Pete doesn’t actually get things done, and he’s a PMC McKinsey dud… Nothing wrong with who he loves, he’s just a real bummer as a politician.
Also there’s a reason the VP shortlist are milquetoast white males… Grandma in Ohio might be able to vote for a woman of color, but these frightened bigots need a “safe” feeling backup plan in VP. Win the battle, take the win if Kamala can break that barrier. She wouldn’t be my first choice generally, but she has the momentum and now seems like the time. I’m supporting her full speed
Pete doesn’t actually get things done
He gets things done for his constituency, which is the network of business lobbyists that power his presidential ambitions. He’s an excellent resource for BNSF and Union Pacific. He’s a valuable asset for Boeing and FedEx. He’s just no good if you’re riding Amtrack or stuck in an airport at 2am waiting for JetBlue to get its shit together.
Well articulated, thank you for the clarifying support there.
1000% agree. I’m not stoked about, most likely, not voting in a dem primary for 8 years. Harris wouldn’t be my first choice but I don’t wanna deflate the hype train at all. Hoping for a super majority in congress, that would be the big win. Really hope true progressives can accomplish as much as possible with that. Last time it happened for dems we got the ACA, that should be the minimum benchmark.
HARRIS/ANONYMOUS GENERIC WHITE GUY 2024!
Word.
Harris/Guy that gramma would be happy to see advertised on a real estate bench 2024
What I love about him though is how he talks to Republicans. He just has a way of making their hypocrisy obvious to them and you can literally see their brain short circuit and do a hard reboot before they respond. He’s given some great interviews on fox news. But besides that I could take him or leave him.
We absolutely are, but not as the VP to a non-white woman. The US has a long way to go.
I’d rather that gay person be someone else. I despise Buttigieg on a personal level and hope he never gets VP let alone POTUS.
Why?
Because I’m still angry about how he treated Bernie.
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Bernie Sanders. The old guy who jumpstarted the entire leftist movement in America.
Yeah, but are we in the mood for a CIA spook to be vice president?
More than the asset as President.
Asset? No.
Spook? Yes.
Analyst, foreign deployment. No conspiracy.
Lmfao if you call working for a company that also got outsourced to the CIA for consulting work a “Spook” then there’s millions of “Spooks”, usually that word is used for actual agents, not third party analysts.
The work he was doing overseas was entirely economic, which you would know if you read the article, and there’s no confirmation he had any ties with the CIA at all. there’s literally no reason to point out his very detached and vague connection with the CIA, other than to try and make him look like a plant.
Read the room.
Exactly. Give us the Astronaut, important thing is beating Trump and trying to remain a country.
Can any of you buttigeg naysayers elaborate?
Just guessing from the replies, (I’m personally not that critical of Pete)
He used to be more left wing, had a deep appreciation for Bernie Sanders growing up, then he had a more right-ward turn. He worked as a consultant for a very unpopular and influential company (Mckinsey) for a few years, then he joined the Navy and was deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan. Lastly the shenanigans around him very narrowly beating Bernie in the Iowa primary of 2020 probably all contribute to the negative sentiment.
None of these really make him worse than even more corporate Dems like Pritzker or Shapiro, so I’m guessing the antipathy is almost entirely because of 2020.
Surprisingly, he’s not already thanking Kamala for the nomination.
Has his favorability with Black voters improved since 2020?
Out of the loop, what has he done to alienate the black community?
Disparate cannabis enforcement while he was mayor of South Bend. Pretty much tanked his 2020 run.
Why was the mayor involved with how laws got enforced??
I’m not saying it was fair. I’m saying that it is.
Yeah I’m not questioning whether it happened I was just questioning what circumstances led to that
Fuck if I know.
They aren’t. Play it safe please. Moderate white male. Trump needs to be crushed.
They really are not. A gay candidate will guarantee a loss through the midwest and south. Generally all the religious votes.
You think PizzaGate was bad? Wait until you have a gay candidate.
Honestly, I thought the same thing about Obama. I didn’t think there was any way a black guy who’d been living in Chicago would win. But he did! You never know!
Though I agree that the risk would be crazy high to run a black/Indian female president with a gay vice president. Maybe not this psycho election.
Obama is literally the most professional and well spoken president since Clinton or JFK, possibly FDR. Like people he knew when he was younger were impressed with his ability.
As a Massachusan I applaud your description of JFK as being well spoken. Too often does our nonrhotic profanity laiden dialect end up being maligned. It’s a wicked fucking tragedy.
Never underestimate how much people really fucking hate Trump
Never overestimate either.
People had a rare situation where they could compare trump and Biden presidency side by side and still were saying that they are not sure who they will vote for.
That has nothing to do with how many people hate Trump. That had to do with how many people didn’t like Biden.
In case you hadn’t heard, Biden isn’t running for president anymore.
The Biden hate was artificially manufactured. Similar techniques will be used against anyone else.
See? Biden wasn’t uniquely poor as a candidate! Just look at all the chaos and infighting within the Democratic Party now that he dropped out! Just look at all the successful attacks Republicans have made against Harris.
Oh, right. The party fell in line behind a viable candidate, and Republicans are flailing and nothing is sticking.
Sharice Davids?
That would be a fun ticket.
I’m a member of the queer community and absolutely do not think this is a wise idea for this cycle. Maybe next time around Pete.
I’d be fine with a gay VP. We shouldn’t be choosing our candidates based on what bigots want.
Though I’m not sure Pete is it. He has documented animosity from Black voters because of his time as mayor of South Bend during a period of disparate enforcement of cannabis prohibition. Since Harris is trying to distance herself from her time enforcing cannabis prohibition when she was DA, I think appointing Buttigieg runs the risk of reinforcing the “she’s a cop” narrative and increasing the likelihood that it will become an effective attack against her.
100
No, 100 times from this one seems excessive.
I mean this sincerely. Who the fuck cares if he’s gay…but… he’s doing an amazing job where he is. He’s going after shitty airlines and shitty corporations that are screwing people over. Give him 4 more years dunking on delta please !
Who the fuck cares if he’s gay
A subset of voters that we want to win over
Do we though?
Considering our election system is fundamentally broken and a few thousand voters in a handful of states control our outcome, yes.
Btw, I’ve noticed nearly every positive dem post on Lemmy today has the top comment being a bot generated negative comment… it’s so obvious it’s standing out.
Pete is 100% but he is not the correct gay candidate. He needs time to grow.
I think they have a better chance with Pete for president than Kamala honestly as fucked as that is.
Too much steam behind Kamala to swap them out now. Best plan is to pick a VP that the right has no line of attack for, like Kelly.
Mitt Romney
The right has plenty of ammo for Romney. He lost a presidential election (the irony of voting for one guy who lost a presidential election over another guy who lost a presidential election would be 100% lost on them).
But he could capture a lot of Republicans who hate trump and also still retain democrat voters. It would drum up a lot of press and could be viewed as something new unified front against the Republicans who have turned into a party devoted to a single guy
I’d rather not have to worry about the possibility of MR becoming president, should KH die or something (I don’t think she will, but there’s a non-zero chance anyone could die).
MK would probably make some popular choices but try to not rock the boat much. That would be more tolerable than President Romney.
Yeah, we are… but it ain’t you.
I’d caution against Pete specifically. Given the meme-state of modern politics and sheer stupidity of the average voter, it’d be a terrible idea to run a gay man whose name looks like ‘buttplug’.
…and I’m not making a joke right now - collectively we’re 100% dumb enough to throw an election over that.
Just the way I have heard it pronounced sounds like “booty gay.”
I know posting ben garrison is cheating, but this was years ago. They’d definitely latch on to the name as a tool to degrade him.
Hell, they’ve been trying to make the word “kamala” derogatory. Sorry Pete, even though you’d be as good a candidate as any, you’ve got butt in your name
Pete got that WAGON on em.
I actually think he would make a better POTUS candidate balanced by a Mark Kelly or something in the future. I think as a VP candidate, his value-add isn’t substantive enough to outweigh the bigotry against a gay-brown-black-woman ticket. (Sadly.)
I do think Buttigieg is an excellent communicator and is very competent at going toe-to-toe against any mouth-froth republican, which is a real asset. Despite being a prosecuter, Kamala isn’t as good at it. It’s not a court room, no one is is under oath in political combat sports, and she too often thinks being right and factual will prevail. Pete is right and factual but also knows how to knife fight despite seeming milquetoast.
I think we could be, but not that one
What’s wrong with Buttigieg?
He’s far more milquetoast than Harvey Milk if you catch my drift
Maybe reversing that question would be a good starting point–what’s good about Buttigieg?
But, are they ready for a VP that has only been mayor of a small town and a cabinet member four years?
They were ready for a President who had only been a failed businessman and a game show host, so probably yes?
Different they. You two are talking about different groups of people. Kamalas path to victory isn’t doing what Trump voters approve of, it’s doing what people who don’t like Trump approve of.
