Runescape is kinda fun but it’s not worth nearly that much for a single character.
Jagex profit margins are insane. It will never be enough as they’re completely owned by a VC capital firm.
I also want to note that they’ve just:
Removed all pay to win elements
Removed all loot box and fomo purchases
Added the ability to toggle off other people’s cosmetics in the settings
Removed all “dailies”, “hourlies” and any content that would pressure you to log in or not do the activity you’d rather do
They overhauled the combat system last week to be more intuitive
Are releasing a whole new continent on the 28th to give new players a taste of endgame activities like bossing
The price increase is on the annual subscription, and as a new player I’m letting my monthly sub roll another month. Not saying it doesn’t suck for long-time players but it’s what, another $40 for a game you intend to play for a whole year and will get hundreds of hours out of?
I just started playing RuneScape last month as part of a “group Ironman” and have been having a blast. I want to note this is the new RuneScape and not “Old School”. I honestly think it’s going to surpass OSRS at this rate.
I highly doubt RS3 will outpace OSRS ever. The majority of the money Jagex pulls in is through OSRS, that’s why it gets so much more content. RS3 can be fun for the certain group of people but OSRS is just a behemoth.
It’s definitely not just about raw content. OSRS primarily exists because of the failings of RS3’s monetization and first combat rework.
Both have been MUCH improved now and finally the good of RS3 can shine, primarily the graphical fidelity, UI modernization, and combat that isn’t a pile of engine exploits discovered by players and embraced by devs who were happy to use bugs as features.
RS3 has lots of unique content that OSRS doesn’t have, with better designed bosses (I’m told) and regions like Anachronia. Even OSRS was behind RS3 in content for a long time considering it was an old fork from a previous version that the devs were cautious about updating, so there isn’t a large gap here.
I believe RS3 now has a better foundation than old school, and I suspect there will be a gradual increase in new players (and curious OSRS players) over time. As a new player that’s why I chose it over OSRS at least. I tried both and RS3 just feels way better to play.
As a player who played RS2 back in 2004, and quit with the combat rework. Started playing OSRS in 2018, and tried RS3 last year. RS3 feels too cluttered with bullshit to feel nice to play. Everywhere you go, there’s some shiny, sparkling bunch of content doing everything it can to convince you to drop everything you’re doing, and try it instead. It feels claustrophobic with the amount of crap littered literally everywhere. Like playing “ADHD the game”.
The graphics don’t really matter to me, but if they did, OSRS has graphical options, like the 117 HD mod, the HD client, and coming soon-ish (probably(maybe)) the new official client with a HD rework.
I don’t see what RS3 supposedly has, that would want me to play it, instead of OSRS.
$40 seems a drop in the bucket compared to about 20 years ago when I was then toiling in a Korean F2P while watching the whales turbo-grind their way to lvl200, spending several times more than a game in a shrink-wrapped box.
I’m pretty sure the price increase is for OSRS also, but they just don’t get anything.
Anyway, I somewhat agree with your argument. You get what you pay for, and if you want the game to not have MTX then you’re going to pay more (possibly, increased players could counteract this). I wouldn’t use an “hours played” metric to defend this though. I think it’s a bad metric even for regular games, but especially RS where it’s a “second monitor game” much of the time. Enjoyment/$ is the metric that matters. It’s harder to measure (as it should be, as it’s subjective), but it’s actually the reason we play games.
Oh I’m not even arguing that the price increase has a justification.
I just think the games are still worth it at the higher price and that RS3 might be underrated now.
Still the second price hike and all of that occurred right after the first price hike. Players assumed the first hike was the trade-off to get rid of MTX since that was already the discussion at the time.
RuneScape is definitely fun though, I’m not disputing that.
Just a gentle reminder that 2009Scape exists and you can play it offline with member benifits.
There’s a scape for every major version of RS you could have nostalgia for. It’s beautiful.
Nostalgia, then I remember all the grind involved and lose any interest in grindy MMOs…
Just give me castle wars tbh
2009Scape allows you to play with 1, 2, or 5 times XP in normal mode, or up to 10x in IronMan mode.
Isn’t every mode iron man mode? It’s single player so you won’t be trading anyway right?
there is multiplayer 2009scape, thus the need for ironman mode for those who want it
Gotcha! I thought it was only single player.
No, you can enable the grand exchange in the single player one.
That’s wild, it didn’t even occur to me that this could be a thing. So like it’s a private server G.E.
Yep.
This is amazing, thanks for sharing!
Oh hey, I recognize your name! Did you also hop onto 2009 yesterday night? I think we were on Tutorial Island together haha
I can finally get some coal without 300 people on the same vein
Very cool, thanks!
Lets federate it (if it hasn’t already been done)
Also worth noting that they fucked over their longest continuous supporters by rug-pulling their grandfather rates after promising they wouldn’t be touched. That is a huge slap in the face for anyone who considers supporting them going forward.
It comes as a surprise to me that they charge to play RuneScape and people
fallpay for itIt’s pretty fun these days actually, new endgame bosses come out every now and then, they’ve added a ton of new skills, and they removed their lootbox mechanic and have done a lot to get rid of the daily FOMO grind. Lifted daily caps on some activities, gotten rid of others.
I haven’t played in half a year, but honestly, a lot of the changes they’ve been talking about are a huge positive for the game.
“i dont like something and so no one else should” there are people who like the game. Its an mmo, so there are costs inherent in that, server, full time staff etc. It is not unreasonable to ask for some amount of money to keep the game going with updates. Is this price point unreasonable and greedy? Sure feels like it. Is your comment even more unreasonable? Definitely.
And for that price WoW offers 65? character slots, while RS offers the whole 1.
Tbf to Jagex. An RS or OSRS character doesn’t need an alt in the same way you need to be able to have different builds in WOW.
Main, Ironman and a few different PvP builds? €50/month +
The only thing that kind of saves it is being able to buy bonds, but you’ll need a constant flow of cash for that.
Ff14 also lets you play all classes in one character but they still let you make alts.
Honestly can’t comprehend why anyone would make alts aside from access to additional retainers for free and maybe playing across data centers, but playing the main story is a fucking GRAND EPIC ADVENTURE that takes about 200 goddamn hours. You will literally never run out of things to do on one character in ff14. Ever.
Pedantic aside joke: “takes about 200 gd hours” immediately says “YOU WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF THINGS TO DO - EVER”
I get that that’s way out of context, I just thought it was funny. Okbaiiiiii~
200 hours was in reference to the main storyline.
There are also side quests, guild quests for dozens of different skills, and all sorts of other activities beyond questing. Plus several expansions. You really won’t ever run out of things to do in FFXIV…
Other commenter got it. 200 hours is just JUST to get through the main story that unlocks the other stuff. The “other stuff” is like 95% of the content and the main story is just the barrier to entry.
Posting the main quest just to get to the latest raid content is literally what is stopping me from returning lol. And that’s just a tenth of the campaign at this point probably
You’ll run out of things you want to do eventually
You have to pay for them though right. The base only lets you have 1 character.
But only nerds have more than 1
Yes, in RS your character is a jack of all trades.
And WoW offers an API for plugins like boss assistants.
Well OSRS has teamed up with RuneLite which also offers an API.
Finally
Has WoW actually become alt friendly in the recent expansions?
Recent expansions added some account wide progression. Rep is now account wide namely, along with the new delve season progression. There may be more, especially with the new expansion, but that’s what’s off the top of my head.
It wasn’t even main friendly back when I quit.
Right, hence my question — 65 character slots doesn’t really mean much if you’ll only ever have the time to play one.
The Warbands system does make it better. Though, like anything I’m sure it isnt perfect for everyone.
Does the game have a cash item shop? Will they be removing that? I can understand if they are removing a cash item shop or something, that is technically a trade of that revenue for subscription revenue. A little late to the subscription party though, people are wisening up to the fact they end up paying more on subscriptions.
I am not unreasonable though. Nobody ever likes price increases but from the perspective of the business price increases are sometimes necessary to keep up with inflation and cover server costs, etc. I dont know Jagex’s business and financials enough to know if this is necessary for the game to stay online or if it is just greed.
They’ve done a massive purge of MTX throughout the game.
they removed 99% of it, including daily scape. alot of new players and returning ones depend on it to restart the game. Auras are totally obliterated
I just started playing Oldschool RS a couple months ago for the first time since like 2009. It’s incredibly fun and chill with an insane amount of content. The old content is super nostalgic and the new content is high quality stuff. It’s right up my alley.
I’m happy to have this game as one of my very few subscriptions.
I sometimes wonder if stuff like this is why I lose my interest in games every couple of years and take years long breaks.
The classics never had micro transactions and still hold up and have mods. I replayed fable recently and had a lot of fun and nostalgia
If people keep playing there is no reason to not increase prices.
its mostly bots in both games. they are sustaining the game by keeping in game items cost low, rs too grindy for irl people to play so its bots/alts are doing the dirty work.
I always laugh at people who play RuneScape. I laughed at them when it was new and I laugh at them now. It’s such trash.
Just play 2007scape. It was hardly worth 5 dollars in the heyday, its not worth fucken 3 times that now that its washed.
OSRS is a completely new game. They’ve added so much content, it’s absolutely worth it if you haven’t played in a while.
Oh that got more expensive as well
I wonder how active it’s monthly playercount is going to be after this. Of course they won’t make it public. Heck, even support doesn’t exist as far as I have played it.
I will be back for the next osrs league with my gf I bought at GE. I do not know what the price was for the last league but I was not appaled for the 3 months. I wonder if players like us will smooth out the long term players who have less or no membership after this.
from what ive saw on the subreddit, orS has mostly bots in it, skewing the player count.
thats what they(ors) get for complaining about TH/MTX, runescape had to cut costs somewhere. most recently they removed alot of content dailyscape, and what not from the game. they have to earn that revenue back somehow.
