Former U.S. Ambassador to Israel David Friedman writes in new book that U.S. support for Israeli sovereignty is ‘based first and foremost on biblical prophecies and values’
Im saving this post in case some smoothbrain goes “bOtH sIdEs” again, or just to annoy the grifters a little…
I wonder - and I mean this seriouslyand not in an /s way - what happens, if you object “bOth SiDeS” with “Why not vote for Harris then?”?
Surely you won’t convince a Trumpologist this way.
But doesn’t that also give leeway to present voting for Harris as equally good choice in the eyes of Trumpologists?Because they either value virtue signaling over actual change, or are just spreading propaganda.
Option A:
“I couldn’t possibly do even a single action that would make me even slightly complicit in the genocide from either side,” while spending all day campaigning for everyone to vote the same way as MAGAs want them to, “in fact, the Dems are so far right that they are literally indistinguishable from theocratic authoritarians promising to deliver a dictatorship.”
Option B:
“Well, he cannot do worse than this,” regarding a guy who blasted Yemen and wants to “finish the job” in Gaza, “and this will force the Dems to move left to get voters next election, after voting is abolished, they certainly won’t move rightward looking for people who will actually vote.”
I have been telling everyone about trumps wonderful pogroms for the palestinian people and finally the news recognizes it.
“Both sides”-ers in shambles
Doubt it. They seem pretty comfortable swimming in wilful ignorance.
I agree with you but pedantically that seems to imply they are still ignorant of the reality. I don’t believe that for a second.
This is an Onion article, right?
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Right
Fuckin’ psycho.
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He wants to make Palestine a territory of Israel’s, like Puerto Rico is to the US. The rub is, the powers in Israel just want to wipe out the Palestinians, so I doubt they will like this plan.
Tell me again how both sides are the same?
When one of those sides completely defunded UNRWA they are the same, When one of those sides keeps providing weapons and money to slaughter Palestinians, they are the same. When Biden and Harris are providing those weapons and money to Israel they are allowing Netanyahu to ‘finish the job’
Lol you have to preemptively use Donald’s quote because you know which party is worse and don’t want your campaigning on Donald’s behalf to get interrupted with facts or anything of the sort. The topic of the article is what you want to happen. Monstrous.
I’m using Trump’s quote because liberals quote it while ignoring their team is finishing the job.
You’re using Donald’s quote to pretend Dems are as bad as the guy you’re campaigning on behalf of.
Dems are as bad, I’m not campaigning for Trump. If I’m saying Dems are as bad as Republicans, Republicans must be pretty damn bad. That’s isn’t the typical endorsement of support from someone.
If you’re saying Dems are as bad as Repubs you are either delusional or deliberately disregarding reality. Of course it is the latter, since you are on here campaigning for Donald every day.
Well, both sides want to end the genocide. One by gently asking Israel to negotiate a ceasefire, the other by urging Israel to finish the job.
That’s why I’m voting for Jizz Stein hur hur!
Same here, because when everybody is against us, and don’'t give a fuck about Palestinian genocide, I can’t vote for Harris who is only partially on our side.
My logic is flawless. I will now go ahead and shoot my other foot.“You’ll respect my choices and wishes like i accept yours, right? RIGHT?!??!?!?!” - Enlightened Stein voter.
Of course I will, just don’t expect me to be able to help you when they come for you, because you helped vote the leopards into power.
Oh, trust me, I know. I was just poking fun and quoting a particular user on here who goes around using this same logic while attacking other’s views and then victimizing him/herself whenever he/she remotely gets any resistance.
I understand it was sarcasm. You wrote enlightened Stein voter, that can ONLY be a joke. So don’t worry.
I’ve seen similar comments, that are absolutely insane from people supporting Gaza.
My response however, was meant for those who actually believe there’s a better third option.
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Yep…
I’m wondering if the only answer to these people is: “Don’t listen to this fool. If you do what they say they’re gonna do, you’ll end up getting Trump and Project 2025, as will your sister, wife, or mother if you’re male, and you ALL will suffer!”
It’s funny because we all know exactly who that is, too. Of course trying to use “respect” in both the sense of “respecting their right” and also “not (correctly) calling them a dumbass every time.”
I swear there’s a weirdo Jill Stein supporter who always shows up on Lemmy threads and says nearly that exact comment. Like hell no I don’t respect your wack choice.
My response to this is “I respect your right to vote. Why don’t you?”
Yeah she made a PLEDGE to stop war in Palestine!
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I mean, Israel is in the process of annexing the West Bank right now, I don’t see the Biden administration doing anything about it.
Cool, so now you see that voting for Harris is a nod to either the same hand-wringing action that we’re seeing now. In fact, the hand-wringing is doing a little bit better than nothing right now (not by much, admittedly). Trump’s guy just said he wants the genocide to go faster. Now, I want you to apply the principles of harm reduction to this scenario. Which option is harm reduction?
If it just takes longer to get the same outcome, is it really harm reduction?
Either way, I’m not telling anyone how to vote, as the calculus depends entirely on where you live. In swing states, sure, your vote or lack thereof could make a difference. In the states where most people actually live (red or blue), you should be allowed to vote third party without getting yelled at by libs.
Ultimately, if the candidates don’t want to meet the voters where they are (and for the majority of Dems, they are in favour of an arms embargo against Israel), it’s their fault if they lose, not because of individual voters or random guys posting on the internet.
If the option is 5 people dying every day or 10 people dying every day, yes harm reduction says we should limit the amount of people dying every day. That way we have more time to save the people.
I’m not a fucking lib, I’m a leftist, and I’m telling you that Trump is worse than the status quo. He only really started to fuck shit up towards the end of his presidency and that was because he only just realized he could change the rules and get rid of the bureaucracy that actually keeps our government limping along. Next time he, or anyone with an R next to their name, takes office they’re going to destroy anything of value left in our government so they can hoard the ashes. This will continue to be the reality of the situation until being a fascist is no longer politically viable.
Yes, it’s a hostage situation. Yes, it’s royally fucked, but the last 4 years has seen an incredible shift in both public support of good policy and politicians promoting good policy. There is a light, there is good coming of all this shit, it just requires your support for the good that’s happening, and your disdain to be pointed at the bad. Don’t point your disdain at the “not good enough” and shrug at the unbelievable bad. That’s how things get worse.
You can’t possibly be serious…
But what about gEnOcIdE?
You understand how much harm your are doing by neutering your argument into the ground?
What are you doing to help those human shields other than reducing them to the lowest talking point while grinding that bullshit even further to dust?
You can say it’s not enough if you want, but you can’t say it’s nothing. Certainly gets Netanyahu upset at least.
Let’s see if they walk this back again like they did with Netzah Yehuda. And yeah, this isn’t even close to enough.
Good ole religion. Let’s end the world so our beloved Jeebus comes out of his fucking fox hole. Why can’t he just come out of it without so much pain
amdand suffering to innocent people? What a fucking asshole if he were real?The loving Jesus depicted in the New Testament would be shot, hung, or even re-crucified by his followers if he dared show up and open his mouth. He ain’t coming back.
The Baha’is believe he already came and went. World ended in 1844, a new one replaced it.
Just like the world ended around 4500 BCE when The Green Sahara period and the Bronze Age Collapse happened within 200 years of each other, and some scared ass Jews wrote the Torah, inventing their entire history out of the ruins of Egypt, despite never having been there.
