I’m not in the US, but it seems to me that the Republicans keep breaking norms and procedures, including politicising impeachment and ignoring illegal, immoral and plain bad conduct.
They also seem to be fine with not applying the same standard across the isle.
On the other hand, either Democrats follow new precedent, with even more devolving, or they keep the old decorum and get their asses kicked by Republican foul play.
What ways out of this spiral are there?
Everyone gets off their stupid asses, pays attention, and votes in an informed way.
So, basically, we’re probably fucked. People have repeatedly proven to be pretty God damned stupid.
What does fucked mean? Is it over? Will everyone on Earth die?
Not everyone, no. But climate change will kill most of whatever’s left
Fucked as in a huge number of people probably just won’t bother and things are probably not going to be getting better unless there is a fundamental shift in American citizens caring about fulfilling their civic duty to be an informed voter in every single election.
I’m not positive of what the answer is, but I truly believe it will somehow sometime. However, please remember that this website is an echo chamber and sells doom and gloom. There is always hope no matter what the doomers say, otherwise they wouldn’t be here.
Remember your information diet guidelines!
Limit social media intake, read with an eye towards bias and agenda, and verify all news with independent sources.
And remember that comments are typically opinion and made by a guy that looks like a hairy Shrek.
oh brother, you still think we’re on a spiral, as in active? dude the spiral is complete, and now the monsters have control of all three branches of us government, they’re going to do their damnedest to make sure they change just about everything that could possibly allow the power to be taken from them ever again. should have gotten the young people to vote, but wasn’t important, looking a bit more important now, huh. dumbest thing i’ve ever seen, trump was president, fucked everything up, a million americans died bad from a pandemic due to his ineptitude, then young people stayed home and didn’t vote democrat … can’t make this shit up, the jokes write themselves. and now … unstoppable destruction, and death.
You need to go have a beer with some friends and get off the internet for now.
Yes. All modern human civilization will collapse with the coming climate change.
Try living here. I feel hopeless every time I go online or turn on the TV.
Somewhere along the way we decided punching Nazis wasn’t cool. I worry it’s too late now.
The “we” you speak of is a lot smaller of a group than you think.
Ok.
Is it though? we all claim to hate nazis (largely because of their genocide), but talk about halting a different genocide and suddenly the dems have all wandered off or are staring intently at their shoes.
Saying to punch Nazis is against the rules on the new 196.
inb4 drama
No, the ban wasn’t about anything else. Drag has direct statements from multiple mods that it was about violence against Nazis, not about anything else. The admin is not the mod team. The admin’s views are not the reason for the mod team’s actions
convenient of you to leave out this message
Drag thought it would be redundant to include that one, since it just restates a more specific part of what you already said. Plus drag would have to go edit the image again to include it for no extra information, and give everyone more to read. Drag is thankful however that you did send that message, and drag has posted it elsewhere when other users argued the 196 ban was for “promoting suicide”, which didn’t happen, and as you say here, wasn’t part of the decision.
But thank you anyway for the extra context and direct confirmation.
If you really expect people to believe you’re not the troll that you are, maybe don’t bring your bullshit into discussions that have absolutely nothing to do with it.
Your little “inb4 drama” is exactly the type of shit you do to stir the pot. It’s entirely unnecessary and extremely disruptive and you have a very bad reputation of doing exactly this.
I dare you to go one week without turning the topic of discussion into something that involves you being a victim.
We are having a discussion about whether society allows people to say to punch nazis. Drag shared a relevant piece of information about a community on this platform that bans the behaviour. Drag predicted the same old people would come onto this thread to spread lies about drag, and put drag’s response to them in spoilers. What do you know, you and spujb came to harass drag just as expected. If you wanted to “gotcha” drag, you could have just not replied, and drag would have looked the fool. But now everyone can see that just as expected, you couldn’t resist coming to start an argument that has nothing to do with punching nazis.
You were banned for telling people to kill themselves. You’re a troll. Everyone knows this.
And private message me again with your nonsense and I’m reporting you to your home instance admins.
To clarify, this user didn’t just say “punch Nazis”; this user told a disabled person to commit an act of gun violence that would most likely result in death. Some mods have called that encouraging suicide by cop. Other mods have simply said that inciting a specific act of violence is against the rules. In every instance, though, it’s been modded, because it’s disgusting behavior.
Just clearing up the lies because I am sick of it.
This user did say “punch nazis”, and here’s the proof:
If you want to decide why drag is banned from 196, then apply to be a mod of 196.
You are formally requested to leave drag alone. The next time you reply to drag to spread lies about this, drag will report you for harassment and speak with the Blahaj and .cafe admins.
Corrected; added “just”
Thank you. There’s still another falsehood in your comment, though. You said “Some mods have called that encouraging suicide by cop.”, but as far as drag knows, only Ada has said that. Ada isn’t a mod, she’s an admin. She has no say in 196’s rules, so her opinion isn’t relevant to whether 196 allows nazi-punching. She decided not to ban drag from the instance for that comment, and drag doesn’t think she’d be happy to hear you’re harassing drag over it.
Drag is willing to have a discussion if you’re willing to stay factually accurate. But let’s keep this on topic to the Nazi punching issue. If you want to talk about Ada’s opinions, let’s do that in private messages to avoid disrupting this thread any more.
https://imgur.com/a/4Xf3c6N this was done by a mod in !fedimemes@feddit.uk
Edited. Glad to be of service.
Most of us are still ok with it, but we won’t be the ones to do it. There aren’t enough that will.
Revolution
This is the only way. You don’t defeat fascism peacefully.
Well. You can. But we already passed all the opportunities to do so. Gotta nip it in the bud and we chose not to do so.
you already beat one oppressor, what is one more
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The US will have a “Revolution of Dignity” moment similar to Ukraine.
If pro-constitution side wins, trump (and leading maga leaders) will flee to russia.
But if the maga wins, the US will remain a fascist nation for decades.
It’s not written in cosmic law that this will occur. The circumstance are certainly leaning in that direction though.
They learned from 2020. So must any opposition evolve. But yeah, moving away from fascism is going to take some blood on both sides. Arguably better than sticking with it where only one side’s blood is shed.
A general strike is probably the best place to start. There’s still a lot that needs to happen to get the placated middle to see the need for more aggressive means.
UAW is organizing one for 2028.
Just wait it out for a few more years and things will settle down. This isn’t anything new… the US has gone through a very similar period of political upheaval and realigning of parties every two or three generations since it was founded. This one isn’t even the worst we’ve had.
All federal employees have been reclassified to political employees instead of nonpartisan civil servants, meaning they are closer to at will employees.
This has never happened before.
All federal employees now serve at the will of the party in power. There will be loyalty tests. There will be entire departments defunded and dismantled.
They are reviewing social media posts as we speak to decide who to keep. That’s right, that includes folks at the CDC, FDA, EPA… every paperwork jockey, no matter how minor their position, is now subject to the whims at the party in power in a way they were not before.
All these firings will be contested. They’ll go to the courts. Say… Who owns the courts right now?
You have no idea what is happening. The purges begin 90 days from now.
I was talking with some kids the other month (Berkeley grads, so “kids”=mid 20s), and they really believed this current shit show is no big deal because they were taught about “checks and balances” in HS. It blows my mind that anyone thinks Fuckhead and the current GOP is just a normal swaying of the political pendulum.
Back in high school, my history teacher was lecturing about political instability in Europe during WWII. She called out a girl next to me for not paying attention. When asked why she wasn’t paying attention, the girl responded, “Oh, that can never happen here.”
Just wait it out for a few more years and things will settle down.
That’s not at all how this works.
This isn’t anything new
It is. Yeah, we’ve had a civil war. We have not had creeping fascism, new rules that allow a president to be entirely lawless, a corrupt supreme court, a woefully misinformed populace, Nazis in the White House, and oligarchs buying legislation and creating insane wealth disparity all happening at the same time.
This isn’t a realigning of the parties. It’s fascism taking hold.
I’m sure the French were asking this exact question in 1788.
This is the way. Rise of the proletariat!
EAT THE RICH!
France is also smaller than Texas. I would like to see a revolution, but we are so spread out I can’t see it happening.
Does the size matter that much? For all practical purposes both are big enough that you can’t talk to everyone. The rest is surely just communications technology, no?
Sure France is smaller but it was in 1789, going to Paris at this time would take days or weeks, now in a day or two anyone with a car could move through the US.
The communication is way easier now, it’s much easier to get organized on a large scale.
I would strongly argue that it is more difficult now.
There is mass communication, yes, but 90% of that communication is rolled on over to the government with the exact location, search history, secrets, psychological profile, medical histoey, vices, everything at the tip of their fingers for every single dissident to exploit and blackmail them into stopping.
In those days if a letter wasn’t signed and resistance posters were put up at odd hours, nobody would be able to track down the leader and who was doing it. Now, the surveillance state is so big, it would take a matter of hours to make a full roster of the resistance and have an “accidental” police raid on their house where they are killed “by mistake” and it is ruled a suicide.
The entire success of revolution movements came out of anonymity and the fact that the government couldn’t snuff out the organization and break it up. Now, with technology, it is quite trivial to break anonymity anywhere on the main internet. Long lasting organization is much much harder.
That isn’t even getting into engineered addictive media to keep people occupied and demotivates just enough to not get organized.
Most of the nation has the surveillance equipment they need in their homes.
Not as a united nation, no. I think this is the start of the dissolution of the US as a single entity. The divisions will become clear soon.
At this point? Probably not. Not if history is any indication. We’ve blown right past all the checkpoints that would have prevented this snowball effect. Our legislative processes are almost too irreparably damaged for a healthy democracy to exist. We’ve removed too many regulations regarding money in our politics and not placed enough regulations on the focus of power on individuals and entities within our government.
We’re probably going to go through a really dark period where the quality of life is going to decline, rights will be stripped, and a lot of vulnerable people are going to die and then, hopefully, things will get bad enough that a revolution happens. It won’t be like WW2 where more powerful forces come to our rescue. We’ll have to do it ourselves. And I don’t really have that much faith in our populace doing that. Again, it will take a really significant decline in quality of life for damn near everyone before that’s even possible. It looks like that’s where we’re headed though.
The rich coastal states that can bail out should definitely do so. Cascadia now!
Nope, i mean other than direct action.
We’re in ‘if you can’t beat them, join them’ mode.
Invest every dollar you can spare, because that’s the only way to win in any of this. Both ruling parties care far more about your stock portfolio succeeding than they do about you.
No they don’t give a shit about you they care about their stock portfolio. This is true for both parties’ leadership. Consider inside testing in the debate/house with no legitimate oversight.
Fuck you i got mine and all.
Investing is the only way to get ahead on an individual financial basis, but it feeds the machine. They win more from it than you.
Our capital to bargain with is labor and civility. This is why they want to replace us with AI while blocking alternate means to survive. If AI can do it we lose leverage.
Hardly, the leverage was always violence.
I meant to say civility is a bargaining chip we can take away. I can see how that can be misinterpreted
Armed revolution by the workers
Armed being the key word here. Show them what the left actually does with weapons.
