Donald Trump continues to suck up to the Russian president.
If Ukraine were to suddenly surrender to Russia, everything would be “much better,” at least according to Donald Trump.
During an afternoon press conference Wednesday, the Republican presidential nominee urged the Eastern European nation to submit to the foreign power, claiming that any deal, no matter how dismal for Ukraine’s freedom, would have been better than the current state of affairs.
“Ukraine is gone. It’s not Ukraine anymore. You can never replace those cities and towns, and you can never replace the dead people, so many dead people,” Trump said. “Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.
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Remember, that Putin has ambitions way beyond Ukraine. He will likely want the EU and NATO to pull out from CEE at minimum, if not those countries to join his empire in some way or another.
He won’t stop heading west until he regains control of alaska
Ask the japanese how well that goes over.
Where does that idea even come from?
Ironically it’s the same logic Israel uses against the Palestinians. They want to destroy us and can’t be reasoned with, so it has to be total war.
Huge difference, Ukraine military operations were for a long time purely defensive, only engaging in their own territory. Now they are starting to target military facilities in Russian territory more with no evidince of excessive collatoral damage, which is still understandable. If Russia withdrew offensive forces, Ukraine would not be trying to ‘wipe out’ Russia.
Versus Israel where just tremendous indiscriminate operations are inflicting more ‘collateral’ damage than what would be considered understandable targets for deliberate damage. I think the world might have been pretty fine with surgical incursions against Hamas and Hezbollah, but Israel has not displayed that discipline.
Difference being: here it’s attributed to one man, Putin. Israel applies it to all Palestinians. Difference couldn’t be more obvious.
Ah. Another sterling strategy from Donald “Neville” Trump.
He’s Putins pretty lil puppet. 😊
Alternate headline:
TrumpNeville Chamberlain suggests givingVladimir PutinAdolf Hitler whatever he wantsComparing Trump to Chamberlain is a pretty big disservice to Chamberlain. History at least shows that Chamberlain was correct about Britain’s ability to combat German aggression, and his appeasement bought Britain the time to properly arm and ready themselves for war.
Trump’s just a sniveling sycophant who wants to give Daddy Putin everything he wants because he hopes Putin will be proud of him and treat him as a big man.
I could have sworn at one point Russia claimed to have annexed certain parts of Ukraine due to ethnic Russians, very similar to Hitlers Sudetenland claims.
Central Ukraine suppressing russian language\culture in Donbas, Luhansk and Crimea were their talking points right before 2014.
No - Chamberlain bought us time to stand up to him. But only just. Trump is just a whining lapdog.
I keep upgrading what kind of leverage putin has on dolt45. I’m now pretty sure trump must have choked his male prostitute of the night to death on camera.
You really think he has the strength to choke someone to death with those tiny hands?
Smothered to death, maybe.
Harris suggests giving Israel whatever they want. But, one is far more effective at killing innocents than the other.
Giant douche or turd sandwich? I’ll endorse neither.
And you’ll get the worse one.
It’s not worse for me as a brown individual. That damage is already done.
It’s worse for MLK’s white moderates because they can’t ignore the issues the rest of us have been suffering our whole lives.
I’ll choose justice over order and principle over comfort. It’s the only way forward.
I feel like you’re implying that being made aware of injustice is a worse position to be in than actually suffering from those same injustices, and that has to be the stupidest thing I’ve read in a while.
Somehow reaching that conclusion is one of the stupidest thing I’ve read in awhile.
When the majority were aware of injustice we sang in the streets, “Fuck Donald Trump and fuck Biden, too! Neither of them give a fuck about you!”
That’s was an incredibly good thing. The trade unions were paying attention. Now is our time. A few years later the US has more strikes than we’ve seen since between the world wars.
Seems you’re not paying attention to We the People. That’s a critical mistake.
All sizzle, no steak. 🥱
Fair and That’s probably what will be happening. Many of us are probably not coming out the otherside in that case.
Effective means of societal change always have collateral damage. It’s especially true in the current paradigm. But, the more that choose meaningful change and proactively sacrifice for it, the less the collateral damage.
That’s why there’s a homeless man living in my shed. Without need to seek out shelter, water, food, and clothing he learned to use a computer/internet in a week and has now secured several job interviews. If he fucked up or someone fucked him over he can come back. He’ll probably be one that makes it to the “other side”.
I don’t think I’m special. These are basic human responses to the situation that exists. Government won’t help. We must help each other. Seems simple enough to me.
So you’ll happily vote for Trump if he’s running against someone worse? I feel like eventually you have to draw a line somewhere
Honestly it’s not a bad point, but it’s also not reflective or a great comparison since it’s not really grounded in reality. I’d vote for the person not willing “fix” america in favour of white supremacy.
For these getting bombed to death reality is already as bad as it can be. Both red and blue have innocents blood in their hands and are evil.
Where exactly did she do that. Source…
That sounds like a Facebook statement where eople like you just keep coming up with increasingly absurd comments until you forget what the truth is (like those anti EV people on Facebook who have somehow convinced themselves that petrol is cleaner and EVs constantly blow up, because they just keep upping their own comments).
So I’d really like a source on that one
Trumps plan to “solve russias war against ukraine” is to “give up”.
Is this the man you want leading your country?
Imagine FDR “solving ww2” by surrendering to japan and the nazis
This was his strategy in Afghanistan too!
Arguably that was always going to end with a Taliban takeover, but we could’ve done that without giving them a leg up.
If only we’d continued our brutal occupation of Afghanistan another 20 years, maybe the regime would’ve lasted another two weeks after we left.
Y’all are completely hopeless, enjoy your forever wars.
No, we should’ve left shortly after killing Bin Laden.
If we had pulled out then, the regime we were propping up would instantly collapse and the withdrawal would’ve been messy and y’all would be criticizing Obama for pulling out the exact same way you’re criticizing the pullout the way it actually played out, because it was always going to play out the same way.
Criticism >>>> More American soldiers dying in a pointless war
Mike Gravel said it best:
You know what’s worse than a soldier dying in vain? It’s more soldiers dying in vain.
That quote directly contradicts you criticizing the stance of giving up on Afghanistan. I should be the one quoting it at you. I cannot make any sense of your position whatsoever.
Not giving up, tipping the scales to favor a terrorist organization. His “deal” gave the Taliban greater legitimacy, bolstered their numbers, and probably gave them all a good laugh as we held up our end and they almost immediately violated the agreement.
Are people like this just incapable of grasping nuance? I can only definitively speak for myself, but I’m pretty sure nobody here wants forever wars (maybe there are some dumb tankies that think they want it)
We all wanted out of Afghanistan, we just would prefer to have, you know, an actual plan.
But you know that already, don’t you? Or are you actually that ignorant?
And what would that plan have looked like, exactly? How do you pull out of the country, watch the inevitable collapse of the regime you spent 20 years building, and hand the county over to your enemies without it being messy and getting egg on your face?
It was inevitable that things would play out the way they did, and it needed to happen. Biden made the call and accepted the fallout for a completely necessary and good decision that everyone had been calling for for years. And yet, rather than taking credit for it, y’all want to try to shift it over to Trump! That’s insane to me.
You should take a moment to read up on the topic.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020–2021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan
Trump signed the original agreement with the Taliban. Biden delayed the deal from May until September. Trump had a year to handle sorting the agreement he made.
Most of us understand both presidents failed in it’s execution. It’s important you know that Trump lit a short fuse and walked away.
Trump failed in it’s execution because we were still there when he left office. Biden succeeded in it’s execution as evidenced by the fact that we are no longer there.
I will repeat my question, since you didn’t answer it at all: How do you pull out of the country, watch the inevitable collapse of the regime you spent 20 years building, and hand the county over to your enemies without it being messy and getting egg on your face?
Either go full imperialist and take over the country, making it a US territory, or never bother in the first place.
That’s…not a plan for exit.
I mean, I generally agree but this is a flippant, bad answer.
I know, but the whole situation was fuk
How about just “never bother in the first place?”
Did I ever claim to be a fucking expert on military operations? I don’t fucking know what that plan would look like. That doesn’t mean I’m ok with how it went down.
It was absolutely not inevitable that it went down that way… Do you already forget how bad that shit was?
That’s a completely ridiculous stance. You have no alternative whatsoever to what happened, and as I pointed out, it was always going to be messy because it represented 20 years of total failure, but you’re criticizing it… why? Because the news told you to? The same news that lied us into the wars in the first place?
I didn’t forget how bad the pullout was, I just also didn’t forget how bad the occupation was. Ending the war deserves enough props to outweigh any mistakes made in the pullout.
I, someone who has no experience with military tactics whatsoever, personally, have no alternative and that means there must be no alternative.
I appreciate how much credit you’re giving me here… but no. Don’t be obtuse.
I know you’re smarter than that.
If Chamberlain can give up Czeckoslovakia for “peace for our time”, and be remembered as a great man (or at least as a garage door opener) surely Trump can be remembered for all time by giving up Eastern Europe for profit for his time
“Don’t worry, men—I have a plan.”
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“TAKE WHATEVER YOU WANT!”That’s not even a “concept of a plan”
Well, concepts of a plan
The Shart of the Deal.
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No need to imagine when we have history to reference.
To his credit, Chamberlain wasn’t as bad as he’s made out. When he implemented his policy of appeasement, Britain was not actually capable of meaningfully resisting nazi Germany. He basically brought time to bring Britain back to a war footing. When it became obvious to the public that war was coming, he fell on his sword. This cleared the way for Churchill to take charge, without significant infighting. He also inherited Britain on a far better war footing, and even then it was a close thing.
Basically, Chamberlain knew his plan wouldn’t work long term. He took one “for king and country”, likely knowing how it would be perceived. I can at least respect him for that.
“how do you remove your hand from a lion’s mouth?”
“very carefully.”
Diplomacy is the art of saying ‘Nice doggie’ until you can find a rock.
- Will Rogers
I’m not arguing it was or wasn’t right for Britain position at the time. Just making the point we know, from direct history, a policy of appeasement does nothing to stop further advancement.
It did though. Hitler could have gone after Britain and france earlier. However, he thought Britain was staying out of things, and so played more safe and slow. This brought Britain the time it needed. Hitler honestly didn’t expect Britain to declare war on him, and that slowed his assault on that front. If WW2 had gone serious even 6 months earlier, Britain would have been in serious trouble. The RAF would have collapsed under the luftwaffa, and WW2 would have been very different. Appeasement traded lives for time.
Don’t get me wrong, it was a dick move, and threw others under the tanks tracks to save Britain. It’s also worth noting that this is not what Trump is trying to do. He’s just being a boot licker to the most powerful person who will talk to him. Appeasement at least had a positive goal.
Hitler could have gone after Britain and france earlier
Hitler didn’t have a strong military in 1930’s either. It gave Hitler time to build.
“The Rhineland coup is often seen as the moment when Hitler could have been stopped with very little effort; the German forces involved in the move were small, compared to the much larger, and at the time more powerful, French military.”
Hitler didn’t have a strong military in 1930’s either. It gave Hitler time to build.
No they didn’t, people tend to think it was all tanks zipping all over the place, but a good proportion of their army was still horse driven. I was stationed in (British Army) barrack in Germany in the 1980’s. Barracks that had been built during the German build up prior to WW2. There was more space for horses than troops.
I think the person’s point is that the situations are not entirely analogous. For one, the US at the moment is certainly not “not on war footing,” nor do we need to buy time to build up forces.
The only reason it “worked” for Britain in WW2 was due to the specific situation that you described; that they needed to buy time.
I would not call that a useful strategy in any other circumstance.
I mean, he’s already given him countless blowjobs, so yeah.
You can never replace those cities and towns
For someone who nominally has a fortune in real estate, he clearly doesn’t understand how construction works.
You absolutely can replace towns and cities, and someone is going to make a shitload of money doing just that once the conflict is over. The only question at the moment is whether they’re going to be Russians or westerners.
Well, he might be on to something.
I’m studying world history for the first time and I’ve so far gotten to 1938 and while I know absolutely nothing that happened after that, so far it looks like this suggestion has worked with this Hitler fellow.
The person Europe appeased eventually went on to go and shoot Hitler, afterall.
Spoiler
Sorry mate, I know with the remaster coming out soon that I should be careful with the spoilers.
I found and old encyclopedia at a car boot sale from around that time. Looked up Germany and it mentioned that ‘Herr Hitler had done wonders for Germany’s economy but wasn’t very popular in some circles as they considered his views and policies were extreme.’
Another fun fact - Nazis were very popular with a lot of the British Royal family and the ‘upper classes’. They were also supported by The Daily Mail newspaper, some things never change do they?
Don’t forget the American robber barons!
You’re not going to believe what happens in 1945.
Gobble gobble
“Any deal, even the worst deal, would have been better than what we have right now.
And this just shows how uninformed Trump is.
- Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and took Crimea! Ukraine did not attack.
- Russia then invade in Luhansk and Donbas and illegally annex both regions in 2022
So what deal is Trump talking about that would have left Ukraine alone? 2014? Nope. 2022? Nope.
The only deal Putin is willing to accept is total control over the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
The only deal Putin is willing to accept is total control over the sovereign nation of Ukraine.
Trump: “Sounds good.”
Nah, he and the Duma have stated their victory conditions: total control over Ukraine AND the destruction of Ukrainian national identity. He doesn’t want Ukraine thinking of itself as a sovereign nation, only a Russian state.
I’ll take things that will never happen for $200, Alex!
God I wish I saw and end in sight, though.
I have no words
What a tool.
Tool or fool? It can be argued that all tools are fools which would most likely make all fools, tools.
