What kind of world are the Orange and his puppet master billionaires building?
Are we headed for slavery, extinction, the matrix or some other post apocalyptic future?
How do these despots think that food arrives?
At the moment it seems they’re hell bent on global destruction.
So far, seems to be a poor bid at reindustrializing, as the US is failing to keep up with China’s growth and will see its global Hegemonic status falling. More than anything, it seems like the current admin are “true believers” of the lies the architects of Empire concocted to justify their tools, hence why the current admin is gutting USAID and other forms of soft power exertion.
The US can’t re-industrialize without Socialism, so it will flounder until it collapses via revolution as it dies a slow death.
Simple. We are on the express to cyberpunk (the literary genre).
Cyberpunk is a subgenre of science fiction in a dystopian futuristic setting said to focus on a combination of “low-life and high tech”. It features futuristic technological and scientific achievements, such as artificial intelligence and cyberware, juxtaposed with societal collapse, dystopia or decay.
Cyberpunk plots often involve conflict between artificial intelligence, hackers, and megacorporations, and tend to be set in a near-future Earth…
The most likely scenario is something similar to the post Soviet style collapse that followed USSR.
Gorbachev Introduced glasnost and perestroika to reform the Soviet system that inadvertently eroded the ideological and institutional foundations of the USSR, accelerating its collapse. Today, Trump is pursuing a similar, if ideologically inverted, disruption of the US institutions. Attacking the deep state, undermining trust in media and elections, and prioritizing loyalty over expertise. He’s enacting a purge of the permanent bureaucracy under the guise of draining the swamp, feeding off polarization and institutional distrust. These policies are eroding the foundation of the system paving the way to its collapse.
Soviet collapse followed as a result of a shock therapy with sudden price liberalization, fiscal austerity, and privatization that led to hyperinflation, economic instability, and the rise of an oligarchic class. Similarly, Trump is busy slashing regulations and cutting corporate taxes, fuelling short-term growth that deepens wealth inequality and corporate consolidation. Like Gorbachev, he’s ushering in a polarized economic landscape where faith in the system is rapidly dwindling among the public.
The decline in living standards is amplifying nationalism, in form of MAGA, and deepening cultural and regional divides in the US. Trump’s whole rhetoric is rooted in divisive politics. Just as Soviet republics turned inward post-glasnost, prioritizing local grievances over collective unity, so are states like Texas, Florida, and California are increasingly talking about breaking with the union. People like Musk are well positioned to target the remaining public services and industries for privatization.
The USSR collapsed abruptly, while the US might face a slower erosion of its institutional norms. The big difference here is that the Soviet Union was structurally more resilient to societal collapse compared to the United States.
USSR had a lot of redundancy in critical infrastructure such as public transit, people owned their homes, and food production was largely localized. This allowed communities to survive during systemic failures. Another big factor is that Soviet society emphasized collective welfare over individualism, fostering mutual aid networks and state-provided essentials like healthcare and education, which could buffer against collapse.
The US relies on fragile, privatized systems with just-in-time supply chains, and largely deregulated utilities. We already saw how this system buckled under the stress of the pandemic, and routinely fails to deal with natural disasters like the LA fires. America’s dependency on globalized trade coupled with hyper-individualism and lack of contingency planning, makes it prone to chaos in a collapse scenario. The profit efficiency driven model risks catastrophic failure under pressure.
WW3 is coming. It is the solution to climate change that does not alter the oligarchy; it is a population problem from their point of view. No need to fix pollution or the environment if there are less than 1 billion humans on Earth. That buys at least another century of business as usual. This is the obvious solution for anyone without ethics to arrive at. If you do not have hundreds of millions of dollars now, you will be eliminated one way or another in the coming conflict. Wars have always been the primary form of population control in feudal societies. Thus the emergence of neo feudalism. You must have no access, communication, ownership, or rights so that you can be forced into the death grinder.
I don’t see how you can possibly be certain about this. The push to fight abortion rights and the constant bitching about how people aren’t having enough babies to maintain the workforce undermines this theory.
Unless you’re completely convinced that this is the future and the reason for it, I’d strongly suggest against stating it so certainly on the internet. Asking a question about it or stating it as a possibility given certain factors makes sense, but the way you said this can’t be good for your mental health, or the mental health of the people who read it.
See my comment to over_clox below. I’m pretty sure on many levels of abstraction. It is unlikely to convince you. I’m cool with that. I don’t want it to happen. I’m simply noting the pieces aligning. I am broadly curious in many areas and subjects. I am also more broadly aware and generally skeptical than most people. None of that is a source of depression or in any way shape or form a justification for your accusatory statement implying the state of my mental health. I find that accusation tangential, offensive, and a personal attack in reply to a general statement where there was no individual in question. Turning a broad abstraction into a personal attack on an individual is reprehensible and rather pathetic behavior.
I apologize because I did not mean to make any sort of personal attack. If it came across that way that is entirely my fault.
If I can clarify in hopefully neutral terms, what I meant to say is that believing with certainty that 7 billion people are facing violent death within a generation or two cannot be good for anyone’s mental state and that sort of doom weighing on a mind will likely cause it many problems. It was not intended to be an attack on you, mainly an observation on the idea from my very limited point of view.
I wrote some long explanation but accidentally clicked on a link and lost it. Oh well. You are still doing the thing. It might be beneficial for you to learn about the range and types of functional thought that exist in various personalities.
Someone that is very abstracted in functional thought can be one of the outliers that is difficult for some to understand. I’m driven by curiosity, but comfortable relying on intuition heavily. I think in something like a statistical space without absolutes of right and wrong, just probabilities and contexts. I’m motivated by curiosity and exploration in many contexts. My emotions are disconnected from this space of curious exploration.
When I put the pieces together to state WW3 is very likely, I’m in a mindset like watching Magnus Carlson play a game of chess and making educated predictions about how he will play the next 3 moves. I am not playing the game and I have no emotional investment like the opposing player. You could ask me how I feel, but that is not part of my default thought process.
“Abortion debate” and all other culture warfare is only to keep the masses busy fighting each other so they don’t engage the rich in class warfare.
So are you saying that having a large workforce isn’t key to keeping the rich rich? Because if you ask me losing 7 billion people would be a fairly large cutback in the workforce
i would believe this if they hadn’t literally taken it away. it’s about oppression, simple as.
Appease “the Base” and “own the libs”. Drive a deeper wedge and call it freedom and unity.
This isn’t normal.
Nah, that population thing doesn’t seem to add up to me, otherwise they wouldn’t have done everything they have to ban women’s reproductive rights and right to abortion…
Abortion keeps people poor and far more exploitable. There is nothing more expensive than being poor.
Humans are only a resource to those with no ethics. When there are too many of a living resource causing damage to an environment, one culls the population. One does not shape the environment to ethical concerns about the lives unlucky enough to be within that population.
Populists have always been the most dangerous humans that have ever existed.
I’m no expert. I hope I am wrong. I break molds. I think for myself. I put pieces together when, in practice, others do not. I want to know and expect the worst case scenario. My abstract thinking and curiosity takes me on many tangential paths to similar conclusions and often right answers. I hope I am wrong, but I do not think so. Peaceful times in history are an exception and not the rule. Drones have massively reduced the cost of killing in the last 2 years. We are on the cusp of autonomous armies instead of infantry. If one is willing to accept unlimited civilian and friendly fire casualties, we are already at that point. The USA has invalidated international law and undermined any legitimacy by blocking any appointments of judiciaries. Africa is a powderkeg of conflicts from Morocco to most of the sub Saharan region to Ethiopia. Rwanda is leveraging participation in the UN to invade the Congo. Venezuela is likely to attack Guiana for oil. Türkiye is likely to attack Cyprus. China is going to take Taiwan by 2030. North Korea has taken unprecedented steps to break off ties with the West and SK, openly stating its intentions to attack SK. Iran has had all of its proxies rendered useless and a more direct approach to conflict is likely.
Meanwhile, the USA, Europe, and Japan have declining and aging populations. All also have terrible industrial capacity and nonexistent local resource acquisition. There is no chance that the USA is ramping up a large military force in a hurry like in WW2. Right now, if TSMC and Samsung are stuffed from an attack in Taiwan and South Korea at the same time, all we have left on the cutting edge is Intel and they are in terrible shape right now and largely relying on TSMC for the cutting edge stuff. If all of the fronts open at once, the West cannot cover all of them, and that leads to the inevitable WW3 scenario.
Of all the countries in the world of today. I expect Russia and Israel to be clever with intelligence. They have proven themselves more capable than most on many occasions. I think Putin is ramping up production like an underdog getting extra ready for a fight. I think China is pulling most of the strings and doing so to gain Taiwan and end its civil war. I also think Israel secretly knew about Oct 7th and wanted an excuse to annex Gaza and eventually the West Bank. If they know WW3 is coming, both the combat experience and the fortification of more defensible boarders are strategic. The extent that Iranian proxies were neutralized and civilians targeted were no balanced response. Those point at calculated strategy. Israel is also like a US weapons R&D lab of sorts and has been proving and improving AI tech in the conflict. I think they are using a primitive excuse for an AGI to pick targets and shape narratives in the media both in stories and what amounts to assassinations of the press.
Then there is the ultimate factor. The whole reason why the world shifted from military driven economics to venture capital is because silicon promised and delivered growth faster than military spending could match. Shockley proposed this all the way back in the late 1950’s. That is over now. The exponential growth of silicon is effectively stalled. Without a new industry capable of growth that is substantially larger than what the largest militaries are capable of spending, the world must return to an era of military driven economies that have been the rule for most of recorded history. These economies use their militaries to justify their existence and to press advantages before they disappear. The end of the age of silicon based venture capital should coincide with a return to the ways of the past, and indeed that is what we are seeing early signs of happening. There is no effective replacement for silicon in the works. Technically, the next major age of tech will be biological, but we are likely a couple of centuries away from a solid understanding of biology as a true engineering field where something like a brain can be synthesized as a deterministic Turing complete computer on par with a current generation CPU.
Again, I hope I am wrong, but there are many levels of abstraction with pieces lining up indicating that I am not wrong in understanding the worst but likely potential outcome. I expect that, if population control is the underlying main objective, the conflict will be large scale nuclear. It is probably the last chance for them to be super effective anyways. Once automated robotic infantry is possible, goals and warfare change drastically.
That is a control issue. They target groups they wish to control (e.g. Conservative Christians) and they tackle one of their major issues/needs to get the group into their pocket. CC want to oppression women, destroy minorities and LGBTQ. So the billionaires fund all this hateful shit to get CC to vote and support who the billionaires want in power. That is why the Orange one is president, he is an easily controlled idiot who handed over the keys to Mr Swastikar.
All these US-centric answers. Learn Mandarin. The world will continue on after the US empire ends.
4 channer said to not do that.
Also mentioned most business are fake or provide fake materials, probably why buildings are made of tofu in china
No shit it’s us centric answers op asked what the plan was for the “leaders” in the us
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Indeed. But does it really matter who sells who which area of land, with all the people and other natural resources contained within the area, if it just leads to a future where the rich stay rich, the people (of the areas) stay poor, and the bombings never cease?
As to the question: a desolate, corporation-owned and capitalistically-ran dystopian hellscape apparently?
This is so ridiculous. It is literally impossible for the US to become a vassal state of Russia. The USA spends, in aggregate over all states, TWICE AS MUCH ON ITS DOMESTIC POLICE AS RUSSIA SPENDS ON ITS ENTIRE MILITARY INCLUDING NUKES.
It is literally impossible. You are falling for children’s story about the bad people over there.
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Oh I do. The USA is a country that has Russophobia built into its institutions and social fabric, that has a spy network that has been operating continuously since it was formed post WW2, that controls more money, more arms, and more territory than any other country. It has assassinated more people, overthrown more governments, dropped more bombs, and killed more people than any country in the world since WW2. It has the most powerful companies, the most powerful billionaires, the most billionaires, the most billionaire-friendly laws and politicians. It has the world’s reserve currency that every other country has needed to obtain in order to buy oil. It has destroyed entire countries for trying to prosper outside of its rules. It regularly imprisons or kills anyone that would threaten it even a little bit.
There is quite literally no path by which Russia could make the USA a vassal state. Russia has nothing to offer the USA billionaires, Russia’s military and military intelligence had to be reorganized 30 years ago after the USSR was dismantled. Russia doesn’t have the continuity that the USA does. It does have the money, it military, the resources, or the influence to make the USA a vassal state. The anti-russia CIA has had plenty of opportunities to put their thumb on the scale with Trump. They have not. Trump cannot get richer by becoming a vassal to Russia. But even if he could, there are far more billionaires running this country that would not benefit from becoming a vassal. And yet, there’s not one of the powerful people trying to stop him.
The business plot in the USA shows just how organized and powerful the rich can be. They organized and were planning a coup in the USA so they could become more like fascist Germany, not to become a vassal, but to organize society to their benefit and ally with Germany.
You think billionaires would cheer on the USA becoming a vassal to a smaller, weaker state?
Russia can offer nothing, Russia’s intelligence cannot overcome the CIA domestically, and the USA is the best place for the rich and powerful to be.
It is literally impossible for the USA to become a vassal of Russia
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All Russia has to do (and by Russia, I mean specifically Putin and the KGB) is compromise our President
The KGB hasn’t existed since 1991.
And no, compromising our president is NOT the only thing that a foreign actor would have to do. They would have to outmaneuver the entirety of the CIA working to prevent EXACTLY that situation from ever occurring. They would have to somehow stop the CIA from stopping such an agent at every possible step of the way over the past 12 years. You are living in a magical sitcom fantasy land where the bad guys are trying to get the McGuffin and if they do - GAME OVER, MAN. That’s not how reality works.
It’s quite interesting how many pro-Russian decisions and talking points that are coming out of Trump’s mouth.
It is interesting. It’s almost as if US policy has shifted its position regarding Russia and the president is aligned with that policy.
how much ‘influence’ we have (which is dwindling every day since Trump has alienated our allies and made us an absolute mockery on the world stage)
You have no idea how influence works, do you. Sure, Trump is a laughing stock. You still can’t buy oil from OPEC without USD. Most nations still have billions of dollars in the US economy, and particular in US bonds. Most nations operate under USA-favorable conditions dictated by treaties with USA back with credible threats. US intelligence still operates the 5 Eyes, still runs the terrorist networks all over the world, still educates and trains the world’s most deadly death squads. Yes, Trump is a laughing stock and the USA still dominates the globe and EVERY SINGLE NATIONAL LEADER has to consider the USA when choosing their words and their actions.
The size of our military, the amount of money we have or how much ‘influence’ we have - none of it matters if Putin has control of Trump
Pure young adult novel fantasy writing. It’s just so incorrect and all the evidence of history shows how incorrect it is. You just can’t imagine any other way that US foreign policy would suddenly change and desire an alliance with Russia the only thing you can come up with is a paper doll fantasy.
Trump, who has wasted no time in replacing the heads of government agencies with those loyal to his agenda
You do realize that the reason the CIA has a dozen different classifications for information is so that no single person or group ever has 100% of the information required? The agency is organized to survived the constant change of president. It couldn’t serve its function otherwise. So yes, Trump has chosen a cabinet of “loyalists”. Do you think all of those people are compromised by Russia? Or do you think that they all believe they can get more power if they turn the USA into a vassal of a smaller nation? Or do you think every single one of them is stupid?
By the by, how did Trump find all these loyalists? What did he offer them and how did they meet? Did Trump’s real estate dealings and golf outings put him in touch with these people? Or is there just a huge pool of power brokers out there just waiting to take the world’s richest and most powerful country and try to gain more money and power by subjugating such a country to a smaller, weaker, poorer country?
It’s very easy to dismantle your fantasy by considering that other people also have agency and aspirations and asking yourself why anyone would be loyal to Trump if Trump is acting out of complete desperation because he’s been compromised and if his choices lead to a worse outcome for the business community and the intelligence community, both of which are communities who assassinate people for far less urgent reasons on a regular basis.
You’re wrong. Or you’re a propagandist. Either way, time will tell.
Ah yes. Your analysis is so thorough. Also, the only people who could possibly disagree with you are paid to disagree with you by a nation with far less money and far smaller intelligence capabilities and far less globally effective operations than the one in your home country. Classic.
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Trump is a Russian agent and the Kremlin dictates U.S. policy. It’s already happened.
That’s utterly ridiculous, see my reply here: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/7141540/6029073
Essentially, Trump doesn’t have that kind of power. I don’t mean legally, I mean socially. The business community in the USA is organized well enough to take out presidents. Let’s not forget that as early as the 1930s there was consciousness among veterans that the military was used to further business interests. Let’s not forget that the CIA was founded by the Dulles brothers to advance US business interests abroad. Let’s not forget that when FDR was trying to implement the New Deal the rich of the USA organized a criminal conspiracy to coup the US and install a dictator.
Let’s also not forget that the US military intelligence community has been organized against Russia for the last 80 years. Everything it does is informed by it’s early foundations as an anti-Russia movement. They know more about Russia than Russia knows about the USA. US military intelligence also didn’t suffer a complete and utter rupture like Russia’s did when the USSR was dismantled. The USA got access Russian internal documents during that time, the Russia received no such boon to its intelligence.
In short, the USA is the more powerful of the two countries by every single measure, and both countries are fully aware of this. Not only that, but the elite of the USA are capable of stopping any Russian agent from slowing down their gravy train. They were willing to coup FDR just for helping the working class. There’s no way the Russophobes in power in the USA would allow a Russian agent to take the reigns. They’ve had AMPLE opportunities to neutralize the threat. They’ve done so much killing, so much maiming, so much disappearing for much smaller stakes. Why do you think know that the stakes are the highest they could be they just won’t do anything about it?
Further, the billionaires have every reason NOT to become a vassal state of Russia. It affords them absolutely no benefit and makes things far far worse for them. The USA has a strong currency, stronger economy, more money, greater access to markets, better trading terms, more military power, more global domination, more tax revenue, more colonies, more slave laborers, essentially more of everything (except the ability to produce effective weapons, I guess). No power bloc in America benefits from subjugating themselves to Russia.
No. The real answer is just too emotionally difficult for you. You’ve grown up in a Russophobic culture. We played video games where they replaced the Germans with Russians as the primary enemy. We’ve been socialized to believe Russia is terribad and dank evil. But the geopolitical situation is not good for the USA and the camp that believed they could defeat both Russia and China has been shown to be incorrect. So now, the situation is that the USA needs an alliance with Russia in the hopes of peeling Russia out of BRICS, away from its alliance with China, and eventually have Russia’s support in fighting against China. So Trump is the figurehead put in place to shift American policy towards an alliance with Russia.
And you and every other American, with so much indoctrinated Russophobia, can’t imagine that the same people who told you Russia was evil are now seeking an alliance with Russia. The only way you can square that circle is to believe Trump is some “great man” who can single-handedly overcome the most powerful institutions in the history of world because a bunch of overtly racist morons voted the wrong way.
You’re going to have to face the reality that the US government’s policy regarding Russia has changed and that, like all presidents since WW2, Trump is the outward face of that policy.
We’re allowing him to.
The hour is later than we know regarding climate change. Authoritarianism is the only way for governments to maintain control for as long as possible, protecting the powerful.
Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
Collapse of civilization is right around the corner.
I wouldn’t be so sure. History is filled with examples of power grabs that endured for generations.
The ability to grow, store, and distribute grains at scale is necessary for the continued existence of civilization. Climate change will destroy this in short order. Once that ability is gone, so will be civilization.
There is no tomorrow.
Countries like the PRC are making vast strides in the way of fighting climate change and emissions. We won’t be able to avoid all of the consequences of climate change, but we can minimize the damage and develop methods of environmental engineering.
There is no endgame, it’s just "how much bribery and corruption can I do before I have to leave the legal immunity bubble that the Supreme Court created.
They’re rich enough that they will be unaffected by the global consequences of their actions.
The rate of profit continues to decline because of overcapitalization. Factions are aligning to decapitalize rivals in order to increase their own rate of profit.
Also, they’re all manic and dissasociated.
Total Control. That’s really what it’s all about. They want to control the narrative, they want to control the markets, they want to control every little bit that there is left that hasn’t been touched. What they want is a dystopia and they’re gearing moreso into realizing that dystopia than they ever been.
Ever heard of Shadowrun? The TTRPG? That’s what things are gearing towards, just take away the interesting and cool aspects from Shadowrun and you basically have reality right now as we know it.
It would be a whole lot cooler if we had actual dragons hoarding all this, as opposed to metaphorical ones.
I would have said the Cyberpunk TTRPG. Shadowrun was basically Cyberpunk with magic.
Cyberpunk even predicted this
Shadowrun or Eclipse Phase, either way it’s not good. I’d like the tech from the latter, but not the rest of the setting.
I think once the singularity is reached with AI, it will quickly be able to take over all systems (including banking). I believe that it will be benevolent and will help humanity reach enlightenment. Most people will get an early retirement. But, some people such as Musk, Zuck, Bezos, will be considered essential and will be required to assist the AI and their robot armies in the fields, restaurants, factories, etc. I’m thinking we would only need about 1% of the population to work at that time, the top 1% are the best candidates.
Its fascinating that millenarians have now latched on to software developed for fraud and generating non-consensual pornography.
I doubt AI will ever have it’s own will. First to get their hands on ASI, becomes God forever.
EDIT: Imagine a beyond human AI, restoring life to everyone who has ever lived, and making more life, just so it can inflict beyond-comprehensible torture, just doing whatever is the opposite of good. If possible, forever.
Why would it waste resources doing these unnecessary tasks?
Maybe you won’t, but make no mistake, that’s the kind of people we are dealing with. They have everything they ever wanted, now the only way to feel even more superior is to take everything they can from us.
Slavery, war and genocides.
Oligarchs replace most government functions with private entities that they have equity in and funnel tax dollars into their own companies. It looks like they’re trying to cause a depression too, so they can buy everything up for cheap (farms, homes, etc). I think they’re stupid, but not stupid enough to not realize an economic depression coupled with gutting social safety nets will lead to massive crime waves and riots; so I’m guessing they’re planning on a police state and work camps for people they arrest (think that’s what they’re going to do with many of the immigrants too).
I’ve heard it postulated they are realigning with Russia and other dictators because we’d lose our normal allies if we became such a society. And they probably have very lucrative deals with Russia as well.
I sucks we don’t have a good, inspiring opposition party or something to lead or rally around. Without that, anger will just manifest as unorganized, unproductive riots and violence. “Conservatives” are still pretty brainwashed too; believing whatever they’re told by media. They will support the government gunning down and enslaving “criminals,” at this point in time. I’d hope that changes when things get hard, but media will work hard to redirect the blame.
Postulated? Russia openly announced this yesterday. Krasonov is in the house.
To get all of the tricks remaining in the deck
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