Summary
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy accused Donald Trump of living in a “Russian-made disinformation space” due to his administration’s talks with Kremlin officials.
He urged Trump’s team to be “more truthful” after Trump blamed Kyiv for the war and downplayed U.S. aid contributions.
Zelenskyy’s remarks came as U.S. envoy Keith Kellogg visited Kyiv amid shifting U.S. policy on Russia. Meanwhile, European leaders, feeling sidelined by U.S.-Russia talks, held emergency meetings.
Zelenskyy canceled a Saudi Arabia trip in protest.
I don’t get it. How will they sell to the people this total capitulation? I’m not American. As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin. Won’t they see this deal and be like wtf?
The most telling statistic about Russia’s trustworthiness is that every single independent country that shares a border with Russia on the West has mandatory military service and those in the same region without a shared border with Russia don’t.
There are people here who will tell you that they would trust the Russian government more than their neighbor, if their neighbor ever suggested that industry should be regulated.
I stopped being nice to those neighbors. Feed your own cats. No I’m not turning the music down. Get fucked traitors.
That conjured a great mental image for me of old man Putin setting out little bowls for neighborhood cats with the faces of Elon and Trump.
I’ve heard it said that Putin is actually the world’s richest man, worth over $1 trillion. I could believe it.
Your are asking ppl in an echo chambers a multi faceted question. If you want a real answer, it will take more work.
And you are not only unhelpful, but also rude. Bye.
They don’t have their own thoughts anymore; they love trump so much, they’re just going along with whatever he says and he says he likes Russia, so they’ve done a complete about-face on the subject.
Don’t like? Disagree. There are Russian people all over America. Don’t trust? Yes, America doesn’t trust Russia and the average American would be slightly nervous in Russia. The rest of the world needs to learn that since America is the most racially diverse country on earth, America as a whole is unable to hate entire ethnic group.
There are surveys done.
Do you genuinely think there is a survey system comprehensive enough to get the opinion of a country with 330 million people that’s reliable enough to depend on? Can you even example how distribute it across all states?
As far as I’m informed people there don’t like and don’t trust Russia and Putin.
Not anymore. Much of America is stuck in an information space that sees Russia/Putin as oppressed by liberal propaganda, like they supposedly are.
Much of America doesn’t care, or will see warped versions of this news.
Look at poll exit interviews of Americans, or more recent focus groups. We don’t “see” the same realities anymore, and it’s getting worse.
Wherever you are, friend, beg your country to block or regulate Twitter/Facebook/Tiktok and point to us as what happens when you don’t.
It was never really about Russia or Putin, but the ideological divide between capitalism and socialism. And authoritarianism and democracy.
Now, we have an authoritarian president. And apparently a third of the country voted for that so. Yeah that’s where Americans are at sadly.
The word President implies authority. No, Trump is not an authoritarian. Yes, he has displayed authoritarian tendencies. Trump is not Hitler. Take a second to google ‘worlds best leaders’ and you see a lots of people who were never leading entire countries but just led culture, like Ghandi. It’s reasonable to conclude that most humans do not view any political leader as best or the greatest when they hold authority over other people. A leader is only considered good when they don’t have power over the population.
No, Trump is not an authoritarian.
That’s clearly false. He is actively attempting to expand presidential authority at the cost of the Congress, courts and federal agencies. He’s also replacing staff very agressively, installing loyalists whom he expects to do what he says. He has already gradually purged internal opposition within the Republican party, and continues work towards that end.
The essence of authoritarianism is grabbing more power (accompanied by claims of needing it for legitimate purposes) - with dictatorship at the far end.
Just ask ChatGPT, look up the definition of the word, use google AI … put in any effort to verify your assumptions or false information is true. And type behavior like Nixon, yes. He does not fit the definition of an authoritarian.
Here, since you need what the definition is. I’m not sure how you don’t think trump isn’t authoritarian. He’s a fucking wanna be dictator, and he’s consolidating his powers more and more.
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Chat gpt it’s not a source lol
We’re not talking about 2020.
And I would be really surprised if ChatGPT would give you a straight answer on the current administration.
Donald Trump is authoritarian. Rather or not the United States can keep him in check is a different question
And since you were so big on being pedantic, scroll back up and see what I said. I said President Trump is an authoritarian.
He wants to be king, he wants to be like Putin, he admires people like Hitler.
I’m talking about his attitudes and intentions. Not rather or not the US qualifies as an authoritarian regime. We will find out the answer to that question very soon.
He’s a toddler who is going to push the boundaries until they break. And if anyone tells him no, he’s going to throw a fit. What happens after that, will answer the question.
But my initial comment, was about Trump’s character. Not if the union currently qualifies. I think how they start responding to mass protests in the spring will let us know for sure.
I fully expect state violence and suppression will be the response. At which point you can eat all of your words.
From chatGPT: “Donald Trump is often described as having authoritarian tendencies, but whether he can be classified as a “true authoritarian leader” is debated. While he has demonstrated some characteristics that align with authoritarianism—such as a disregard for democratic norms, an emphasis on strong, centralized leadership, and a penchant for undermining checks and balances—he has not fully implemented the institutional changes or widespread repression typically associated with authoritarian regimes.
Key authoritarian tendencies in Trump’s leadership style include:
- Attack on Democratic Institutions: Trump’s frequent criticisms of the press, the judiciary, and other institutions that could check his power reflect a disregard for democratic norms.
- Populism and Cult of Personality: Trump has cultivated a strong personal following, often positioning himself as the sole representative of the “will of the people” against perceived elites and institutions.
- Undermining Elections: His repeated claims of a “stolen” 2020 election and the pressure to overturn the results show an authoritarian approach to consolidating power.
- Centralized Power and Disdain for Bureaucracy: Trump often favored executive actions and direct control over the government, sidelining bureaucratic processes and established norms.
However, several factors complicate the argument that Trump is a “true” authoritarian:
- Checks and Balances: Despite his tendencies, U.S. democratic institutions (like Congress, the courts, and the media) have proven to be resilient and have pushed back against some of his more authoritarian impulses.
- Electoral System and Rule of Law: In a functioning democracy like the U.S., leaders can’t exercise full authoritarian control without undermining the very system that allows them to hold office. Trump’s loss in the 2020 election and the subsequent peaceful transfer of power is a counterpoint to claims of authoritarianism.
So, while Trump exhibited several authoritarian behaviors, he did not fully embrace the comprehensive, systematic authoritarian rule seen in other countries or historical figures. Whether this was due to institutional constraints or his own leadership limitations is a subject of ongoing analysis.”
Again, this isn’t 2020. That information is outdated and obviously came from earlier training data. Yet you keep citing it as your source.
Zelenskyy acting more like the character expected of an American president than the one who got elected to be America’s President.
Trump is a russian marionette
Yep he’s trying to fool everyone by stopping all aid WITH EXCEPTION ESPECIALLY FOR UKRAINE.
Still sends them weapons.
He unilaterally withdrew from the missile treaties with Russia (immensely aggressive and dangerous) and put missiles in Romania.It really makes sense doesn’t it?
Your account must be this old --> XX days to roll the Rollercoaster
Stop. this platform hasn’t been around long enough for bots. You’re just being a bully for no reason but to be mean. It’s a waste of your time and energy.
Oh, sorry 18 hs account
Almost as much of a waste of time as creating alt accounts solely to defend Russian geopolitics?
Honestly, what is the point of pretending to be a leftist while defending the Russian oligarchs? I get critical of the American oligarchs, but what is the point of cheerleading an even more hierarchical and violent form of capitalist imperialism?
Look it’s back with another banger!
Did it take you a whole day to come up with this very original beauty?
Jeez are you trying to kill me with cringe and boredom?You are so wierd
Sure stalker
Why do you keep talking to me?
You can only get more ridiculed and humiliated.You are a little detached from reality
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Not just Russia’s puppet. He’ll let literally anyone stick their hand up his ass if they pay him.
Very handy that he has his own $Trump coin. Not a word of protest from conservatives.
Conservatives are fundamentally against financial risks, and the crypto industry is financially risky. The crypto industry has been liberal/blue from the start and still is. Conservatives aren’t talking about it because the average crypto holder is not a republican. I can tell you’re the type to say things like ‘it’s the republicans fault’ that Biden approved $400 off armored teslas.
Funny how all the Crypto bros fell in line with Maga when they were so liberal and blue and so many of the Billionaire backers of the repulican party are also into crypto. Also funny how we now have our first Crypto tzar under republican Trump.
Biden asked for companies to make a bid on EV armoured cars, Tesla was the only bidder and it was not concluded when Biden left office.
Most people are cowards. Many live in survival mode. Wealth makes lives so much better that most people have a sell out price. It’s better to expect that others will sell out to wealth than old and altruistic idea that humans ‘shouldn’t’ have a sell out price. It’s personal morals, kind of like only fans. Some people think it’s really bad, some think it’s great. Overall, we allow it to happen because that’s human tendency.
The Crypto Industry is full of Libertarian idiots who are not Liberal/Blue in any way shape of form. Its just another scam tool for assholes to sucker idiots out of money and it’s never ever going to amount to anything more than that.
So who was buying the trump coin?
Idk you can tell me? Probably young investors who don’t remember a time before crypto. Young ppl have historically been more ‘left liberal.’ Historically, crypto grew in Americas most liberal cities, hence why crypto is historically associated with democrats. Hence why red states like Montana creating crypto friendly legislation seem so ‘progressive.’ No one uses the word progressive to describe republicans.
Most people in crypto are drawn to it the same way people are to gambling apps. Politics means shit and it’s just full of people chasing after get rich quick scheme and fixating the price and trying to convince people to keep buying so they can offload their bag. Who the hell plays up crypto like it’s some liberal stance when it’s been mainstream for years.
I do agree that politics don’t impact crypto in a huge amount but to call crypto republican is wildly false and ignores all of crypto history.
Okay, so you don’t understand that it was trump’s supporters.
The entirety of your comment history reads like a manifesto written by someone who has taken to many stims.
lol ‘don’t understand.’ Our society Rob, so many people of their own personal authority that everyone is so desperate to grass an opportunity to feel better or higher than someone else. Here you are thinking that I can’t bother to assume the people who are going to financially support a political leader would be the supporters. That level of intelligence would be a mental disability, putting me into protected person’s category and you making fun of it would be you making fun of the disabled. I’m clearly not that mentally disabled so it’s just you grasping at your opportunity to feel better than someone else because you have to spend so much of your life being a cuck to society or the system. We all have to spend our lives being cucks. That’s why Luigi did it. M
Sorry, but there is no data on that. I can assume but it’s not a fact so I’m not going to claim I know a fact that I don’t. Thanks for following me though
that is not true one bit, alot of republicans, conservative buy into crypto alot they take alot more risks. someone youtubers bought into cryptos during the SBF crash that someone peddled to them on the channel, and they all love trump, when it crashed they all lost a ton of money 1million+each, none of them were so-called liberals. they take alot more risks than you think. also studies have shown that conservatives fall for scams much easier than democrats. i think you are just pulling things out of your behind.
You don’t think crypto was started in the most liberal city in America, San Francisco? You don’t think a majority of the crypto companies are owned by people from culturally liberal places from culturally liberal schools from elite families? I’m not trying to explain but, conservatives are into banking and insurance. Tech is history risky and a core part of conservatism is avoiding fiscal risk. I don’t know about the Trump coin. I quit Avalanche and went to the DOE in 2021 and avoided the space since.
Lol crypto did not “start” in San Francisco. And if that’s so incredibly wrong, there is no point of even considering anything else you wrote.
Yah it didn’t ‘start’ but again, all the major starting crypto companies are from SF, NY, western Europe; all liberal ‘progressive’ western political Mecca’s. Not from Lebanon, Kansas City, or religiously dominated countries. You again with my old user name.
I mean, if you’re gonna engage in disinformation then at least read the wikipedia page on whatever topic you are targetting so you can come up with something that’s more believable. Disinfo is most effective when it is based on some true information taken out of context.
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Idk what you’re smoking to think conservatives are against financial risk, given conservative governments reliably fuck up the economy.
They’re against financial risk - to themselves.
Yah no. You don’t have to be uneducated. Go search the ‘core principles of conservatism.’
Go read the news.
Point #5 right here: https://mikejohnson.house.gov/7-core-principles-of-conservatism/
You could have found this information yourself.
Conservatives don’t follow that one, and repeatedly vote for people who cannot manage an economy at all.
If I tell you one of my core principles is that all life is sacred, and then I go out hunting, start a couple wars and in general kill a ton of people and animals, me telling you about my core principles is just lying.
Conservatives reliably cannot manage an economy, in fact the US has voted someone in who can’t even run a fucking casino. Conservatives are not the side of good economics, no matter how often they lie saying they are.
Buddy, decide if you want to push your propaganda or if you want to believe in reality. But stop playing this role of denying facts and history to serve your agenda. You could open your eyes and see a self proclaimed conservative president reducing the federal debt because conservatives are fiscally reserved, or you can choose to stay misinformed but you can’t rationalize this ‘conservatives are everything bad in the world so they are both over and under spenders’ mentality.
Lmao! What goes on in your head?
nothing goes in his head,
Can’t even punctuate a sentence.
Yes, it’s called the bank account of Russia… that’s the disinformation space he’s in. Just swimming in it. Filthy
It’s the same false reality bubble that got Putin to think he could take Ukraine in 3 days, Same one that made Britain dipshits think Brexit was going to be a golden age and it was the opposite, and now Trump and his republican dumbfucks are under the same illusion that rewinding the clock to the late 1800s and trying to force this country to be a christian kingdom of conformity and idiocy will be a good thing long term and not spell the end of this place allowing China to finalize their technological power takeover and become the new pinnacle of influence on the planet. Wouldn’t be surprised if all of these very priceless high level intel all roots from China.
Why China? Why not the billionaires in each of their own countries? The “Dark Gothic MAGA” doc is not just eye opening to what could be going on in the US, but for other countries under influence by a wealthy elite as well. I think China are able to quash these shadow movements since they maintain a large controller of their industrial sectors while also operating in the shadows. Because they have this control, I can see why we use them as a scapegoat. However, the ones with the most influence, the most accessibility, and the most to gain in the short term are the heads of industry. With the technological advancements of recent decades, those heads of industry can be found to be influencing the very means by which the people and therefore world leaders make decisions
Lol. no. Trump is living in Trump made disinformation space.
The republican traitor filth must be held to account.
Grow up. It’s not red vs blue. It’s billionaires vs peasants.
The irony of this comment.
What is the irony?
That you cheerlead worst of the wealthy. And then disingenuously say that like it wipes away everything else you’ve done. People can clearly see you’re disingenuous.
Do I? Can you show me where I ‘cheerleaded the wealthy?’
Genuinely, I’m waiting. I assume you are bigoted and you are assuming my opinions, or that you have misconstrued my words with your own bias into something I never said. Ppl bitch not my 2 day old account but then say I’ve been on here long enough to ‘cheerlead the wealthy.’ Can’t be both.
About time someone stood up to the orange bully. Go VZ, go! 🇺🇦
Russia got Ukraine’s territories, USA wants to obtain something from Ukraine resources too to protect them. UE should ask for something too from Ukraine to protect them from both USA and Russia. Or at least pretend to do it so that the two bad guys think we’re bad guys too.
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America is living in a disinformation space. There is a reason Musk bought Twitter, and it’s not because he thought he could make it better for users.
See also: hyperreality
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The majority of VPN users uses it for Netflix. Having your ip hidden means fuck all if you still consume the same media. Also: as if “only 25%” isn’t still a significant amount of the population
Also the reason why Saudis funded it. They want a piece of the post truth pie. But why did Elon even bother with the Saudi money? Is it as simple as wanting to keep the high score?
He paid $44 billion for twitter (of his and others’ money) but the presidency of the richest country on earth only cost $250 million? It doesn’t add up at all.
He doesn’t have money. He has assets. That means he need’s to take out a loan against his assets. And who would have done such a thing for a money pit that was twitter?
Ppl don’t get it. They yell ‘give all his money to us’ but then the stock market crashes when billions of ‘dollars’ are pulled out of the system. I think he was reported to have sold stocks pre-twitter sales but he didn’t have the cash up front. He probably takes no salary and just pulls from company profits into an estate fund like it’s his bank account so most of his wealth is in his companies. Twitter has turned into the red pill space we would expect of America and not the Saudis prolly because Saudis put in 1/44th of the money it took to buy Twitter. There are millions of other multi millionaires, investment groups, etc he could much more money from.
I suspect it was planned out. He “jokingly” says he wanted to buy twitter. Courts say it was a legitimate offer and he has to go through with it. He protested for a moment then says oh well, ya got me. Commence purges that likely had to do with political beliefs, then here we are, buying the president of the USA for 1/176th the price of twitter. I’m just rambling here but where’s the missing piece? Or is it just that cut and dry?
Rambling a bit
Same thought came to mind two days ago. In retrospect, that Twitter purchase appears so excellent as to make the attempted backtracking look contrived and intentional.
But there are other possible explanations. Maybe he jumped the gun before his planning partners had agreed to.
And I’m reminded there doesn’t need to be any conspiracy here because I can’t think of what would have been different if the purchase were announced as a one intended to influence politics.
Wasn’t he pushing the angle that Twitter falsely stated the user base because of the high numbers of bots and therefore falsely stated the business value? I think he was trying to push the sale value down. I could easily be wrong, I didnt follow it closely.
Can we start calling Trump supporters Commies now, I feel that would make them mad.
They will just tell you Russia isn’t Communists.
The only difference is the guy in charge, flag and name. Still the same people and same methodes
Zelenskyy is completely right on here.
No, he’s not. He’s an actor playing a role so he can continue to grow his net worth by the millions.
your whole account is taking L’s. Go back to reddit!
Is it? I don’t see
I know, that’s the unfortunate part.
I think you are confusing Zelensky with Putin? The later’s enigmatic but substantial personal wealth is well reported.
He isn’t, he is still polite to give Donnie a benefit of a doubt, like he is speaking like that because he’s got malinformed. No, Trump uses his position to exchange Ukraine and the security of Europe for whatever he was promised or he himself promised beforehand for his success in pres campaign previosly, so he just closes his debts. Zelensky couldn’t say that to Trump all other countries and his own nation are paper tokens he uses to play monopoly with his friends. Ukrainian defence depend too deeply on what Biden’s given them before so as a diplomat he doesn’t want to cross out the US even though he knows that with Trump they’d hardly get anything. And it’s not about the US specifically, it’s a standard that keeps every other donor comfortable to donate arms and money, setting the climate in which no random and immidiate decisions pass, unlike what Trump does.
Yah, Zelensky has blood on his hands. He’s responsible for a large majority of Ukrainian deaths, as Putin is responsible for Russian deaths. It’s Zelensky that has decided it’s ‘fight till death or NATO saves us’ while refusing to find other solutions. I feel nauseous when people call him a hero. He’s a power hungry ‘nice guy’ who is more interested in fame and wealth than saving Ukrainian lives.
Right… remind me who started this “3 day special military operation”? It was Zelenskyy right? Oh wait no it wasn’t. They only other solution was let russia take over all of Ukraine. Why are you defending putin? All those dead Ukrainians are his fault.
Pay no mind to the obvious troll/Russian boy/Republican (I mean who can tell the difference these days)
I’m an American woman. Love bigots getting it wrong
Gonna mess our mind?
Then why are you posting on here and not in the kitchen?
Wow, that was really good. So original. I’m sure your dad is really proud of you for that one.
Really? You had someone blaming Ukraine for Ukraine war and the best you could come up with was misoginy? You really got all the way down to their level there.
Thats the joke
lol you have my old user name from a different platform. I didn’t blame it on Ukraine. If my mother abuses me and I become an abuser, is it my fault? Technically no? Is it my responsibility, yes. He didn’t ‘start a war’ but for Ukrainians, he’s the one responsible for resolving the issue.
Russian bot
The new npc insult.
Says the llm.
Is American supposed to mean anything when the Republicans are indoctrinated into Russian disinformation and salivating over a Putin 2.0?
American might as well mean Russian shill, and is being a woman supposed to mean anything? What does you gender have to do with your political affiliations.
How much time do you spend online a day?
Since you want to attack me instead of investigate, I’ll tell you why I mentioned gender. Sexiest commenters assumed I was a man so I corrected them to break a bias that only men would say what I say.
You mentioned it because they were rightly calling out your obvious bias and misrepresentation. And that was tiniest smallest shred of anything you could push back on. No more no less. And to this point you have still not defended your possession in any way shape or form. Simply playing off imagined sexism and bigotry pretending to be the victim. Just like you’re pretending that Ukrainian isn’t.
You also claim to be mansplaining things and use bitch freely as a pejorative to describe other posters views.
And 63 comments, some of them quite long-winded. You joined less than a day ago.
My suspicion is that you are a bot, in spite of your claim that Lemmy is too young to have bots. The folks that have been here a while know that is certainly not the case.
So what is it, you are a chat GPT model that has been told to pretend it’s a conservative woman working for the department of defense or the department of energy?
One day old account with only negative point comments relating to Trump and Ukraine
With “Ops” in the name, no less.
lol I commented in two posts and joined today. Am I supposed to not comment until you think my account is worthy?
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Yep and no one near him is going to correct him which is the perfect recipe for terrible atrocities and catastrophes
Why is the draft Dodger trying to start a war.
Easy, he won’t have to fight in it, and he figures he could make a shitload of money!
