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What is the MPG between those vehicles? How long will their respective tanks last?
A Forester is still an SUV. It’s classified as an SUV whether you like it or not. A crossover SUV is still an SUV. It’s a subclass, but falls under the umbrella.
Sonata: 25/37 Forester: 26/33
They are fairly close in stats.
Look, I get what you’re saying. The whole thing is these vehicles are a range and people are driving what they can. To just give a blanket “fuck these people for this broad category” seems weird to me.
I am merely pointing out nuances and I don’t understand what is triggering some people to turn into a hostile jack ass for pointing something out. 🤷♂️
The classification doesn’t determine what it actually is. It is an arbitrary label.
SUVs and crossovers are functionally different. I don’t really give a shit that someone decided to group them together.
Well, I disagree with your argument about SUV classification so we will agree to disagree here.
I think my issue is that SUV efficiency is a range just like sedans are a range, trucks, vans, compacts, etc. So at what point is it really fuck this type of car versus fuck vehicles that have this specific fuel efficiency.
My entire point was the person I replied to said fuck SUVs and AI. Hey, I get it but SUVs aren’t the problem, vehicle efficiency is and many classes cross over into that “fuck this” point. That’s really the crux of my first reply here was that it was a broad stroke and if you’re going to say fuck something because of its contribution then maybe don’t be so broad and targeted?
That is certainly your prerogative; many people have chosen to group them together. But it does mean that the “sedan vs SUV” MPG comparison is obfuscated by a faulty premise.
I’m curious though, what in your mind makes a Forester an SUV rather than a wagon? Disregard any external labels that others have applied. How you would classify the vehicle.
Great question. I’ve never really thought about that, but I’d probably say size and design (boxy-ish looks). Beyond that, categorization by the companies making and rating them is what I go by.
What faulty premise? Do mid size and large sedans have fuel efficiency and vehicle length that cross into the small and mid size SUV range? I compared them because the original comment was essentially “I hope the high gas really fucks SUVs”. Why SUVs specifically? Which SUVs? No mention of large sedans, trucks, vans, etc.
My comparison was to point out that a singular broad criticism was sort of a weird idea when there are so many other factors.
If you start adding a bunch of caveats it diminishes the fun of saying it.
“fuck everyone driving a giant ass gas vehicle to the point where the avg SUV driver is crying about it.”
I think if people took “SUV” in this context to mean “traditional SUV” (i.e. to exclude crossovers) it would avoid a lot of the confusion.
So styling and marketing?
Fwiw, the Sonata is actually longer and wider than the Forester, though the Forester is taller due to the wagon bodystyle and a higher suspension/larger tires: carsized.com is an interesting site
Yeah. The Sonata is a fairly big for a mid-size sedan.
I guess when I say size it’s a combo of length and width but also height. Ground clearance is a big one.
So putting a lift kit on the Sonata would make it an SUV? Actually…Subaru did just that very thing! The Crosstrek is an Impreza (hatchback body) with a lift kit.