was clear that nobody should stop psychiatric medications without careful supervision. While one of the patients in his study worked with her doctor to safely taper off her psychiatric medications, the other decided to stop all of them suddenly on her own.
“Let me be clear, that was an unmitigated catastrophe for her. She became severely psychotic. She was hospitalized for over two months,” Palmer said. That patient continued her diet throughout her hospitalization, and had to go back on medication before tapering off safely.
if you read through the lines it’s two supervised cases and only fully supervised case to be clear. Despite the keto diet the second patient was, in fact, psychotic, until the medication was reintroduced.
Kennedy Jr’s statement probably referred to the Harvard psychiatrist Dr Christopher Palmer, who said he has “never once used the word ‘cure’ in my work. I have never claimed to have cured any mental illness, including schizophrenia,” but added: “I have talked about ketogenic diet being a very powerful treatment, even to the point of inducing remission of symptoms of schizophrenia.”
RFK is a crackpot moving way too fast. At the same time, The Guardian is equally misleading in its headline here.
There IS evidence that Schizophrenia, like a lot of other disorders (epilepsy, Alzheimer’s, Bipolar, etc) have links to the microbiome. Here is a paper analyzing various studies into keto as an effective treatment for schizophrenia. It’s not perfect, it’s not for everyone, and more research is needed.
Technically the Guardian is correct when they say there is no evidence that keto can “cure”, but I find it very misleading when there is a decent bit of evidence that it is an effective treatment.
I’ve suspected for a while now that a good chunk of common health issues might be caused by malnutrition. Like energy needs are being met and/or exceeded, but not necessarily the case for each nutrient.
Like I’ve started to recognize when I’m protein deficient. I get a headache and general unwell feeling. I’ll have an appetite for things with protein but it doesn’t just feel like hunger.
And personally, if I’m feeling depressed and unmotivated to do anything, even what’s usually fun, I can resolve that with a vitamin b-complex supplement (usually I take vitamin D and K2 with it, so those could be playing a role), and if that doesn’t have me feeling better (as in normal, not just “less depressed”) within 15 minutes or so, I also take a magnesium supplement. This may or may not work for anyone else (it requires that your depression be caused by b and/or magnesium deficiency), but it has consistently worked for me since 2020, when it helped get over the exhaustion that might have been long covid.
Micronutrients are essential for many different body functions and I think it’s easy to miss some if you don’t have a lot of variety in your regular diet, especially if you mostly eat processed stuff where the process could inadvertently remove or change the nutrients into something we can’t absorb.
I agree that one’s biome can also play a big role, though I think nutrient intake (both what you consume and what you absorb) and gut biome health can end up in a vicious cycle because those microbes also need the right nutrients to stay healthy and can be exposed to substances that are fine for us but toxic to them. I haven’t looked in a while, but this was my objection to all the studies that “showed” glyphosate was safe, as the ones I saw were mostly about how it doesn’t react with any of our own bio-processes, but no information about whether that’s the same for the bacteria we have a symbiotic relationship with.
Yeah I think that’s an important line to walk: the conversation between the body and the mind. A lot of people in my life seem to really struggle with body awareness. They wait for the signals from their bodies to reach a certain threshold before paying attention. It’s like waiting until your car’s low fuel light is flashing before starting to look for a gas station.
On the other hand, you can go too far… But maybe that’s a good thing? The placebo effect is real. Any time I take supplements, especially when the science is mixed, I wonder whether the supplement actually works or if it’s just placebo. But at the end of the day I don’t care which. I still take my vitamin D in the winter, my vitamin C when I start to feel a cold coming on.
He so close - it’s not the Keto Diet, it’s brain-worms from eating the roadkill.
There’s a day coming when most Americans will have very limited access to real medicine. A plurality will have to depend on quackery and home remedies.
I have no expertise but found Dr Christopher Palmer’s book interesting: https://brainenergy.com/
Why would literally anyone listen to this coke-fried man whose had actual fucking worms crawling around in his actual fucking brain?
But he’s snorted cocaine off a toilet seat, he’s just like me or you! So relatable.
also HEROIN damaged brain, who drove his family member to OD on it, plus cocaine, and decades of parasite exposure. and he resulted in 80+ somoan Dead children by advising them to not take the MEASLES VACCINE.
someone has been brain damaged by cocaine and heroin should not be giving medical advice, and likely a parasirtic infection in his youth(before his divorce)
The evidence that ketogenic diet might help with schizophrenia symptom remission comes from two case reports that Palmer published in Schizophrenia Research in 2019. When discussing them, Palmer was quick to emphasise that “yes, it’s only two”, and that “case reports don’t prove anything. They’re not controlled. They come with tremendous amounts of bias.” But, Palmer noted, that can be important for generating hypotheses about what treatments might work. Palmer thought it was valuable to publish these case reports because remission of schizophrenia symptoms is incredibly rare.
Two case studies! The scientist quoted knows that it means nothing! Don’t read one article that might show something that confirms your bias and go “this is real.”
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“But even the doctor who wrote about it says it isn’t a cure.”
“What the fuck does he know?”
wasnt there a recent post, rebuking ketogenic diet is not much of difference.
Nothing this snake oil salesman says is ever backed by any evidence.
Who would have guessed you could cure mental illness back thousands of years by eating exclusively chicken.
That’s a carnivore diet. A ketogenic diet can be vegan.
Not that I’m recommending a vegan keto diet, I’m just saying you got your diets mixed up.
When has RFK ever suggested a vegan diet? The article referenced a “red meat, whole milk and animal fats” diet. So my mistake I should have said steak not chicken.
that is where you get all your essential parasites.
Whole milk has more
he reccomended RAW MILK.
That’s true, sorry. Raw milk has more sugar than it has fat. (it’s basically the same as whole milk)
After some health issues I did a whole food plant based, SOS, Keto diet. My cholesterol ratio went to 1.08 without meds, I lost a ton of weight, was full of energy and got fit as fuck, and apparently I was “full of color” because I was now eating a ton of vitamins and nutrients. Great diet but viciously difficult to keep up with unless you have a peraonal chef.
Needless to say, I am no longer that strict.
FIBER does slow down the absorption of fat, cholesterol and sugar. i
I’ve also done several stints of mostly veg with some fish keto, and every time it’s like magic. Feel great, clear head, drop 5kg over a couple weeks. It’s always back-to-back social things or travel that break it. If I lived in a bubble or some keto-only hippie commune, I’d be shredded like a block of cheddar.
But a block of cheddar isn’t shredded. It’s a block. Shredded cheddar is shredded.
The cheddar GETS shredded through work.
It was the COVID lockdown that killed it for me. I haven’t been terrible since, but I also have not found the motivation to go hard core again.
No evidence behind most of what this walking crime against humanity says
Has anyone found evidence behind the claim that RJK Jr can integrate novel information?
Even beyond like actual facts and evidence proving this wrong, I have one fundamental question for all these nutcases making wild claims about diet: why the fuck would X diet do Y thing?
Like what about eating more meat and fat & being in ketosis could possibly have any effect on schizophrenia, of all things.
It doesn’t even make sense on any basic level. Could there theoretically be some counterintuitive thing that would cause an effect? Maybe, sure. But come on - these wacky claims don’t even pass the sniff test.
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I do think it’d be interesting to do a real study on it. Keto can reduce seizures, and after study it might turn out the same mechanism of action that helps there helps with schizophrenia symptoms. I hope there’s a more extensive study being planned out there.
The good news is there are studies being done!
There is a lot of co-morbidity between Schizophrenia, Bipolar disorder, depression, and Schizoaffective disorder. Epilepsy might’ve been in this list as well. The research in this WRT to nutrition is known as Metabolic Psychiatry and the book that Dr Palmer has written is Brain Energy. It is a fascinating read. Other notable resources include Dr Georgia Ede, Dr. Bret Scher, and Dr. Iain Campbell.
Why would anyone take anything seriously from a man who had actual brain worms.
Maybe going keto would grow them some extra brain cells so they could realize it’s a bad idea
Unless I’m mistaken he doesn’t even make money off the keto diet, this is just stupidity for stupidity’s sake
He makes money off of stupidity, though; his and others.
anti-vaxxers were an UNTAPPED grifting “natural resources”, before COVID, it always existed in the fringe and always were midwestern moms/families who ironically believe in chronic lyme too.
It’s more insidious than that. In general, meat forward diet influencers are entry points into the conservative pipeline. You start out seeking to improve your health and very quickly end up exposed to jordan peterson types who will ominously warn you of the “normalization of inadequacy” among the general public and suggest progressively more conservative content as a pathway to achieving your full potential.
So in essence, though he may not seem to directly benefit, by highlighting these types of diets he knows plenty of people will hop on youtube or whatever and get algorithm’d right back into the broader MAHA/MAGA sphere
the gym bros, culture is also pretty conservatives, they follow UFC, and by extension roegan, and other pseudointellectual. J peterson is a fully paid shill for Putin, ever since he went to russia to GET a coma from them.
I really want to shove Peterson down a flight of stairs right into one of those industrial grinders they use to mulch engine blocks.
