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I don’t know if this is conservatism anymore. My Grandfather was conservative, and he was an engineer. He would have loathed the amount of misinformation and straight up lies being flung around these days. As much as his views were disagreeable, he never tried to manipulate or lie to anybody and always wanted to get to the truth of things. This is something else.
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Well said!
Very well said.
I think it’s also worth mentioning that conservatism is an inherently reactionary and counter-revolutionary ideology: it is primarily concerned with protecting the powerful by entrenching privilege and maintaining the structural oppression of the underclasses.
Yea basically you don’t accept “states rights” blindly unless you’re willing to overlook “other things” and accept them in the back of your mind.
What you look past is more telling than what you say.
I don’t know if this is conservatism anymore.
It’s a return to what conservatism always was.
It’s regressivism now
I don’t believe actual conservatism exists anymore.
That’s why I call those clowns “servatives.” Take the “con” out of “conservative” and you get “servative.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower was a conservative.
Sounds like your grandpa might have been conservative as in slow to change.
Nowadays, conservative in politics means deepthroating fascism.
Conservatism has always been authoritarian. The notion of “slow to change” has only ever been a fig leaf to obfuscate that fact.
Capitalism was always destined to progress to an advanced terminal stage.
I’ve not heard the Democratic Party demand a balance between themselves and Republicans as a policy plank. Even if an individual had done so, It seems foolhardy to blame a large tent of fairly reasonable people for the incestuousness that has become conservatism.
This is why conservativism is just not compatible with democracy.
You can’t have a society that adapts to a changing world and growing understanding of reality if people’s political ideology boils down to “We need to ignore new information and instead keep trying the failed ideas of the past.”
These two statements do not logically follow each other. There’s nothing inherent to democracy that makes Progressivism necessary
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You can’t have a democracy run under the idea that things can always stay the same.
Literally untrue. You seem to have a very idealistic definition of what a democracy is. Democracies can follow any policies they want, as long as they’re based on the popular vote of the people.
Inherent to democracy, no. Inherent to a well-functioning society in a world where changing circumstances are inevitable, yes.
Yes? That’s a completely different statement though.
I think it’s safe to assume that a person wants their society to function smoothly. But yes, I suppose it is technically different.
Conservatism isn’t compatible with a lot of things in the modern age: social programs, military industrial complex during arms races spanning decades, late-stage capitalism in a social Republic…etc. I wouldn’t say Democracy in general though.
Also, these whack jobs are not Conservatives with a capital ‘C’, they are Radicalized Religious Zealots at a minimum. They think their way is the “right way”, and are on some mission to ensure everyone else gets on board, or else. It’s how they approach everything.
The nutty thing about Candace Owens is that as much as she is a liar and scammer, she’s just jumping into the deep end with all these people who are working against her own best interests. She’s not completely stupid, so she must realize this, but refuses to be deterred because she thinks she will somehow benefit in the end. To what end that is for her, who knows. She’s working hard to enable a bunch of racist, misogynistic, assholes though, but she’s also profiting from it and couldn’t care less about who she’s impacting elsewhere with her vitriolic bullshit.
Also, these whack jobs are not Conservatives with a capital ‘C’, they are Radicalized Religious Zealots at a minimum
Yes, there are degrees of commitment, but the normie conservatives are still enabling the extremists and play a key part in the progression from democracy to fascism, you can’t just flip from democracy to a fascist state, you need “respectable” conservatives to start to ease people towards the notion. There’s still no value in their conservative leanings, even if it’s watered down.
I don’t want any lead in my water ideally, even if slight amounts aren’t immediately harmful, the lead traces in the water has no benefit regardless of the degree.
It worked out for Dave rubin. Wait, no it didn’t. And then he doubled down on hate speech so people would forget he was gay and having surrogate kids.
Radicalized Religious Zealots
Run of the mill, average religious people. Religion is one of the many reasons the working class must never disarm. The cult followers literally cannot help themselves. At some point, they all will work to make their delusions your reality.
Well that’s not true. I know plenty of religious people who don’t give a shit about what other people do or believe, and that’s the standard. Anyone who is out trying to recruit, guilt, or force fear onto others in the name of religion is absolutely just a Zealot (capital “Z”), and that is not the standardnof behavior for what I would say is most people.
There’s certainly something about the Southern US that really churns these pieces of shit out like a factory though.
You are in a abusive relationship with the democratic party. You are a domestic abuse victim.
And the Republicans burnt your house down every once in a while.
Smile, for you are fully represented by the greatest democracy on planet earth! Feeling free yet?
We are all in an abusive relationship with our government here in the US. For some reason we are accepting being lied to, gaslight, and manipulated by our ruling class.
For all their faults the Democratic party is the only one doing something about it. From trying to hold police responsible to protecting our most vulnerable people.
Meanwhile Maga is repealing transparency laws, taking away women’s rights, and othering people at an alarming pace.
The two side of the same coin rhetoric grows old and at this point is only here to blur the lines and continue to give conservatives control due to apathy.
For some reason we are accepting being lied to, gaslight, and manipulated by our ruling class.
We have been bred to be moral. To NOT accept abuse and lies implies to fight. And fighting is never considered moral. To fight you have to admit there is a conflict (your interests vs the billionaires aka “the owner class”), then escalate the already existing conflict, do lots of deeds considered atrocious by society, etc.
Morality, like religion, is a conservative policy meant to protect the status quo at all costs. That’s why no one ever went to jail for preaching or exercising morality. If morality could change the status quo, it would be prohibited and punished.
The abuse comes from this comment.
You don’t recognize democracy and like to abuse people as a result.
It’s less than ideal, but is still preferable to many places, if for no other reason than its potential for reform. We still have some insight into things like campaign finance for now, which makes it possible to fight from an informed position.
I’m actually not that committed to the Democratic party itself, but you’re right that they’re abusive. Acting politically based on the division between conservative and progressive, regardless of any label a politician might self-apply, helps clarify the way forward for me. As far as my mental model of the political landscape goes, conservative/neoliberal democrats are quarantined off with the GOP, they’re the same in terms of their potential to produce lasting change. I’m not going to support an AIPAC democrat the same way I’m not going to ever support a MAGA conservative.
But yeah, our democracy is functioning incredibly poorly at the moment.
LOL. She converted to Catholicism? Wait until she finds out the originator of the big bang theory was a scientist who was also a Catholic priest. Then again she probably knows more about being Catholic than the Holy See (which she probably thinks is a body of water in Rome)
I describe Candace Owens as a “moron.”
That’s being polite
Science is a religion in the same sense as not playing golf is a hobby.
Science is a religion in the same way that golf is a religion. It’s not, but it’s easy to see how one might get the wrong idea by listening to the rhetoric of its most enthusiastic admirers and not looking too closely at the actual thing they’re talking about.
Let’s have a contest. Let’s see who can get to the moon first. She can build temples, and churches, make sacrifices at holy shrines, and get thousands and thousands of people to pray for her to get there. Me, I’ll take a rocket built by scientists.
She couldn’t even get across an ocean or to the top of the highest mountains on Earth with nothing but religion. She couldn’t even feed her drivel to her
victims, sorry, listeners if scientists hadn’t developed the various technologies used to send her words and images to them.Guess I’m just a filthy pagan then.
I’m rather a pagan than christian.
So are many Christians. Pagan practices were merged into Christianity around 300 AD. They celebrate Christmas near the winter solstice even though Jesus was reportedly born in late September. The Christmas tree was taken from the Pagan tradition of Yuletide. The three days between Good Friday and Easter Sunday were originally intended to correlate with the path of Venus during the spring equinox, mirroring the resurrection in the story of Ishtar.
That’s ok, I describe conservative as pig fucker.
If we’re just making up meanings for words, they may as well be more descriptive.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Candace Owens has described science as a “pagan faith,” after saying she had been reading literature supporting the theory that Earth is flat, rather than spherical.
Owens made the statement on Monday’s episode of Candace, the podcast she launched last month following her exit from the Daily Wire in March.
Explaining her stance, Owens, who recently announced that she had converted to Catholicism, took aim at, among other things, COVID-19 vaccines and safety measures that were implemented at the height of the pandemic.
Owens proceeded to play a clip of controversial influencer Andrew Tate, in which he expressed his own distrust of scientific data during the COVID-19 pandemic.
Owens said that she was open to reading literature on flat-Earth theory not because she believed in a flat Earth, but because she disbelieved “the notion that science is ever settled.”
“It just keeps turning out that if you follow the Bible and believe in biblical scripture, your life gets better and better and better,” added Owens, who recently said a “Christian holocaust” was taking place around the world.
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“the notion that science is ever settled.”
The whole point of science is that it’s never settled, and that there’s always something new to learn.
Utterly moronic of her.
[rant] How can we explain to a pitiful, helpless person that a concept is above their mental capacities without triggering stupid bickering ? That’s mission impossible already … but if on top, we are in front of a popular, rich and young person, then, even “god” if she(he) existed, would abdicate.
holy hell she is an insufferable grifter. fits right into that party.
But like it’s not faith it’s literally facts and logic
Whelp if science is a religion, at least our pastors aren’t covering up for child-molestation.
But seriously though, even when not being grifters, it’s like as though conservatives just never developed a theory of mind - they can’t process the idea of people who don’t possess some kind of dogmatic faith.
Some people prefer to follow where the evidence leads, rather than what the pastor says.
I’m unable to articulate the natural reaction that I have when somebody tries to sell me garbage. I can’t articulate it when somebody explains to me, ‘Well, the moon landings definitely happened.’"
Owens continued: “I’m just like, no, I don’t know. Instinctually, it just doesn’t register to me. Just feels like that is a lie. And I’ve realized that I’ve been thinking deeply about this, this pagan cult that we exist in. It is backed by a false science deity. That is what it is. It is the science. This is the new god.”
So she just “instinctively” doesn’t believe stuff that “feels” like a lie, and this proof that everyone else worships the “science deity.” No mention of the giant rocket that left the surface of the earth and the video footage of both that and the surface of the moon itself?
This is the fundamental problem with this type of thinking. Sure you have some aspect of faith (I wasn’t there, can’t 100% confirm the authenticity of the footage myself), but it’s clearly based on quite a solid piece of evidence. Dismissing that, on the other hand, is literally based on faith, her faith that this footage is fake based on no evidence whatsoever.
I contribute that, maybe, to coming from the school of hard knocks," she said, adding, “I am grateful for having gone through the school of hard knocks because you are required to have an element of common sense in order to survive.”
The “school of hard knocks” apparently does not have a good science program.
I only read this article to work out why she specified “pagan” and I still have no idea.
Sure you have some aspect of faith (I wasn’t there, can’t 100% confirm the authenticity of the footage myself), but it’s clearly based on quite a solid piece of evidence.
Except that you don’t need to have “faith” that this happened, you are able to verify it yourself!! There were reflectors left on the moon that you can shine a significantly strong laser to and have it reflected back if you have a sensor that can pick it back up.
THAT is the point of peer review. To prove that the results in the experiments are reproducible by those using the same equipment, and that faith isn’t a requirement - that anyone can verify it and reproduce it.
How would those man-made reflectors have gotten there if not for man going to the moon and placing them there?
There were reflectors left on the moon that you can shine a significantly strong laser to and have it reflected back if you have a sensor that can pick it back up.
Yeah this is the huge issue for moon landing deniers. Also they have pictures of the landing site from the lunar reconnaissance orbiter, not that “school of hard knocks” alumni would believe that anyway (I tried once, did not convince them).
I was mainly using it as an example of how you could argue there was an element of “faith” at play, being generous. But of course you are right.
No mention of the giant rocket that left the surface of the earth and the video footage of both that and the surface of the moon itself?
This is why conservatism and conspiracy go hand-in-hand. You can’t believe the things that “feel” true if the “true” truths keep interfering with this pesky reality.
The natural reaction actually has a name, it’s called being stupid.
Willful ignorance is even better since she is defensive about her stupidity and refuses to learn or accept new things.
Ya, and maybe only to trick stupid people to like her, buy her stuff or some other marketing shenanigans.
I’m unable to articulate the natural reaction that I have when somebody tries to sell me garbage. I can’t articulate it when somebody explains to me, ‘Well, the moon landings definitely happened.’"
Owens continued: “I’m just like, no, I don’t know. Instinctually, it just doesn’t register to me. Just feels like that is a lie. And I’ve realized that I’ve been thinking deeply about this, this pagan cult that we exist in. It is backed by a false science deity. That is what it is. It is the science. This is the new god.”
Oh, so what she’s saying is she’s stupid and is admitting to being stupid.
Oh OK next time she or one of her loved ones(does she have any? lol) gets sick they can just “thoughts and pray” their way to recovery, n pagan hospitals medicine or doctors allowed right? Fcuk these people
