Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a US representative, said on Wednesday that she will oppose any future US military aid to Israel, including for defensive systems.
In a statement on social media, Ocasio-Cortez said that Israel was fully capable of funding “Iron Dome and other defensive systems”, and that “consistent with my voting record to date, I will not support Congress sending more taxpayer dollars and military aid to a government that consistently ignores international law and US law”.
Her remarks on Wednesday follow reports that she pledged to oppose any future military aid to Israel during a New York City Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) forum on Tuesday evening.
“Our allies who need our military aid must understand that we will provide it consistent with the Leahy amendment and the foreign assistance act”, Ocasio-Cortez added, referring to a law which prohibits the US from providing military support to army units that violate human rights.
According to City & State, which obtained a partial recording of the DSA forum, Ocasio-Cortez told members: “I have not once ever voted to authorize funding to Israel, and I will never,” adding that “the Israeli government should be able to finance their own weapons if they seek to arm themselves.”
Her path to getting here was stupid, allowing themselves to get outflanked by MTG was utterly unforced, and her response was worse.
Its great she’s sharpening this point, but how you get to where you end up matters for what amounts to the best progressive hope for 2028 (at least for now). It showed, frankly, a very clumsy ability to navigate politics, ultimately leaving her pissing off both the anti-zionists and the pro-genocide caucuses. Its not a feather in her cap for demonstrating a great ability to navigate issues or lead caucuses.
And that is my primary concern with AOC. She’s one of the best communicators the left has. But she is consistently not a leader on the most important issues we have, and is far too calculating. Genuinely, she reminds me of Pelosi in this manner.
I seriously doubt AOC was ever outflanked by MTG, and frankly I have no idea what you mean by that?
Doing a google search “marjorie tayler greene outflank democrats” turns up nothing.
Its not something you get to doubt. Its just a thing that happened. I guess you don’t follow politics.
So you don’t know what a word/ concept means, and your position on the matter starts by doubting the thing exists. Telling.
I provided a link. Click it. Its not even text, you can just listen.
I guess you mean because MTG was anti-Israel first? Not because of the genocide, but because she’s a white supremacist anti-Semite? Yay MTG
I honestly don’t care why our representatives do what they do, I care about the material impact of the legislation they pass.
Example: If a Quiverfull MAGA crazy decides we need to fund childcare because women are just baby machines and childcare means they have more utilities to fight the “white genocide”. Fine. It’s fucking gross but let’s get childcare in place and move to the next issue. All we have to do is make sure it applies to everyone equally.
This is how you get stuff done.
The difference is I’m not looking to someone like MTG to lead, so the fact that her abhorrent methodology to arrive at the correct outcome is a canary in the coal mine compared to AOC who I am looking to lead based on moral convictions to fight difficult fights when needed.
Well she had her come-to-white-Jesus moment at the same time as she was resigning, so she’s not passing any legislation for you
Why are you talking at me like I support her?
Because to Blue MAGA, any criticism of a Democrat makes you the same as a conservative.
True horseshoe conisours.
I can’t speak for the person you are replying to, but I know that I’m constantly critical of the Democratic party. I get called “BlueMAGA” for saying people are stupid for sitting out in 2024 instead of voting for Kamala. It’s bullshit.
It’s a thought-terminating cliche. It doesn’t have any actual meaning, so they just use it as a cudgel to end discussion whenever anyone pushes back against their vapid bullshit.
Stop trying to make fetch happen
Okay that’s just a cope. MTG was pro-Israel until 2025 while also being a raging antisemite; tying her current anti-Israel position to her antisemitism rather than political opportunism is, as I said, a cope to distract from AOC’s failure to do the same.
AOC included, but overall this criticism best applies to the overall Democratic party. In the game of politics, despite of what we know about MTG, yes, she outflanked the Democratic party on the genocidal Israel issue.
jfc, like, click the fucking link. Just click the fucking link. Its queued to the time stamp you need to be reminded of what happened regarding these votes. Its right fucking there. Just click it.
I can’t help people not knowing or remember what happened during house debates in 2021. I’m sorry if your memory isn’t good enough to remember what happened in the house four years ago. She switched her vote from No to Present in a 2021 package for funding Israel’s Iron Dome. She also voted for the resolution which redefined criticism of Israel as anti-antisemitism. Even later she voted against an amendment (led by MTG) to defund Israels Iron Dome. That last one specifically was her getting outflanked by MTG, because later, AOC goes on to vote against the entire bill.
This is how AOC justified it at the time:
This ends up being a completely unforced error since she went on to vote against the entire bill. Instead of taking a strong stance and being on the right side of an issue out the gate, she comes out as calculating, both sides, and then ultimately votes against when it wouldn’t stop it anyways.
Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, Summer lee: They didn’t make those mistakes. AOC is pivoting, which is good. AOC was not good in acting as part of a unified front against the funding of a zionist genocide.
Say what you want about MTG, but she’s staying ahead of the messaging these days.
That’s easy to do when you’re full of shit
Again, she’s full of shit, but she did outflank AOC on this issue.
Feel free to explain how
The Dems are still clutching onto their AIPAC funds, aren’t they? Still fervently defending and funding Israel?
AOC is only now pivoting to the correct position. MTG got there before her.
Oh for fuck sake. So now we’ve got a bunch of people simultaneously talking down AOC for failing a purity test, and praising MTG? The fuck is wrong with you people?
No, I am praising AOC for finally getting her messaging right and acknowledging that even MTG got there before AOC did.
This is so typically you, zero explanation of what you mean, just more bullshit.
WTF? How was AOC flanked by MTG? That’s not a concept. You are absolutely useless to debate, it always leads nowhere with you.
This is outright false, there is no link in the post I responded to, also who the fuck would want to listen to an audio link for a simple point? A point you never care to substantiate, apart from some broad statement, that to me seems absolutely false and moronic.
The link is further up. Here it is again: https://youtu.be/pfECtut0STg?t=250
I’ve done it no fewer than 4 times in this thread. Dig around. AOC’s own words validates my claim. Its a good thing she’s changed, which is what this article was about, but she had a wrong position to begin with. And yes, MTG did outflank her on this, which is a strike against AOC’s ability to read the room. At the time, it came across as calculating and conniving. Even more strongly now.
Its a good thing AOC pivoted to this stance, but its a good pivot, if late and show poor political instincts.
This has zero bearing on your claim that MTG outflanked democrats and AOC, it’s like you are switching to a completely different debate.
Yes I agree AOC was late in realizing how bad Israel is, and has been for a long time, like in decades. But at least she and other Democrats are beginning to wake up.
Also to the defense of AOC, what she supported was a defensive system.
You shouldn’t be defending this act of hers. She was wrong when she supported it, and defending her is wrong now. If you are commenting or engaging in politics just to be a standard bearer or water carrier, you should disengage from the process because you do real damage in doing so.
No, it doesn’t, because its extremely relevant to AOC’s ability to form and execute on a political calculus. AOC getting outflanked by MTG isn’t up for debate, its just a thing that happened. Its quite literally the article we’re reading, that AOC has now adopted the stance that MTG outflanked her with, the unilateral disarmament of Israel. AOC shouldn’t have allowed MTG to get there first; it speaks to AOC’s questionable political instincts. If AOC is gunning for the top slot, she needs to get to the right position first, not later than someone like MTG.
It seems the blueMAGA are really hating this one. God it’s been a while since I used this word.
This is the first time I’ve seen the phrase blueMAGA. I can imagine what it means and I’m curious which (democratic) politicians most fit the bill, in yours and others opinions.
It’s liberals that are Blue MAGA. They want to keep the status quo, they just want Dems running the oligarchy instead of Republicans. These would be the unrelenting supporters of Clinton and Harris and Biden.
So would Bernie Sanders and AOC be considered “liberals” or is there a better term?
Neither Bernie or AOC are liberals. Both are explicitly either Democratic Socialist or progressive.
Bernie is a Democratic Socialist and AOC identifies as one as well.
It can’t apply to Democratic politicians, because the phrase refers to someone who blindly supports the Dem establishment/Democratic politicians in general much like MAGA Republicans blindly support Trump (that’s what the MAGA part is about). If a Democratic politician blindly supported the establishment, they’d just be a member of the establishment.
It’s not a real thing.
I guess its time I bring this one back:
BlueMAGA considers it a war-crime to be critical of Democrats, even if you support them.
vOtE bLuE nO mAtTeR wHo!!!@!~
“99% Hitler (D) is obviously preferable to 100% Hitler ®. If you’re not willing to vote for 99% Hitler (D), then you’re in favor of everything 100% Hitler ® does!”
eight years later
“99.9% Hitler (D) is obviously preferable to 100% Hitler ®. If you’re not willing to vote for 99.9% Hitler (D), then you’re in favor of everything 100% Hitler ® does!”
eight years later
“99.999% Hitler (D) is obviously preferable to 100% Hitler ®. If you’re not willing to vote for 99.999% Hitler (D), then you’re in favor of everything 100% Hitler ® does!”
Death by a thousand cuts. At least Republicans will look you in the face when they call for your extermination.
She is definitely not strong on foreign policy, this much was apparent when she spoke on complicated on complex issues at the Munich Security Conference and struggled to be fully coherent.
But there’s still time for her to hone it. What was her path to getting here?
How is refusing further involvement with Israel a middle ground? She is absolutely saying NO to Israel.
After previously voting to approve funding for the Iron Dome.
It’s true; she did vote last year, and openly stated, that she for funding Israel’s defense, and received a lot of backlash and criticism for it. Thankfully she’s started to take the right response to the issue now, but it was super poorly handled at the time because she doubled down not realizing that’s about as good being open to funding the defense for Nazi Germany.
I like AOC, and think she’s a great fit for the senate, but I often criticise her political instincts at this point in her career.
Similar sentiment here. It does no one any good to pretend like her recent pivot is how she has acted the entire time.
I’m hopeful that she continues on this new path.
Something as serious as defending taiwan against the second economic and military power china is not something you can talk about without days of reflection. I find ridiculous to be so hard on her for that specific question
Their problem isn’t with her position per se, but with how she chooses her position. Trying to create a middle path where one side is insert evil thing is too common with AOC, is (how I interpreted) the point.
Exactly. Its the calculating. I find it extremely reminiscent of how Pelosi did buisness.
Oh I’m specifically talking about the MTG proposal, and how AOC instead of leading on the issue, got outflanked by MTG, then voted present (basically “supportive” of defensive weapons, because she didn’t vote in favor of the MTG proposal, interpreted as acting in favor of Israel), then ultimately voting against the full bill.
Basically, she hit all the wrong beats in all the wrong order. Mike breaks it down in greater detail here.
Among the pack, AOC should have been leading Rashida and Omar. Instead AOC got outflanked on the left during the debate phase, to ultimately vote against the resolution. It just shows an inability to read the moment, an inability to lead, and a kind of calculating nature that I think many Americans, truly can-not-stand. Its that Obama/ Clintonian/ Pelosi/ Schumber type of calculating, where instead of doing the morally right thing, even if unpopular, is an afterthought.
It’s like you freak play “fantasy football” with this shit.
It only looks that way to the utterly politically illiterate.
Yes. AOC has corrected for a mistake she made in the past. It doesn’t make up for how she made the mistake, but it does show she is willing to correct/ is responsive to critisism, both of which are important qualities in a Democratic party Presidential hopeful. She ticked up a bit because she showed the ability to change (not because of the article).
And if you don’t like politics or news… How about just stfu and go cruise other stuff on lemmy? You aren’t obligated to read every horse race article/ political beat article if its not interesting to you and not something you follow or try to understand. You dont’ have to have an opinion here.
You’re going to vote for Tucker Carlson for president someday.
You blueMaggots are why Trump won in 2016 and 2024.
No, I voted against him while you threw your vote away. Everything that is happening now is your fault.
RemindMe! 31 months
RemindMe! 79 months
If you didn’t advocate for a better candidate or for the candidate to adopt better positions, you did the work to get Trump elected.
That’s a big “if” that you don’t know the answer to.
What was your rationale for not voting for Harris on Nov. 5? To teach us all a lesson?
Did you advocate for a better candidate or for the candidate to take a better position? If so, please show the class.
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You have no idea what I did or didn’t do. But even a cursory view of your comment history shows that you are an avowed blue-Maga zionist, who worked tirelessly to ensure the DNC remained pro-israel.
The state of the country: Its your fault and its how all of history will remember you. You are why Trump won, because you wouldnt demand better. The genocide in Israel the the US funded, Kids in Cages, Totalitarian police states: You are completely fine with all of that as long as the Blue team is winning.
And thats the difference. I oppose those things regardless of which team is promoting them. And this is written at this point. The whole world knows you for what you are now and your side lost any semblance of control of the narrative when your masks slipped in 2024. Your just a fascist in a blue hat.
You have no idea how any of us voted and it’s absurd to assume.
Please stop stalking me
We’re in the same thread.