As long as we Communists are unable to take over state power and hold elections, with working people alone voting for their Soviets against the bourgeoisie; as long as the bourgeoisie exercise state power and call upon the different classes of the population to take part in the elections, we are in duty bound to take part in the elections with the purpose of conducting agitation among all working people, not only among proletarians. Lenin
It’s the most pragmatic way to continue the agitation. If Trump wins, it will become more difficult for socialists to gain entry into government.
Part of the activist left is absolutely voting for Biden; anyone who’s been working for progress in this country and actively working and experiencing success and failure and the hard work that goes with it would I think easily able to see that letting Trump come to power would be such a severe and wide ranging setback to so many of the things they’ve been working for, and the action of just showing up one morning is so trivial in comparison to a lot of the other things they have to do for years to even move the needle by a tiny amount’s worth of difference, that it’s a no brainer.
I think there’s a significant grouping, also, that’s so horrified by his enabling of a genocide that they don’t plan to vote for him. But, their main focus right now is on putting pressure on the Democrats to stop their support for Israel (with apparently a certain small amount of success), and on direct action against the war, not really specifically anything focused on the general election except for a general feeling of disgust at the Democrats.
Depending on what you mean by “hard left,” you may or may not mean those groupings, and may instead mean some other people on the internet who are super vocal (and often seem weirdly fixated on criticizing Biden for a variety of reasons honest or dishonest, not just the war, and on the vital importance of people not voting for him, much more so than other left activist things that they seem not to be as interested in.)
Can’t stand genocide? Vote in the man who will support the genocide with enthusiasm, and try and start a genocide here to match! Good thing you didn’t vote for someone who at least feels shitty about it, then what would have happened? Pressure on Isreal to stop? No genocide in the US? That bastard!!!
There is no option for “not genocide” at this juncture. There’s “genocide with a leash” and “genocide with no leash”. If you want something else, it has to start 2-4 years ago.
Now, I don’t want to keep voting this way. Which means when this election is up, there needs to be a concerted push for more fundamental change. Nationwide ranked choice voting is a start, but that alone won’t be enough, either.
You genocide lovers just can’t get enough genocide. The invasion in Gaza isn’t enough for you, you guys just have to get Trump into the Oval office so you guys can really ramp things up.
The hard left isn’t voting for Biden lol
They should:
It’s the most pragmatic way to continue the agitation. If Trump wins, it will become more difficult for socialists to gain entry into government.
There’s a world of difference between taking part in the elections and voting specifically for Joe Biden. 🙄
supporting trump lol
Part of the activist left is absolutely voting for Biden; anyone who’s been working for progress in this country and actively working and experiencing success and failure and the hard work that goes with it would I think easily able to see that letting Trump come to power would be such a severe and wide ranging setback to so many of the things they’ve been working for, and the action of just showing up one morning is so trivial in comparison to a lot of the other things they have to do for years to even move the needle by a tiny amount’s worth of difference, that it’s a no brainer.
I think there’s a significant grouping, also, that’s so horrified by his enabling of a genocide that they don’t plan to vote for him. But, their main focus right now is on putting pressure on the Democrats to stop their support for Israel (with apparently a certain small amount of success), and on direct action against the war, not really specifically anything focused on the general election except for a general feeling of disgust at the Democrats.
Depending on what you mean by “hard left,” you may or may not mean those groupings, and may instead mean some other people on the internet who are super vocal (and often seem weirdly fixated on criticizing Biden for a variety of reasons honest or dishonest, not just the war, and on the vital importance of people not voting for him, much more so than other left activist things that they seem not to be as interested in.)
sure, vote 3rd party or skip voting and hand the entire election to Trump on a silver platter.
Cry more and support genocide.
Can’t stand genocide? Vote in the man who will support the genocide with enthusiasm, and try and start a genocide here to match! Good thing you didn’t vote for someone who at least feels shitty about it, then what would have happened? Pressure on Isreal to stop? No genocide in the US? That bastard!!!
Yeah, cause getting Trump elected is going to have SO MUCH BETTER outcome for the Palestinian people. Sure.
There is no option for “not genocide” at this juncture. There’s “genocide with a leash” and “genocide with no leash”. If you want something else, it has to start 2-4 years ago.
Now, I don’t want to keep voting this way. Which means when this election is up, there needs to be a concerted push for more fundamental change. Nationwide ranked choice voting is a start, but that alone won’t be enough, either.
There’s no leash. The choice is between competent genocide and stupid genocide.
You genocide lovers just can’t get enough genocide. The invasion in Gaza isn’t enough for you, you guys just have to get Trump into the Oval office so you guys can really ramp things up.