“I’m just ashamed that this bill even came into fruition,” a Lexington council member said.
The bill also gives people the ability to justify use of “defensive force” upon an unhoused person in instances of criminal trespass, including “unlawful camping” on the owner’s property. This would allow property owners to use deadly force against unhoused people on their property without facing criminal consequences.
Sounds like Kyle Rittenhouse is gonna get his mom to drive him to Kentucky. Seriously though, this is fucking disgusting legislation. Homeless people are dehumanized enough but Kentucky is on the verge of legalizing hunting them for sport. What vile pieces of shit those 45 Republican co-sponsors are.
So they can kill squatters? Next step, people who are late on rent?
Sure! Then they can have an estate sale so they can recoup their “losses!”
/s because I’m pretty sure it’s needed, sadly
You put an S but I would not be surprised in the least.
What the smart psychopaths will do is march up to them with a gun and provoke the squatter to try to block it. Now they “fear for their life” and steadily force is justified. Pull a Rittenhouse.
This is supposed to be absurd commentary but…it doesn’t even feel too far off
"Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
-Some Socialist Groomer Theater Kid
I’d bet any amount of money that most of not all of this bill’s co-sponsors profess (at least surrounding election time) to a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and a striving to be more Christlike. And all of them seemingly impervious to cognitive dissonance.
I’m an atheist who believes strongly in separation of church and state, but I would dearly love for this to be appended to the law as an amendment. The place is already a theocratic nuthouse so might as well use that to do some good for a change.
Well The Onion is damn near prophetic sometimes.
https://www.theonion.com/nextdoor-user-comes-right-out-and-asks-if-it-okay-to-se-1851137007
Also: Fuck you Republicans.
There used to be a subreddit called /theonionwasright
I dunno if it’s still there.
It was renamed to ‘news’.
It was renamed to ‘news’.
Very concise, and a good laugh to be had.
Let’s do this
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Well The Onion is damn near prophetic sometimes.
Got a chuckle out of the article when I read this part…
At press time, a fierce debate had broken out in the post’s comments after detractors warned the blaze would be too loud.
From what I’ve seen of people talking about the homeless, that’s absolutely what the problem would be.
oh look Republicans wanting to kill Americans again
No one is safe, unless they haven’t been born yet.
They are killing the mothers of the unborn, so dunno about that.
And plenty of them want another civil war, the original one killed more Americans than each other war up to Vietnam combined.
This proposed law also has a three strikes law in it. Life in prison without parole for 3 felonies.
Also, apparently child defendants aren’t allowed to have a jury? That’s not highlighted, so it’s current law there.
This entire thing is an authoritarian wet dream. Create outlaws, and then turn them into slaves or bodies.
It also bans charitable organizations from paying more than $5000 in bail.
For violent felonies, it doesn’t allow them to pay bail at all.
Which means anyone could provoke anyone to violence and they would be jailed with no hope of escape. Including ostensibly a homeless person by destroying their stuff.
Ya know the concept that one must take unreasonable actions in an unreasonable situation comes to mind. If someone gets into a fight for example, they may just default into “accidentally” killing the person so that they can write the narritive for example.
This bullshit is only going to continue until we all band together and do something about those motherfuckers.
Making rash moves can easily backfire in times like these, better to take small precise moves than large random ones. In eliminating one threat you may create a martyr or galvanize ones enemies while weaking oneself. Just look at the German spartacists to see how well rash moves can backfire.
Who said anything about doing anything rash?
🤔 Protesting in the major cities would probably do a lot to draw negative attention toward the bill and its sponsors, and hopefully get it dumped.
Children arent allowed to have juries in other states too. I got told repeatedly during my Juvenile case that children don’t have rights. They fucked me good for a miniscule amount of Marijuana. I’m talking, fucking years of my childhood. I don’t want to say the state because it might out my identity but I’ll give you a hint, its another shithole state that comes to mind when you think of fucking cousins, much like Kentucky. Glad to be out of that part of the country forever now.
Why do we hate our children so? I’m sorry you went through that.
Had similar late childhood. Put on probation for weed possession, then would get locked up for every minor infraction. A local police officer would follow me around whenever he saw me, make up excuses for pulling me over, and search my car. Got locked up for 6 months for being 30 minutes late to school once… because I got pulled over on the way to school. I’m guessing there was some kind of graft going on with the probation officers, judges, and detention centers, because they would give out such long sentences for such minor offenses.
You see, Republicans want to protect children so clearly they cannot be seen by a dangerous jury.
I’m really hoping there’s another area of law that says kids can’t be put in prison or if they are then they do need a jury.
But realistically I’m waiting for the whole parenting responsibility of the state argument to drop.
I was homeless just North of their border so the police here in Ohio set me up with a fake felony to keep me in jail. A dude stopped his truck in front of me while I was Doordashing, cornered me into a fist fight, and then told the police I hit him with my car. The people in the car behind me also backed him up. It never happened, so why was it so simple for me to be locked in jail indefinitely with my and lawyer telling me COVID suspended the fair and speedy trial? I cannot handle being in a noisy environment and have avoidant personality disorder, so I eventually caved to the plea deal. Now here I am nearly 2 years out with an ok job and my own place but I need to come up with $1100 before the end of the month for my fines or go back to court.
I’m convinced they’re just trying to create a slave class. If you are an easy target, they’ll take you and mark your record so you have to be cheap labor for three upper class.
I’m sorry our society failed you and wish you the best for the future.
I gotta say it.
Ok Boomer.
Society has failed everyone. It’s just that most people don’t see it.
I’m sorry but yeah your situation sucks if it’s true, but I don’t know really what you expect the court to do if there are multiple witnesses saying this happened.
Prove it. Can’t prove what didn’t happen? Apparently we now gotta indefinitely jail someone until they give up. /s
I’m not saying indefinitely jail them, but that’s a serious accusation, and if there are witnesses then I can see why a jury would be convinced. Of course it’s ridiculous you didn’t get a speedy trial, but I think it’s pretty fair to jail someone over that accusation.
A jury wasn’t convinced. They wouldn’t let me have a jury. They wouldn’t let me in the court room until I agreed to their bullshit.
How it is people could possibly believe in the legitimacy of legal systems knowing how they only make it easier for evil people to victimize others instead of protecting them is beyond me.
I am so sorry for what you went through.
It’s easy. Nobody gets to see what actually happened. They see what Fox news tells them and nothing of what goes on in the Hamilton county jail. More than likely nobody is even interested. They either have their own problems or are comfortable enough im their life to think I deserved what I got. There’s even people who are such rent seekers that they think I deserved it simply by virtue of not paying to live in a house.
Nobody is gonna help me except my roommate.
I admit there probably isn’t much anyone here can do either, but you have my sympathy, friend, and my understanding. Please, keep your head up. We are in tyranny right now, but we have to believe that the world will turn and things will get better. We have to believe, because that belief is the only thing that will keep us going so we can see that better world.
We believe you and support you.
I feel like the biggest issue is what would amount to homeless corralling, and if they violated the law by living outside the designated zone, they’d be fined. The state knows they wouldn’t be able to pay, and thus 90+ days of prison labor.
“The proposed legislation grants cities the authority to designate specific areas for unhoused individuals. If individuals are found outside of the designated area, residing in a tent, hut, temporary shelter, or vehicle with the intention to sleep, they may face misdemeanor charges, leading to a fine of $5,000 and a potential imprisonment of up to 90 days.”
Don’t get me wrong, the deadly force bits are definitely worse, but I feel like what I quoted above is the true motivation.
Your vehicle is your private property, so this is saying a legally parked person on their own private property who intends to fall asleep can be punished with a 5k fine and 90 days in jail.
No more going out to your car over break to take a nap.
Or pulling over on a long drive
They’ll jail people who sleep at rest stops, too. :(
Excuse me?? Isn’t that why they exist to rest.
The way the law is written, yeah. Rest stops on highways aren’t designated camping areas, so if you sleep there on a road trip, you could potentially wind up in jail.
There’s is no way the layman could even be aware of a law like this. I know ignorance isn’t an excuse but most laws are command fucking sense. Clear rights violation of I was in the courts.
There’s a word for what they’re doing.
It’s called tyranny.
There is a simple test to determine if someone is living in their car and in violation or taking a nap and legally ok.
Do they look homeless or are they a minority? Also known as “White is right.” test or “You know porn or art when you see it.” test. No need to add additional training to properly enforce the law, previous transferrable training is standard.
Ah, so the Sanctuary Cities that preceed the Bell Riots.
Ah, so the Sanctuary Cities that preceed the Bell Riots
Funny how reality mimics fiction, or more accurately, fiction predicts future reality.
Hmmm. This feels eerily similar to an episode of star trek deep space nine.
Hmmm. This feels eerily similar to an episode of star trek deep space nine.
I was just thinking about the Bell riots when I read that comment as well.
Concentration camps for homeless people
😡😡😡 🤦🤦🤦
I bet the creators of this law claim to be Christian & mistakenly think they are going to spend eternity in Heaven.
It always amazes me that so many self-professed Christians have almost as much disrespect for their religion as I do.
I bet the creators of this law claim to be Christian
I bet they also claim to be “pro life”…
Pro-life = pro-forced birth.
Oops wrong god
Laws like this are how republicans hide the evidence of ruinous policy decisions: the people whose lives are destroyed are swept of to prison where they cant vote or be seen.
Bad Samaritans
Kill a person I don’t like… drag them into tent into my back yard… claim it was leagal deadly force against the unhoused on my land.
The perfect murder.
And this is the most disgusting thing I’ve read today. The world’s moving in a great direction /s
The most disgusting thing you’ve read so far today
So true…
Not that the unhoused deserve this–it’s vile, violent, and fascist.
Not that this bill will pass, even in Kentucky, or be upheld by the courts, even in Kentucky.
But the fact that this decriminalizes shooting homeless people for anyone means that 100% someone would use it to shoot their neighbor, probably on purpose, while claiming they thought he was homeless.
The cynic in me sees this as a clear play to jostle the Overton Window. Sure this won’t pass, but will the people who suggested it face consequences? How much heat actually comes their way?
Now they’ve checked the temperature and got away with it, they can try some other reprehensible thing and see if the backlash is manageable.
Repeat until hell on earth.
True. There are quite a few people who are actively looking for a legal loophole to kill someone. Preferably a minority, but they might not be that picky. You can find lots of these people on gun forums.
The party of “Pro-Life”…
The bill also gives people the ability to justify use of “defensive force” upon an unhoused person in instances of criminal trespass, including “unlawful camping” on the owner’s property. This would allow property owners to use deadly force against unhoused people on their property without facing criminal consequences.
I hope this bill has some “defensive force” applied to it before it becomes a law.
I hope the people who vote for this end up homeless, so they can experience “defensive force” personally.
Imagine if this passed.
If you kick your SO out of your house, and they agree to leave, they’re now instantly unhoused, right? And your honor, they brought all their stuff and were sleeping on my property.
Could landlords come in, swat style, and execute you the moment eviction procedures go through?
If someone is not inside a house, are they not unhoused? If their house burned down 5 minutes ago they certainly no longer have a house. If anyone is not in sight of their house, they could plausibly be unhoused, whether they know it or not. Besides, there’s no way for you to know their housing status. So all campers on your property sound like fair game.
What constitutes camping? Being inside a tent? Sleeping? Bringing stuff onto the property? If a company sets up a party tent at the wrong address, could you mow them down?
They did define it in the law.
But I don’t expect anyone who’d shoot a person for being homeless to read it.
That reminds me of when I was a kid, and asked if I could see the book where they have all the laws. My parents were confused and looked at me like I was crazy
I still think it’s absolutely insane that they can take away your freedom or your life for breaking rules that we learn through gossip
Yeah. The entire system is setup to just obey orders without critical thinking.
They won’t
That’s what those ‘defence rifles’ are used for. Got it.
After reading the article, it’s 100% about creating a slavery pool. Murdering hobos is just icing on the cake.
That sounds like very bloody icing. I don’t think I want that icing
unconstitutional but since when have the “law and order” police not pissed on that piece of paper?
Pissing on the Constitution is what the dogwhistle “law and order” has always meant.
