• melsaskca@lemmy.ca
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    Zuckerberg, go play with your BBS and let us worry about what needs to be discussed in this myopic, dystopic world.

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    any terminally ill people down to go down in history as a fucking chad with a rifle or a drone?? anyone??

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      We’re all terminally ill on a long enough timeline.

      So… Was that an offer to be our chad?

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        im canadian, i wouldnt want to cause ww3 by assassinating a foreign leader.

        Sorry Americans, this is your mess, you gotta clean it up this time :/

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          cause world war 3

          dude, if a canadian assassinated any american leaders, I’d just think more highly of canadians.

          plus, they’re gonna invade you at some point anyway.

          not that it should be your responsibility. the travel costs alone; oof. there are people who walk by these bastards every day.

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      Really I’d wager it’s more Snow Crash myself, it’s a book that most of these Silicon Valley guys would have grown up with.

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        Cyberpunk 2077 was just a continuation of Cyberpunk 2020, which came out before Snow Crash.

        In reality, I think the tech bros pull from all sorts of media and don’t restrict themselves to just one bible.

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          That’s a good point. Snow Crash does lean heavily into the metaverse in a way that is very aligned with Zuckerberg’s concept of it. I remember early interviews with some silicon valley guys and when Stephenson was the darling out there l, like with the early Xbox guys or Google Earth.

          Maybe Cyberpunk was popular too but just didn’t break through to more mainstream news.

  • sp3ctr4l@lemmy.zip
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    I am just hearing the end of 2112 by Rush, the guitars and effects wailing as a vocoded voice repeats ‘WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL’…

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      Tech fascists see America’s democracy and financial system as collapsing.

      That’s because you’re the one breaking it down

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      It’s fascist city states that market themselves as tax free libertarian, likely hedonistic. Tech has little (maybe ultra deregulated healthcare) to do with anything other than billionaires who came from tech get to decide who is allowed in. This is a model in Israel and Arab kingdoms with less hedonism, but high slavery levels.

      The US is definitely on path to collapse. Current administration is accelerating it. Gifting federal lands to become tax havens is setting it to 11.

      Many of these tech bros also talk about an actual solution: Freedom dividends. High tax libertarianism with freedom for all. Power redistribution. Don’t compete for jobs we can’t do as well as China or robots. Or spend on/promote war. Freedom dividends ends crimes and makes fair labour markets. Fascism and slavery as the “libertarian utopian phoenix from ashes of US” is going to be straight mad max fascism and slavery instead of utopia.

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    I had never heard about the “Network State” concept before, but now I hate it, because Zuckerberg sure as hell loves it

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      Basically. I mean there’s a bit more to it than that but it’s the core idea. It’s also the goal of several tech oligarchs which is why he doesn’t want the peons to be able to talk about it.

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        The term cyberpunk was first used to describe settings such as Snowcrash, i.e. dystopian corporate sci-fi, before it was adopted as a name for the gaming franchise.

        I’m not sure if the person you are replying to was using it as a noun or an adjective, I parsed it is an adjective because it’s more inclusive.

        Anyway… using cyberpunk to refer to the game franchise, would be a disambiguation. This is the article referring to the original usage.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberpunk?wprov=sfla1

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          Yep, I just want more people to read the book because I like it. Cyberpunk the game rocks, Snowcrash rocks.

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          I was referring to cyberpunk as a genre and theme, I remembered some things after reading this post like shadowrun, cyberpunk ttrpg, Gibson’s books, system shock, etc.

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            Yeah, I just tend to think of that stuff as corporate feudalism. And I learned that concept from playing shadowrun as a kid and then getting into other cyberpunk stuff.

            And yeah, it seems to be the direction we are headed. Elon musk is a fan of blade runner and I don’t think he identifies with the poor people but the rich CEO.

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      I’m reading the Sprawl trilogy along with Shelved By Genre, and Gibson harps on the note that ‘the Ultra Rich aren’t human’, and has some great examples in the books.

      I think he was very observant, and Musk makes it so blatant.

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    The idea isn’t necessarily tied to oligarchy or fascism or anything like that. It originates in the early ideals of the Internet where people hoped its anarchic energy could be a force for freedom. Things have not really shaken out like that, e.g. the net ended up being dominated by tech giants rather than a profileration of small websites, and China’s Great Firewall showed how states can put swathes of the internet under their thumb after all. But some of us still buy into some of that spirit (though the Network State idea itself is unrealistic). Heck, Lemmy and the Fediverse are a part of that.

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      I agree. Coming together to build something scientifical or technological that doesn’t involve the government doesn’t necessarily mean coming up with corporate money to fund and exclude everyone but their personal interests.

      This is a social endeavor like any other. You can’t blaim bringing people together for the corporate interests of this kind of enterprise (the Network State).

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      what an outrageously obtuse and factually devoid take.

      congrats, you win the award for worst oversimplification I’ve ever read.

      you can’t do much with the award. Then again I can’t do much with whatever you posted, so I guess that makes us even.

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    I’ve been reading a little about this concept and can’t see how it would work in reality. Sure, the Feds could “set aside” some land for one of these assholes to set up a new city. But that area would still be under the concurrent jurisdiction of a state and county. And not even the Feds can exempt a city from a state’s regulatory environment. In fact most of the things these billionaires are trying to get away from (labor laws, building codes, etc) are state regulations in the first place.

    Frankly no billionaire is going to want to live in the middle of South Dakota, no matter how “free” it supposedly is.

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      I believe the idea is that Trump is likely to sell our national parks to them.

      That’s the current conspiracy gossip I believe.

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      Everyone seems to forget a bunch of tech bros bought almost $1B worth of land in Solano County CA with the stated goal of building a new city. It made national headlines for a bit as the buyer was initially a mystery and it’s near Travis Air Force base so there was concern it was foreign actors.

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        Rich people trying to buy land for their own slice of paradise goes way back. Solano County is recent history, young squire. I go back to the Free State project from 2001, same song and dance. Or the non-government wet dream of Sealand off the coast of England in 1987, ditto. And if one wants to go even more old school than that, look at the rich Confederate plantation owners that went to Brazil after the CSA fell in 1865. You can even go down to the town of Americana every year and celebrate the Confederacy! These fuckers wanted to deny that they lost so badly that they created a false reality in Brazil.

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    Shut down and delete your data on your US tech accounts. Their business’s are worthless without our accounts.

    It’s a process, start today! With the easy ones and work towards the hard ones.