They sell things that come in cups, or with napkins. Lots of people cycle/run/walk here instead of driving, seems pretty stupid.
Taking away the bins doesn’t mean you don’t produce rubbish…
Edit: I think there is still a bin IN the cafe, but most people eat/drink outside. Lots of people asking staff where the bins are. Still hypocritical I think though? (And still mildly infuriating to remove well used bins!)
That might sound backwards but it isn’t
Squirrels and raccoons will rummage, and disperse trash. There isnt much you can do about that beyond 1. Harm wildlife or 2. Reduce trash.
Edit: Damn, this thread is full of people I would be fucking embarrassed to camp with. Where do y’all like to experience the outdoors so I can be sure to not cross your paths?
There aren’t many wild camping spots in the UK, especially in forests. Definitely no raccoons either haha. This area would be more for walking or picnicking.
I’ll go out on a limb that Raccoons won’t rummage here :)
I agree with the sentiment but if they have a cafe selling things in disposable packaging then the best thing they can do is provide bins to deal with it. Pretending they don’t generate rubbish is just a false accounting trick.
No racoons here. The previous bins had spring loaded flaps to keep the animals out.
Or 3, provide animal-proof garbage disposals.
I can attest that people around me in the south talk about how they love nature but if opening the trash can requires more than 3 brain cells they will most likely just throw their in the back of their truck and know it will blow out down the road or drop it next to the trash can and be proud they are keeping some custodial staff employed
No bears left in blighty.
Yeah, typical Americans - won’t look elsewhere for solutions…
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bear-proof-garbage-bins-made-in-lethbridge-1.4542351
You missed the the bit about dumbest tourists.
I get it that it is hip to hate on Americans right now, but your post is so unnecessarily self-righteous.
It’s been hip to hate on Americans for decades. It’s just more justified now. But you’re right, not because of bears.
Yeah, typical Americans - won’t look elsewhere for solutions…
We have those all over the place. Large National Parks like Yosemite are a special corner of hell because you quite literally have hordes of tourists from all over the world visiting on a daily basis. Randos who’ve rarely ever left the city see a can like that and may not know how to use it. In a place like Yosemite that rando could easily be from anywhere in the world.
Meanwhile I know of dozens of these kinds of cans located in some very small parks and camping areas here in Wyoming and no one has any problems with them at all.
Us “Americans” have those cans already and many of us know how to use them. You’ll need to find some other kind of shit to sling around.
Or
4. Continue to treat people as spoiled toddlers and hire servants to clean up after them.And when it’s full or people still don’t want to walk 20 feet to them?
Also nothing is “animal proof” it’s all resistant and reliant on humans not being asses. Which they always prove they are when it comes to garbage.
Providing garbages doesn’t make people use them…
And when it’s full
They don’t magically empty themselves, you have to hire someone to empty them.
Which is the REAL reason places are removing bins. Everything else is just lies. They are reducing labor costs. That is ALL.
or people still don’t want to walk 20 feet to them?
This is the sort of case where I’ll make an effort to pick it up and throw it away. Even better if visibly clean (not in the bushes, not wet) and something somebody may have just forgot.
If there’s no trash can anywhere, I likely won’t unless certain conditions align.
🙄
Or just like, pollute less and stop relying on others to clean up after you.
Especially when you leave your home.
And you think that’s going to happen by removing the trashcans?
Think?
It’s well established peer reviewed scientific literature.
That paper has nothing to do with trash or cans rofl
Or 3) change the garbage regularly on a bin with a latching lid. (common in forested areas)
This isn’t just a random bit of forest either, it’s near a shop that’s providing the public with a bunch of disposable items like paper cups and napkins. Not providing somewhere to dispose of those is inevitability going to lead to people leaving their garbage behind.
It mildly infuriates me that you can’t see the logic in taking your rubbish with you when you leave.
You’re weird for not knowing the OP’s actual point?
While this is the ideal outcome, in reality people are just going to throw their trash in the bushes.
People who do this already did even when bins were still there. Because placing rubbish into pocket or backpack is so hard!
And they should be fined for dumping.
Or the park could invest in basic services instead of criminalizing guests.
Littering used to be illegal most places. It should be illegal pretty much every public place. If you’re breaking the law, you’re criminalizing yourself. This is like saying we shouldn’t resurface roads because it criminalizes speeders.
I can see taking things that I brought with me like granola bar wrappers and water bottles, but if you have a cafe selling cheeseburgers, fountain drinks, and coffee, it seems dumb to expect people to carry all that home rather than allowing them to throw it away at the same place they bought and consumed it.
Yeah but the Cafe does have bins inside. It’s just the park that removed the public waste bins.
Well, I hadn’t seen that mentioned anywhere, so if that’s the case I agree it’s not a big deal to pack your trash back to the cafe.
Yeah I guess that tidbit was added in later by OP when people started asking questions.
It’s a cafe area; they are giving you trash with your meal/drink, not providing a bin for it, then expecting you to pack it out.
Expecting people to packout the garbage they brought with them is one thing (that still doesn’t get followed); but if you’re going to provide the public with trash, you’ve gotta give them somewhere to dispose of it.
The cafe has bins. OP amended the post admitting that they do. The bins are inside, but either way, they do exist.
Saying they are committed to producing no rubbish on site on a sign, then selling things that result in rubbish, is hypocritical.
Do you have an example of something that would be sold that had no resulting rubbish?
bread bowl lol
You eat the spoon?
i think they should invent bread spoons for that purpose
Bread comes in a package… The soup that goes in it had a container…. Utensils to consume…?
The cafe has a garbage, and they don’t want it filled up with public waste, so when you’re done, take it back to the cafe and they will gladly dispose of their garbage for you.
No, which is why it’s stupid to take bins away from stores/cafes.
I don’t see a cafe in the picture? Are you sure this isn’t down the trail and the cafe still has a garbage…?
Cafe deals with its own garbage, and I’m sure if you asked to put your napkin in it, they wouldn’t have a single issue.
The cafe obviously doesn’t want its garbage filled up with what people brought with them, they will deal with their own, 100% guaranteed.
Going from OPs description as the sign doesn’t show the area. There is a couple benches in the background, which leads me to believe it’s reasonably accurate.
Obv the situation is a little different if OPs not being honest.
Even then, the cafe will take your garbage and put in their bin. They don’t want their refuse filled up with public waste as the charge would fall on them.
Clearly they have a way of still dealing with waste…. And why wouldn’t they take their own waste back? People are going off the deep end without even stopping to think for half a fucking second.
Or… You could just put a bin where the public can use it.
This is stupid.
Photo is under the red dot (
you can see the play area in the background of the photo)nvm, no you can’t. But that’s where it is!
So the inside of the cafe obviously has bins that could be used… and they don’t want to PUBLIC non cafe people filling it……
Do people even stop to think for 2 seconds before bitching?
So only mildly infuriating?
Food that comes on reused plates and/or drinks in reused cups. Much of the advertising around littering prevention was developed by industries who saw profits in creating a lot of single use items that wanted to shift the blame for any litter to individuals instead of them. When you see an empty bottle of Pepsi floating in a pond, Pepsi deserves more criticism than whoever dropped that specific bottle since they are the ones who brought it into the world, and they do it on a much larger scale than any 1 person could ever manage.
Food that comes on reused plates and/or drinks in reused cups.
The food all came in packaging, and stuff breaks or gets dropped, NOTHING is ever rubbish free dude…
Take your garbage back to cafe, they removed the bins so it wouldn’t be filled up by other people’s shit.
If you are a business generating rubbish, it is your moral responsibility to account for that rubbish. The business selling stuff doesn’t have their employees filling their pockets with the bulk food packaging rubbish at the end of the day to dispose of at home; they have their own bins. They just don’t want to be responsible for all the rubbish they generate cause it costs them more money than trying to put that responsibility on someone else.
If you are a business generating rubbish, it is your moral responsibility to account for that rubbish.
Yes and if you take them their garbage they gave you with their food, they will deal with it. They just don’t want to deal with the public’s granola bar wrappers, so they are now where they control the garbage.
If you bring them your garbage and they dispose of it in their bins, does that not fit your moral requirement? Or do you want bins every 10 feet to satisfy your laziness? Can’t walk balk to where you paid for stuff to return the garbage….,?
You seem to think there is no bins… obviously the cafe will produce garbage, I never stated they wouldn’t. I was pointing out people like you, that there HAS TO STILL BE BINS. So yes, they do have a way of dealing with it. So take your rubbish to them, and they will gladly deal with it. Does that work?
A corndog with a twizzler for the stick
That’s not how human behavior works…
Someone thinks they’re very clever and they aren’t.
Gentrified forest is the most cursed phrase I heard in a minute.
I think it’s a pretty good description. Has a tarmac car park, cafe, bike hire, 3 go ape routes, wheelchair accessible routes and until recently, bins!
It’s like wilderness for Europeans!
You should look up the definition of “gentrification.” There are a ton of options that don’t suggest that the homeless people in the forest are being forced out and replaced with wealthier homeless people.
Maybe “commercialized” would be a better word choice? Alternatively, “developed” or “sanitized?”
What does homelessness have to do with anything? Gentrification isn’t specifically about homelessness, I don’t see anyone else mentioning it before now… where did you pull that from?
Gentrification seems to mean the rapid renovation of an area to appeal to a wealthier crowd, which this could easily cover.
Poor people won’t feel at home if there isn’t trash strewn everywhere. They’d probably avoid going to that place.
Generally, usage of the term “gentrification” refers to the improvement of neighborhoods - or other places where people live, like apartment complexes - and, due to increased cost of living, the displacement of the people who used to live there. Displacement of less wealthy current residents when gentrification occurs is so common that it’s implied. If it weren’t, people wouldn’t have such low opinions of gentrification.
If a forest has been gentrified, therefore, then - if you interpret “gentrified” in the same way - it follows that people who have been living there have been displaced. And since those people were living in a forest - not in a cabin in a forest - they’re necessarily homeless. Since OP didn’t say that they were building houses or apartments in the forest, that would mean that the wealthier people who displaced them were also homeless.
Since the context was another commenter calling “gentrified forest” a cursed phrase, I don’t think I’m alone in thinking that.
You are right, I was thinking the definition more being taking it up market, fancier etc. didn’t realise the term was more for the human effect.
Old people have moved there and the prices have skyrocketed.
“we don’t want to pay human beings to do the necessary work created by our business, so we’re offloading it to you.”
fwiw removing trash cans and promoting not littering is proven to reduce litter.
It’s people that suck generally
Can you cite this source? It’s my personal experience that people will just drop things on the ground if there’s not a convenient trash can.
there’s no way that’s true… you mean people who can’t hold on to waste until they see a garbage can, instead will hold on to it until they go home? doesn’t even make sense
I was walkin’ through the forest
And a sign said they removed the bins to produce less rubbish
“We kindly ask all visitors to take their litter home!”
Man, what do I look like, a garbage bin?
Wait, so there are bins inside and they don’t want bins outside because it’s a wildlife area?
Sounds like OP’s a little lazy, this is a very understandable change
But they sell disposable items, likely for profit. They can’t have a system to dispose of trash in a responsible manner?
Most of these places, at least in Canada, are strictly operated as not-for-profit establishments, with focus on as little actual litter as possible. So no plastic lids or straws, no packaging. Wooden stir sticks, brown paper bags, etc. Local produce only. While these decompose easily, it’s still unsightly, so most of Parcs Canada / SEPAQ doesn’t have bins outside either.
I’d be disappointed if this were not the way that things are being done in England.
This is false. Any location at Parks Canada that sells concessions will have a gargabe bin usually 55gal drum. Also there are multiple bear proof sortable garbage bins recycling bins and propane bottle disposal.
Sounds like they have bins inside. That is responsible no?
You have the right to purchase something, doesn’t mean you have the right of convenience.
Is only mildly annoying. Lots of people asking where the bins though.
I can see a lot of paper cups being left in tables etc
What inside? Inside at your home maybe.
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please clean up after yourself.
Think it’s a mentality as well.
Had a friend in high school and after the drive in we went to, I cleaned up my trash and threw it away. My friend said “why are you doing that, they pay people to do that” and proceeded to leave her trash.
Didn’t stay friends, but who the f thinks that way?
Entitled Amerikkkans… that’s who.
Pick up your own trash.
Not other people’s trash.
YOUR OWN.
You sound like tool
Ahahahahahahaha
I will absolutely pick up other peoples trash if it’s somewhere like the wilderness. They should have picked it up themselves but I’m there now and that trash shouldn’t be there.
Me too…I bring bags with me and clean up places I hike / fish / camp…I try to leave places better than when I found it and it absolutely irks me when people can’t be bothered to throw their own trash away.
I guess it wasn’t clear that I think it’s ridiculous that people can’t even pick up their own trash.
So bring our own bin and pickup the stuff other people dropped as well?
The places with the fewest places to deposit one’s trash are always the ones with the most litter. Always.
If someone wants another person to adapt a behavior, from a purely practical standpoint, that person must make the other person’s job easier or it will simply not work to get them to adapt. If this wasn’t a forest (such as it is, it being the UK), the only proper thing to do would be to dump as much trash there as possible while demanding the bins back until they get the message and cave in. I could write a whole book here about how the packaging industry paid lobbyists and PR firms to put the blame on consumers for the useless crap they make existing in the first place, and shaming them into keeping it out of sight and thus out of mind. I won’t. But it’s a tale vile enough that it convinced me that there’s a time and a place for littering as protest. The woods aren’t the place.
Besides, there ARE receptacles that are critter resistant. This is an absolute cop out, and seeing how landscaped the area is, a couple of bins would hardly scar the landscape. This is pure crap. I looked the place up, and it’s NOT the kind of place where you deny people trash receptacles, nor is it the kind of place you can credibly base your argument on “we don’t want animals to get used to people”. Good lord, what a bunch of idiocy.
Don’t buy anything at the cafe if you’re not prepared to carry it out, I wouldn’t.
We have a commitment to producing no rubbish on-site. Well, we had one, but then budget cuts took away our garbage bins, so now I guess you have a commitment to producing no rubbish on-site.
This is basically ubiquitous on many public lands, specifically here in the US. The term is “carry in, carry out.” Bins accumulate trash (obviously) which in turn is an attractant for rodents, bears, raccoons, etc. which causes its own problems. Wild animals should not be artificially fed by human trash. Trash can also be blown out of cans, or scattered by animals. Overall, especially for low traffic environments, the best plan is to have people take all their trash out with them.
TL;DR: Pack out your trash.
The problem is parks can’t or won’t hire enough people to empty the bins out.
Because the people paying taxes would rather that money go to actual tangible benefits instead of paying for people’s laziness.
You’re the kind of person who doesn’t return their cart because someone “is paid to do it” aren’t you.
Removing trash is absolutely a tangible benefit.
It shouldn’t be there to begin with, so no it’s not. It’s fixing a problem of lazy populace. Just like needing a dozen cart wranglers at one store for people like you who refuse to return their carts.
It shouldn’t be there to begin with
Ok but IT IS THERE so maybe get out of your fantasy land where people are decent except for some reason when they see a trash can. In the real world, people fucking litter, so give them a trash can. Don’t care what they should do, they are NOT doing it, so unless you can figure out how to FORCE them to not litter, work with reality and put out a damn trash can.
Lazy people like you litter, and they aren the norm.
Can you imagine how crappy parking lots would be if the majority of people can’t be decent human beings? Same applies to garbage.
If people litter, that’s fine, one or two isn’t that big of a deal, but an overfilling garbage can that 20 other people add on to is.
Do you just think everyone else is as lazy and acts like you do…?
Look, accusing me of being a litterer just because you’re mad you’re wrong is a bad look.
If you’re planning a picnic, you bring your own trash bags, sort your trash, and dispose of it properly. And you will eventually make the effort to produce less rubbish, for example, ask to take your order without napkins or a plastic bag.
You operate a cafe and sell stuff that is trash 5 minutes later? You print a trash bin.
