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cross-posted from: https://infosec.pub/post/42694823
Trump has no power to “decree” that voters must present ID or to end mail-in balloting. But that doesn’t mean he can’t at least try both. Under the Insurrection Act or some other dusty statute, he can declare a state of emergency. Then he can decide that said state permits, nay requires, him to take extraordinary measures. On October 5, say, that might mean outlawing early voting. By October 13, it might mean no mail-in voting. By October 29, a reminder that all voters must present ID to vote. And by Sunday, November 1, two days before the election—an announcement that all these “reasonable” measures have alas failed, and he is now forced, against his will, to postpone the election.
In my experience in an EU country, sufficient ID was also provided freely by the government (eg a social security card).
This is not something in the US that is free. ID must also be a photo ID. So let’s say you have a job where you work 7 days a week and take the bus because you don’t have a driver’s license. To get sufficient ID you must then: take unpaid time off of work, get to an office that issues ID, pay like $20 for such an ID… All to have the opportunity to exercise the right to vote.
This is both a tax and an unreasonable burden, effectively disenfranchising millions of poor people.
This is solvable though, if the government issues free IDs and sets something up to facilitate people getting their photos taken. However that would never be executed effectively, nor would people support paying the costs.
You omitted that in the US, employment is largely “at will”, which means even taking a few hours off work, even asking for that, can result in that person being fired, and many won’t take that risk.
They don’t want to solve it… the unreasonable burden and disenfranchisement are the point.
In Germany you do not need a ID to vote. Every citizen gets a voting invitation per mail which is a notification saying when and where to vote. It is also a single use “voting ticket”, as instead of a ID.
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You’re not wrong in most of what you’ve said but equally in the EU you got to apply for one and pay for it, and an ID card is ~40€. Passport is a bit more. But yeah you could actually take your own passport photo with a mobile as long as it fullfills a few requirements. Most people just use a photographer who sends them directly to the police and then you just go online and pay and wait a few weeks and get your ID in the mail.
But yeah I know how different it is in the US especially because it affects different populations differently.
in Belgium it is fairly painless. it’s possible to take time off for admin. and life here is really difficult without one. it’s essential.
Yeah I wouldn’t know about that aspect, the only time I’ve ever had a “normal schedule” were in the army and a few months of day shift as a taxi driver. And if I had to do something in the middle of the day I just did it between fares.
So I don’t I now if people working 8-16 in Finland take personal days but it’s possible at least. Not that it’s even necessary for most I think. There’s not many places you still have to physically go to to apply to things and whatnot. Mostly online.
$20 once every like 10 years is unreasonable?
For an ID? No. For voting? Yes. Having to pay anything for voting is a problem. Just as having to stand in line all day, thus paying by not earning, is a major problem.
Government photo ID is required for a lot of reasons, not just for voting. But yeah pretty weird that we have to miss work* to stand in line all day to get one, and that we have to PAY for this thing the government requires us to have. Like social security cards are required in USA too but I’m pretty sure we don’t have to pay for those.
I think the reason govt photo ID’s cost $20-ish is because originally they were a Driver’s License, which is a privilege to have, not a requirement, so we pay for that privilege. And the place we get that photo ID is at the motor vehicle office / department of motor vehicles.Then over the years the motor vehicle office started offering government photo ID’s for people who DON’T drive too. But for some reason those ID cards cost $20-ish too which is a bit extortionate since there isn’t even a driving privilege associated with that. Government-issued photo ID’s are REQUIRED so should be free like social security cards are.
*Don’t really have to miss work. Just go there on a day you’re not scheduled to work. Not fun to spend a day off at the motor vehicles office but c’est la vie.
It’s an extremely small cost for ensuring most important democratic process is untampered. The opposition for voter ID check is completely unreasonable
Believing that everyone can find money for an ID is extremely privileged.
I have had students who couldn’t put together the equivalent 15USD, without a month’s notice. In the US you have entire families being homeless, we don’t.
Well that’s great, since next elections are far more than one month away. You just made an argument that even poor students can afford it
I also made the argument that you shouldn’t have to pay to vote, but you don’t like to respond to that. Only that you through your immense intellectual powers have found the logical loophole, that made me debate whether I should even make my comment.
Is the age of your account an indication of your intent to troll, or do you care to explain, why it’s OK to require people to pay to vote? Not why it’s not unaffordable, but why it’s OK to require payment to vote.
Except that it’s already secure. There are monitors, studies, and statistics to back the fact that illegally voting is a statistically nonexistent problem. The number of such cases is vanishingly small. There is no problem that needs solving here. It’s just assholes like yourself trying to impose their will on the law.