Tankies on lemmy: “That’s performative! They need to do a general strike!”
Protest organizers organize a general strike on international labour day
Tankies on lemmy: “they’re co-opting and neutering international labour day!!1!”
What the fuck do you think they should do on may day, twiddle their dicks and doompost about capitalism?
It’s a fucking general strike, organized by a decentralized movement of civil sector and labour organizations! How in that twisted and dissonant mind of yours do you justify calling that “co-opting” and “neutering” the labour movement?!?
It is not a general strike, it’s another meaningless, no demands, liberal circle jerk. BlueMAGA is as worthless as MAGA and both defend their own oppression
May Day is for recognizing labor. The US oligarchy is using that date to redefine what that day was designed for by using terms that are gaining reactions in the US, coopting them so they can neutralize the impact. They are doing to labor what MAGA communists are doing to neuter communism with disenfranchised conservatives.
They have only ever commented in Politics, World News, and occasionally Late Stage Capitalism
Since their account was created and over 1000 comments, they only talk in a derivative tone about political shit, in only 3 communities. That’s a bullshit account if I’ve ever seen one, or they just have a shitty personality… either way, their opinion is moot to me
There’s more than a few of these around. They start shit on otherwise seemingly normal posts for no reason, and often have a couple (friends? Alts?) to give them a couple upvotes to keep them afloat. IDK why they seem more prevalent lately and they’re only there to be dicks and not actually engage.
Guess I’m surprised that any of them would waste time on Lemmy/the fediverse. It doesn’t have enough clout to seem to be worth the effort.
We absolutely have trolls and there was pretty much no possibility at all that there wasn’t some kind of State monitoring going on, but active organized State Trolls seemed a stretch. There are far more popular platforms to manipulate the denizens of.
Waste time? It’s not the oligarchs in those countries doing it. They siphon the wealth of their nations like parasites. They can afford to pay a few peasants to operate their troll farms, where one person can direct thousands of bots at a time.
There’s an entire office building in Petersburg devoted to cyber/psyops. True, they probably focus most of their effort on more popular platforms like reddit, xitter, tiktok, facebook, and instagram. They’re definitely on telegram, maybe even whatsapp and discord. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re even on irrelevant artifacts like quora and yelp.
But to think they’re not on the fediverse, just because it isn’t as popular as other platforms? Please. They’ll leave no stone unturned.
I just moved from mainland and Xi definitely banned pictures of Winnie the Pooh and squashes pretty much all protest. Not sure why he would think different.
US builds concentration camps for those disappeared by masked secret police, after killing citizens in street.
Masked secret police collecting DNA, face scans, license plates from peaceful protestors, for use in creating a database of “domestic terrorists”.
Trump wishes to imprison additional US citizens in El Salvadoran gulag after sending 280 immigrants.
Police arrest and attack citizens with chemical weapons, batons, and projectiles, injuring over 300,000 people per year.
US bankrolls, supplies, and provides troops to apartheid state conducting genocide.
But China (7000km away) is big meanie and if I can’t have pooh photo (if I ever travel 7000km to China (which I hate because pooh photo)), I will literally die.
Also, nobody here is claiming that america is good. We’re literally here to discuss how drastically things in the US need to change.
The comment you’re replying to was calling out the hypocrisy of someone trying to detract from the protests going on. Denying the authoritarianism of one country doesn’t help oppose authoritarianism in another. Two mutually antagonistic governments can be authoritarians at the same time, and it’s perfectly valid to criticize both.
So your long list of facts, while they would be relevant as a top-level comment had you framed them as “reasons why we’re protesting,” are really just a thinly-veiled red herring that you’re attempting to use to defend someone who’s attempting to derail conversation about the protest movement.
While you are correct, we cannot skip steps in developing class consciousness. A 1 day general strike is better than a 0 day general strike. A 2 day strike is better than a 1 day.
You leftist ultras was to forsake progress in the name of idealism.
A sustained general strike requires widespread strong unions with the ability to keep workers paid and fed for the whole duration of the strike. It’s not something you can just decide to do on a whim, it requires years of preparation by a disciplined labor movement that has already trained those muscles. This 1 day strike isn’t ground-shattering, but it’s a start.
Beautifully coincides with May Day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Workers'_Day
They are trying to co-opt May Day and neuter it
What the fuck do you think they should do on may day, twiddle their dicks and doompost about capitalism?
It’s a fucking general strike, organized by a decentralized movement of civil sector and labour organizations! How in that twisted and dissonant mind of yours do you justify calling that “co-opting” and “neutering” the labour movement?!?
It is not a general strike, it’s another meaningless, no demands, liberal circle jerk. BlueMAGA is as worthless as MAGA and both defend their own oppression
That’s what Labor Day was for. You seem very confused. Did you get hit in the head recently?
May Day is for recognizing labor. The US oligarchy is using that date to redefine what that day was designed for by using terms that are gaining reactions in the US, coopting them so they can neutralize the impact. They are doing to labor what MAGA communists are doing to neuter communism with disenfranchised conservatives.
So what do you propose people do then?
FYI to others: I have this tankie from Lemmy.ml tagged as believing China doesn’t ban images of Xi as Winnie the Pooh, lol.
All I ever see them be is antagonistic, sowing apathy, defeatism, or trying to egg people with stochastic rhetoric (but never themselves, of course).
I have them tagged as a Troll
They have only ever commented in Politics, World News, and occasionally Late Stage Capitalism
Since their account was created and over 1000 comments, they only talk in a derivative tone about political shit, in only 3 communities. That’s a bullshit account if I’ve ever seen one, or they just have a shitty personality… either way, their opinion is moot to me
There’s more than a few of these around. They start shit on otherwise seemingly normal posts for no reason, and often have a couple (friends? Alts?) to give them a couple upvotes to keep them afloat. IDK why they seem more prevalent lately and they’re only there to be dicks and not actually engage.
Because foreign adversarial governments who want to see the demise of the west have access to the internet too.
Seriously, to think the FSB and the CCP’s CPD aren’t on lemmy is to delude oneself…
It gives me hope others recognize this. All we can do is call attention to it.
Some people still tell me to take my tinfoil hat off. Like, how ignorant can one be at this point?
Unless those people are state actors, of course…
Guess I’m surprised that any of them would waste time on Lemmy/the fediverse. It doesn’t have enough clout to seem to be worth the effort.
We absolutely have trolls and there was pretty much no possibility at all that there wasn’t some kind of State monitoring going on, but active organized State Trolls seemed a stretch. There are far more popular platforms to manipulate the denizens of.
Waste time? It’s not the oligarchs in those countries doing it. They siphon the wealth of their nations like parasites. They can afford to pay a few peasants to operate their troll farms, where one person can direct thousands of bots at a time.
There’s an entire office building in Petersburg devoted to cyber/psyops. True, they probably focus most of their effort on more popular platforms like reddit, xitter, tiktok, facebook, and instagram. They’re definitely on telegram, maybe even whatsapp and discord. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re even on irrelevant artifacts like quora and yelp.
But to think they’re not on the fediverse, just because it isn’t as popular as other platforms? Please. They’ll leave no stone unturned.
I just moved from mainland and Xi definitely banned pictures of Winnie the Pooh and squashes pretty much all protest. Not sure why he would think different.
Maybe your time would be better spent worrying about your own country?
Traveler threatened with jail or fine had phone forcefully searched and was denied entry after bald photo of JD Vance found.
Only state approved journalists allowed in White House press pool.
Pentagon removes internal press media offices.
Protestors charged with terrorism for wearing black clothing and handing out pamphlets.
US builds concentration camps for those disappeared by masked secret police, after killing citizens in street.
Masked secret police collecting DNA, face scans, license plates from peaceful protestors, for use in creating a database of “domestic terrorists”.
Trump wishes to imprison additional US citizens in El Salvadoran gulag after sending 280 immigrants.
Police arrest and attack citizens with chemical weapons, batons, and projectiles, injuring over 300,000 people per year.
US bankrolls, supplies, and provides troops to apartheid state conducting genocide.
But China (7000km away) is big meanie and if I can’t have pooh photo (if I ever travel 7000km to China (which I hate because pooh photo)), I will literally die.
Are you assuming that commenter is american?
Also, nobody here is claiming that america is good. We’re literally here to discuss how drastically things in the US need to change.
The comment you’re replying to was calling out the hypocrisy of someone trying to detract from the protests going on. Denying the authoritarianism of one country doesn’t help oppose authoritarianism in another. Two mutually antagonistic governments can be authoritarians at the same time, and it’s perfectly valid to criticize both.
So your long list of facts, while they would be relevant as a top-level comment had you framed them as “reasons why we’re protesting,” are really just a thinly-veiled red herring that you’re attempting to use to defend someone who’s attempting to derail conversation about the protest movement.
Are you in, or in the way?
Its the fragile little bird again. Hows that boot taste?
Explain why you think a general strike is neutering workers?
A 1 day event is not a general strike, it’s a performance
While you are correct, we cannot skip steps in developing class consciousness. A 1 day general strike is better than a 0 day general strike. A 2 day strike is better than a 1 day.
You leftist ultras was to forsake progress in the name of idealism.
You really will do ANYTHING but throw a punch, eh?
A sustained general strike requires widespread strong unions with the ability to keep workers paid and fed for the whole duration of the strike. It’s not something you can just decide to do on a whim, it requires years of preparation by a disciplined labor movement that has already trained those muscles. This 1 day strike isn’t ground-shattering, but it’s a start.
100%
Damn dude, you ever reconsider a position after being rationed that hard?
As if I care what BlueMAGA thinks