I’m sure the taxpayers will never be on the hook for that loan.
But the job creation!
considers
If it gets a federal subsidy, that subsidy is going to really primarily benefit Pennsylvania, yes?
I mean, yes, power from it maybe – if Microsoft isn’t schlorping all of it up – help support the grid in the region a bit. But if Microsoft’s building a datacenter in Pennsylvania and this is subsidizing a nuclear power plant in Pennsylvania, the benefit’s really principally going to Pennsylvania alone, other than in the limited sense that it reduces carbon dioxide emissions.
California or Nevada, say, isn’t going to benefit from that either way.
Like, if there’s some sort of federal subsidy accessible to any state that wants to do nuclear power build-out and that this is just how Pennsylvania chooses to make use of it, that might be one thing.
Happy Cakeday! 🍰🎂
Thanks!
Microsoft has agreed to purchase all of the power from the reactor over the next 20 year
The original reporting sounded decent - Microsoft was spinning up a decommissioned reactor, everyone wins
This new reporting of they can’t afford it makes it seem like a bad idea in its entirety
And there it is. I was complaining about subsiding the risk and privatize the profits.
Amazing how first headline was about microsbit needing this…
Now owner needs state aid to provide electric for microshit AI
Ain’t free market capitalism great, wage slaves
U pay for everything
It makes me irate. However it’s not free market capitalism. This is corporate welfare.
indeed but i like to get a rise out of Corpo Democrats (bootlickers) and right wingers (which we really don’t get around here much)
They are seeking a LOAN.
They don’t need a LOAN, they can pay out of POCKET. Also if it DEFAULTS the TAX PAYERS will end up footing the BILL. How much MONEY will MS make off of this? Will they take care of clean up if something bad happens? If it’s a federal loan who provides the money off the bat?
Microsoft may not have that cash at that jurisdiction; any big company with tonnes of cash still often take out loans because it’s cheaper to pay it back that move cash from one jurisdiction than another. If the nuclear power company defaults and Microsoft backs the loan, I’m still guessing Microsoft pays back the loan.
What do you mean when you ask “how much money will Microsoft make out of this?” If they’re taking a risk, in the way our economy is currently organised, they stand to lose and they stand to gain. You do realise most nuclear power stations were state guaranteed private companies right? Are you against the nuclear industry, the way we organise our economy, or Microsoft’s actions specifically?
The risk of nuclear is tiny, but real. That’s the way with all nuclear companies. Why should who runs the plant influence the form in which we support any clean up required if the most terrible thing happens (ps: It won’t, but that’s another matter and one I’m sure you’ll want to debate endlessly about too)?
No I won’t endlessly debate with you, because it’s not a debate. You don’t appear to have issue with this, while I do. You will not change my mind, and I won’t change yours.
Think what happen M$ decided to scrap the new data center, or straight up not buying power from the plant? What if the plant can’t make a profit? Who is going to pay when it defaults? What if there’s a slip up and end up the next Chernobyl? Of course, it’s taxpayer who pay all.
Watch the Netflix documentary about the Three Mile Island accident. Yeah, fuck that shit and keep it shutdown until maximizing profits becomes a lower priority than safety.
Just get Microsoft to pay for all of it if they want it so badly.
No, see that is explicitly not what I agreed with before.
Microsoft buys the plant and Microsoft pays start and maintenance cost.
If it will privately benefit Microsoft they can privately fund it.
It’s a taxpayer loan, so they pay it back, right?
Until the loan is forgiven a few later…
Oh so it’s like a PPP loan that Republicans will take out and have forgiven and then complain about student loan debt forgiveness.
[Smiling Anakin]
What kind of interest is on that loan?
Maybe Micro$oft should pull themselves up by their bootstraps and cut back on the avocado toast…Cunts.
OK, the Utility is getting a loan against expected future payments by Microsoft. So, if all goes to plan, MICROSOFT IS PAYING FOR THIS!
If Microsoft is paying for it, why do they need a loan?
Will Microsoft also be paying for any nuclear waste disposal?
To ask is to answer…
Deny corpo parasite state aid!
Ah there’s the squeeze
As of October 2024 Microsoft has a market cap of $3.109 Trillion. (Source). So uh, fuck that.
Yeah. My instant thought was “get the loan from Microsoft”
Agreed, but they will still get it regardless but get fucked if you want healthcare.
Market cap doesn’t say how much cash they have available. For that, look at cash on hand which publicaly traded companies need to report
MS has about 75B cash on hand, so they could afford this themselves. They will probably argue that it will bring jobs and expertise to the state.
Also, it’s a loan, so the interest will generate funding for the state as well.nevermind, not a loan from the state, so no interest would go to the state.You’re right that it doesn’t mean cash on hand, but it does indicate they could liquidate some of that or borrow against it themselves.
Yeah Microsoft should take the risk here, not American citizens.
Bingo. They should invest in their own company, they have the money. There’s no reason for taxpayers to play any part in this.
Why when they can get stupid peasants to pay for it?
There’s the actual reason.
If people quit larping propaganda and followed the dollar from it being earned into their pocket to going back into the employer’s pocket… it would a different society.
So let Microsoft pay to restart it.
I guess it the government gives them the loan then the gov’t gets interest payments, which must help inflation over time. Assuming that they make those payments…
Ages ago, I read a book called N.U.K.E.E.
I don’t remember all the specifics, but this seems hauntingly familiar.
Yay more nuclear power for a grid in need.
Boo that it’s hoping federal funds pay for Microsofts powersuck of an AI
The grid isn’t getting the power. It’s all for Microsoft.
Well, it’ll be putting stain on the grid, more than likely.
How?
Oh even worse. What the actual fuck
That’s today’s America, boy
I’m not happy about it either but they’re going to build the thing no matter what, at least there’s more nuclear power moving forward.
How about we give the power company those 1.6 billion to build wind and solar instead? They are much faster to deploy
Any notion that taxpayers are taking on risk here is fanciful given that any loan will be backstopped by Constellation’s entire $80-billion-plus value.
Not to worry taxpayers, despite us paying out dividends to equity holders, our $70 billion plus value means this loan is still safe and sound!
Don’t worry taxpayers about us spinning off 90% of our assets to Galaxy Brain Energy, a totally independent and different energy company that we didn’t just pull out of our ass. The loan is still backed by our $7 billion plus value, trust!
