Democratic Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was meeting last week with representatives from a teachers union in his home state when things quickly devolved.
Before long, Fetterman began repeating himself, shouting and questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do” and slamming his hands on a desk, according to one person who was briefed on what occurred.
As the meeting deteriorated, a staff member moved to end it and ushered the visitors into the hallway, where she broke down crying. The staffer was comforted by the teachers who were themselves rattled by Fetterman’s behavior, according to a second person who was briefed separately on the meeting.
“WHY is everybody MAD at me people HATE me WHAT did i EVER do to YOU” idk man maybe bc ur whining like a child because people disagree with you
All he has to do to get them off his back is to resign. He’s not being forced to stay in a job that makes both him and his constituents miserable.
questioning why “everybody is mad at me,” “why does everyone hate me, what did I ever do”
Oh come the fuck on, you know exactly why.
stroke+ falling in with the right wing crowd isnt doing him any favors. there are many celebrities that had strokes and became looney right wing christians.
Yeah, brain damage and right-wing thinking are heavily intertwined
Apparently brain damage and fascism correlate.
I reckon I like me some fried taters, mmmm hmmm
Bets on how long before this dude records a collab track with Kanye?
They need to stop calling him a Democrat. He’s not one.
They need to keep calling him a democrat. He lied about being a progressive to get into office and then made a hard right turn. The only thing more emblematic of the democratic party is blaming the left when pandering to the right fails.
That cock ain’t one of us
I think that stroke might have killed more brain cells than we originally thought. Almost as many as that brain worm.
the brainworms is just keeping rfk jr conscience.
I think this is an insensitive thing to post. I fear it might be true. A more active fear center (even just relative to other brain functions) might explain not only the policy shifts, but also this outburst.
I hope he can get that care he needs (if any). I don’t think his actions (so far) as impeachable, so we’ll just have to wait until he’s served the rest of his term before the people of his great state can replace him.
Insensitive? Fuck that. No district should have to put up with a turncoat no matter what caused it. He doesn’t get a pass for getting so brain damaged he couldn’t think anymore. If anything, that’s an exact reason to impeach.
No district should have to put up with a turncoat no matter what caused it.
Fetterman isn’t a turncoat. He does exactly what party leadership wants.
I hope you never have to experience a life-changing health event.
As far as I know, there’s intentionally no recall procedure for federal offices. So, the system is designed so that districts do put up with turncoats. I would be open to changing that, but I’m not interested in championing such a change.
And I’m not interested in championing further discussion with you, thx.
Probably the immediate about-face he took on every single stance he had prior to his stroke…
People tend to get mad when you campaign on helping people then turn into a fascist supporter
No, no, no. He was a piece of shit before he got elected he just hid it better before the stroke.
Probably the immediate about-face he took on every single stance he had prior to his stroke…
Prior to his election. Stop blaming the stroke for a democrat acting like a democrat.
Brain damage makes you more conservative
Universities aren’t peddling some “liberal agenda,” it just so happens that the more educated you are the more liberal you tend to become. I’m sure that has nothing to do with red states pushing Jesus in schools and rolling back child labor laws…
What if it’s deeper than that. Like not systematic. What if liberals who are educated are just more outspoken. Or that people who tend to need post secondary school are more left leaning. What if it has nothing to do with education at all. I see no reason to believe the left are any more intelligent than the right. The argument that they are is similar to arguments like people in Alberta saying they’re better than other provinces because they’re rich but really it’s just a product of living in a province where there’s an abundance of natural resources.
I think a major part of it is education and exposure. Conservativism is, generally, a desire to halt or even roll back “progress”. The embrace of traditions and nostalgia for the imaginary “good old days”. You know what your parents and your community taught you. You’ve established what normal is from your small sample size. Why change things? Everyone you know gets along just fine and you like the way it is. Different is scary.
Unfortunately, the world is really fucking complicated. Simple explanations can make perfect sense when your understanding is simple. However, the more you learn about the world, the more diversity you are exposed to, the more context you discover, the more stereotypes get broken… the more accommodating and progressive you usually become.
I see no reason to believe the left are any more intelligent than the right.
But intelligence and education are not exactly the same things.
A stockbroker knows about farms; but not the finer details that make one successful. Much like how politicians say they understand the struggles of the working class but never worked a day in their lives
It is deeper and systemic. Depending on your field of study it could be analyzed any number of ways. I said nothing about intelligence, that’s hard to quantify and we’re all born with the same set of tools more or less. What is quantifiable is the census and voting records of various states around this nation. Being born into a family of poor idiots doesn’t make you dumb, but it does put you at a statistical likelihood of not seeing that potential because college is expensive and the local culture believing higher education=liberal brainwashing.
No one is automatically better than anyone else based on their zip code, but being in the nicer ones does help, who’d have thought
It’s far darker than this. You’re all one step away from this kind of flip. I mean neurotypical people here (though I doubt neurodivergent are proof against it, normal people are just super vulnerable). It’s all based on identity and once something is part of your identity there is no logic that can shift you.
Having higher intelligence correlates strongly to left wing beliefs.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289624000254
If people have papers to the contrary lets see them.
Thankfully not always. But damn it sure happens far too often.
John needs the health insurance and his policy is what every single resident in the USA should have. He does not give a shit about the common people. Find another Democrat and toss him out.
It’s incredible how many passes he’s gotten since his stroke. He’s been spiraling hard. Megalomania, paranoia, and overall reckless behavior have become more common traits, but according to him he’s fine, he says while seething through clenched teeth.
Gets brain damage
Becomes conservative snowflake
I have had to watch this happen to a close friend.
Back in 2015, I had a buddy who got into a nasty bike accident, and suffered a TBI. He was always a bit of a snarky asshole, but we definitely did see eye to eye on political matters before that happened. But during his recovery, he became a lot more viciously vindictive and outright mean, and also ended up going full MAGA later on. It was weird and depressing to watch a close friend spiral out of control and lash out at people who were previously his very close friends, to the extent that he alienated basically all of them.
It sucks, and it’s very real.
I wonder how much high school athletics have contributed to conservatism via head injuries and groupthink?
Honestly, probably a lot
its either cte, strokes, or drugs turn into a nutty christian right winger. or if you have something like undiagnosed schizophrenia.
drugs turn into a nutty christian right winger.
Uhhhhh yeah I don’t think so. I think you’re seeing former addicts that go hard for religion, and yeah that’s real… But it’s usually not the drugs that do it.
Total Breakdown of the Id?
TBI = severe bump to noggin
That’s SBN. C’mon, mate, it’s like you’re not even trying.
Thanks!
Oh that was just for other readers. Of course you and I know it’s from the German teurer bescheuerter Irrtum.
Edit:
teuer bescheuert irrtum🙏 @Mim@lemmy.zipIt’s teurer bescheuerter Irrtum.
Traumatic Brain Injuries (TBI) are a very broad range of injuries involving the brain and central nervous system localized in or around the cranium and cranial cavity referred to as the braincase or brainpan.
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I have had a couple concussions, and I am generally intolerant of religion as a whole, doesn’t sound like any of the study findings any research on people who weren’t religious to begin with. Unless I’m reading this wrong, which I could be you know, because of the concussions🤣🤣🤣
i think a stroke is more severe than minor concussions. IN A STROKe there actual death of brain cells in the stroke area.
A link doesn’t mean every single person did - maybe each concussion is rolling a die on the gullible idiot check and you got lucky.
Based on what the article said, your general intolerance of religion might be the very symptom they were referencing.
Their research doesn’t suggest that damage to that particular area of the brain causes religious beliefs, but rather that it more or less locks you into your beliefs religious or otherwise.
The injured brain becomes less able to consider other viewpoints, so changing beliefs becomes less likely even when confronted with facts that disprove the belief.
That’s what I’m thinking, if I was already intolerant of religions, then this just made me even more intolerant of religions, it’s not that hard though to not believe in a magical sky daddy, I wish more people followed my lead
Right, it bears pointing out that atheism is in itself a faith, or at least its adherents treat it very much like one to the point that it might as well be one. For me it is the faith in the non-existance of a supreme being or deity.
It doesn’t require faith to NOT believe in something. It requires faith to accept religion which cannot be proven.
It does require faith when you’re disbelieving something that has as much proof of its existence as of its non existence. There is no conclusive proof against the existence of a supreme being, in fact like I said in another comment there is physical evidence of one if you observe the universe, which is that all of existence collective is god.
If you zoom into a human being there are millions of microorganisms and bacteria that inhabit us, and at that level of zoom they all look like they inhabit their own little planets, zoom in more and you start to see the very molecules that make us up. But you zoom out and see a person, zoom out and see a planet, then a galaxy, then clusters and so on. Who’s to say that if you looked at the universe from outside of it, it would not be the very body of another living organism?
It really bears pointing out that this is, in fact, not true.
If I walk up to you and tell you that I can turn lead into gold, and you ask me to prove it, only to have me rebut that telling you to prove I can’t… Did you need “faith” to not believe me?
For me it is the faith in the non-existance of a supreme being or deity.
I agree. I prefer to consider myself agnostic rather than atheist.
I’m really a dishonest agnostic since I can’t really imagine a proof of deity that I wouldn’t discount as a hallucination.
I did have a dream many years ago in which I woke up with absolute proof that God existed, but then I went back to sleep.
When I woke later, I couldn’t remember what the proof was. If the proof was real, and God let me forget it, then he’s an ass and he doesn’t deserve my belief.
I think the problem is that most people think of god as non material. In my view m whatever you want to call god is a material thing and you are touching it right now. And there’s absolutely no conclusive evidence to prove that this isn’t true and most thought exercises will have you reach the conclusion that there is a high likelihood that we are indeed part of a bigger thing that could be defined as god.
I guess a big divide here is how you define god, for most people it’s this intelligent and willful being. But that’s just what a human, who fashions gods in his image, thinks a god is.
For me intelligence is not a requirement for supremacy. I believe the universe itself for all intents and purposes is god. It has no will and no intelligence but that doesn’t make it any less powerful.
I think using the word “faith” here may need more explanation. Would you say you have faith that the tooth fairy, Santa, or the Easter Bunny does not exist?
I am an atheist so far as I can say that there is no intelligent deity that snapped its fingers and created the universe. But I cannot definitely conclude that the universe itself might not be the living body of a god. An atheist™️ would say that there is nothing transcendental about the universe itself, despite the proof of their very eyes that it is transcendental. If you’re not in awe at the sheer magnitude of the universe then maybe you’re too self centered to realize how truly insignificant we are in the greater universe.
An atheist would say that a god needs some kind of intelligence, but does the lack of intelligence and will makes a being less of a being? What do we make of plants and bacteria then?
I know the biblical god isn’t real. I know the Ancient pantheons are also not real. I don’t know that there is no such thing as a supreme transcendent being. But I think there’s enough prove to make an argument that there might be one.
It’s an ideology. The problem with it, is that like any ideology. Many turn it into their identity. And if you attack or even dismiss the ideology, it is as if you’ve done it to them personally.
That said there’s more clear evidence for atheism than there is for any other theist belief. But it does get tiresome to combat against constant fantastic and unprovable claims.
Do you realize that your anecdote is literally meaningless in the context of statistical analysis?
Do you realize…
Dude started out by mentioning a couple of concussions and ended by stating he might not understand the research because of the concussions, so perhaps the answer is…maybe not.
It was more of a question, but you kind of inserted yourself into my statement, so I’m not going to engage with you anymore. You can get your feelings hurt elsewhere
I think it was more like money damage… Being offered enough to completely abandon former thoughts and goals.
he was pretty much a A-HOLE before he strokes, the stroke just removed all inhibitions from him.
There might be a typo, but you said the same thing twice.
🤔
Sounds about right
Yet with your combined superior intellect Democrats have lost control of all 3 branches of government and the supreme court. Maybe you guys are not as superior as you believe you are?
I’m not American or a Democrat and you’re dumb
The Judicial system, which includes the Supreme Court, is a branch of government.
“Nuh uh!”
-MAGAt
Does the block function work in Lemmy?
Oh look it does
he got the passes til he started to become the AIPAC cheerleading for ISRAEL, and went crying to BILL MAHER of all people.
Dude acted cool. Then he has a serious medical issue. Suddenly he chooses to quit giving a shit because he saw his death and chose to be selfish and unappreciative of life. I’m glad I didn’t do that when I nearly died.
Getting brain damage and becoming conservative is quite the statement though.
I didn’t make that statement.
I think the point is that Fetterman did
WHY IS THIS MAN STILL IN OFFICE
Between this and the other story earlier this week, its crystal fucking clear that he is not well. Does nobody close to him care about his clear brain damage from his stroke? It’s like the entire federal government is weekend at bernie’s and the whole thing is being run by staffers
I think your system has made it abundantly clear that neither competence, nor mental state, nor age, nor criminal record are limiting factor to be a politician in the US.
If anything, they’re prerequisites.
They let Feinstein legislate with full blown dementia. As long as they can do what the lobbyists paid them to, these kinds of people likely aren’t going anywhere. It costs a bit of money to own a representative and their owners want as much ROI as possible.
I mean, that sounds so reductive to me, but it’s the only thing that makes sense.
He’s paranoid and seeing shadows, but he supports Israel so it doesn’t matter if he’s losing his mind. As long as his hallucinations are telling him to vote with the major party positions, they might as well just be another staff advisor.
I think the dems are trying hard to resist the popular momentum in the progressive side of the party, and letting his seat be re-filled would open a vulnerability. There’s a small chance that a special election would cause them to lose the seat entirely, but the nationwide sentiment is in their favor - it seems to me they’re more worried about a progressive challenger. But that’s just speculation.
Nancy Pelocy basically pushed around a corpse in a wheelchair.
He’s apparently pushed away anyone close to him that has shown concern
As somebody that has suffered from a stroke, I can pretty much relate to what John is going through here as I used to suffer from emotional outbursts early into my recovery as well. While I cannot promise you that it’s the same thing exactly it sure seems awfully familiar and hopefully he can recover like I did.
He should probably do it in the privacy of his own home, not as a sitting US Senator.
I had a stroke (really, a multi-stroke trauma event). I spent many days in the hospital under close supervision. Unlike Fetterman, I listened to my doctors, took an extended leave of absence from work, slept almost the entire time so my brain could heal in those critical days and weeks, took my medication, and went to physical therapy.
Fetterman reportedly didn’t do any of that.
I recovered fully. Fetterman clearly did not. In his current state, he should step down for the sake of everyone, especially himself. The stress of his job is about the worst possible thing he could do to himself.
I agree, I also did a bit of consoling to rehab myself. John should too.
You’re the only commenter on this post who mentioned his stroke in the context of hoping for his recovery- rather than using it to mock him. So much for tolerance
Sounds like everyone else is weirdly angry that he’s STILL IN OFFICE causing problems when he’s clearly not fit for the job, regardless of the reason? Isn’t that the more pressing concern than his health, him being an utter stranger to almost everyone?
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
Crappy take, friend. And the “so much for tolerance” is such a loaded phrase, you almost sound insincere, to boot. We don’t owe these politicians a fuckin thing, CERTAINLY not some prioritized level of compassion. Get real!
I would feel compassion and I would highly appreciate it if he would take his time to recover, but he doesn’t, and yeah, sorry, in his condition he is clearly not for for this job.
Doesn’t vindicate cruelty towards him
Didn’t say that. I said he should shuffle off.
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
The “so much for tolerance” is a bit much. But there is a very real conversation to be had about this.
It’s because it’s brain damage. The thing that thinks. The organ in his body that would normally explain to him that something is wrong and that he is no longer capable of making rational decisions… that organ is what is damaged.
The man clearly needs help. This isn’t some Kanye West megalomaniacal breakdown, this is just “the part of his brain that should know better could literally be dead”.
If we had a functioning society, government, and recall system, he would have been removed by now. But expecting a stroke victim to make the right decisions when he’s clearly significantly altered from his baseline mental state… that’s just wishful thinking.
Y’know, trump is literally demented and a malignant narcissist. The article talks about Fetterman repeating himself over and over - we’ve already seen multiple staffers describe trump doing exactly this. Does throwing a plate full of ketchup at the wall count as an ‘outburst’? He’s got more. A lot more.
Just sayin. He does this shit daily and doesn’t get an AP article written about it. Both of them need to step down but only one of them would ever be pressed by their own party.
The article talks about Fetterman repeating himself over and over - we’ve already seen multiple staffers describe trump doing exactly this.
That Last Week Tonight bit with the interview about Abrego Garcia was painful to watch.
That entire segment made me sick to my stomach.
Homan is an absolute fucking demon
That journalist was doing their very best to let him off the hook and move on. That wasn’t even a gotcha situation, he even conceded that the tattoos could be interpretted as MS-13 bit that he was no expert, and tried to move on. But Trump wouldn’t let it go, and kept trying to pull it back to “it wasn’t photoshop, he actually had the MS13 tattooed in print on his knuckles” and openly said that the journalist should just say yes and accept it before he’d move on. Jesus.
So be it. It’s been a LONG time in this state. That sucks for him. The outsized damage he’s able to do makes me unsympathetic. He’s just one guy. Boo fucking hoo. The extraordinary damage happening to countless lives in this fucking country today, and we need to have a chat about how much compassion to give this guy? Again, get real!
Edit: I guess your point is about his own inability to see the problem, which I acknowledge. I don’t think he’s due any outsized compassion, at all.
I guess your point is about his own inability to see the problem, which I acknowledge
Yeah, it’s just this unfortunately.
I don’t know how anyone can help or fix the situation directly while it benefits the fascists in power, but being upset at him for not stepping down is like being upset with an Alzheimer’s patient for not remembering your name.
At this point, I’m more upset at whoever is in his orbit and is not at least attempting to take Grampa’s car keys away
I just don’t agree. It’s more like being upset at an Alzheimer’s patient for totally blowing an important debate.
…okay? If you think there are circumstances under which it’s productive or rational to be upset with an Alzheimer’s patient for having alzheimer’s… not much to say to that.
Compassion should not be reserved only for those that are good, but for everyone, and I think especially for those that are bad and may not realize that they are bad. Right and wrong are not black and white things and it is very difficult to be objective about one’s own situation, and realizing that hey “I’m doing wrong”. In this case I would argue that for Fetterman, he might not even yet realize how irrational his behavior is, maybe even the people around him have not fully realized it. So instead of trying to eat him alive, you can point it out, explain how his actions are harming people and kindly ask that he step down instead of acting rabid about it. Berating him is not gonna make him want to step down more than being kind about it so you might as well be kind, unless this is about realizing some kind of gratification for you.
I don’t care. You are completely missing the point. Everything you said is obviously, like painfully obviously, true in a general sense. It’s Morality 101.
Do you see the state of this place?? Are you aware that Fetterman has been causing these kinds of problems for a LONG time now, and do you agree that we desperately need every fucking scrap of pull to bring this country and it’s people back from the brink?
Giving a shit about the man’s well-being is someone else’s goddamn job. Miss me with your pearl clutching bullshit.
Ok internet tough guy.
Crappy take, friend. And the “so much for tolerance” is such a loaded phrase, you almost sound insincere, to boot. We don’t owe these politicians a fuckin thing, CERTAINLY not some prioritized level of compassion.
I think people should be compassionate to literally every other person.
Why do people need to be kind and sensitive toward someone’s recovery while that person insists on keeping a position of extreme responsibility, and constantly fucks it up, while “recovering”?
Probably because he feels passionate about his beliefs and feels its important that he fights for them.
🤡
xd
Would you feel the same way if his stroke destroyed his ability to drive a car but he insisted on continuing to do so anyway and kept putting lives at risk? It would be great if if can make a full recovery, and I certainly hope he can, but he needs to get the fuck out of the driver’s seat until he does so.
Putting aside the fact that he is also literally doing that and has also hurt his poor wife
Would you feel the same way if his stroke destroyed his ability to drive a car but he insisted on continuing to do so anyway and kept putting lives at risk?
Being in political office isn’t driving a car. But regardless, even assuming the analogy were correct, yes I would say you should still be compassionate about it.
He got elected as a Democrat with a decently progressive policy platform, had a stroke, then said, “all the progressiveness has left my body” and turned his back on the constituents who elected him. He’ll get sympathy when he resigns for health reasons and not a moment before that.
Until then he’s just another brain damaged liar and a traitor to his constituents, like his new friend Lil Donnie.
So much for tolerance… in anonymous online forums? Schadenfreude for public figures is easy enough to come by in real life that it should be no surprise to see it shine through online
So much for tolerance… in anonymous online forums?
I mean yea, I think people should be nice on the internet too
I can understand both sides here.
On the one hand I have empathy with him like with any victim of such a life-altering injury and wish him a swift and full recovery. I don’t want people to suffer and, quite frankly, “the brain doesn’t work right anymore” is one of my personal horror scenarios.
On the other hand this kind of behavior is a huge problem in someone capable of making decisions that can alter the lives of other people – millions of them, in this case. He has enough power to ruin a lot of people’s lives, intentionally or not.
Even as someone who isn’t impacted by his mental fitness in any way, I’d agree that removing him from office seems like a good move. That man needs rest, not the stress of a high-profile political office during interesting times. And his state needs someone with a level head, which doesn’t mesh well with a semi-recent traumatic brain injury.
And, well, this is a politics community so guess which part the discussion will focus on. (Also, this is online so people are inclined to be assholes.)
This is a reasonable position. I just don’t think saying calous and cruel things then justifying it by saying “it’s online” is a good excuse. You can think someone is wrong and causing severe harm without also hating them, vilifying them, etc. Some people are cruel so it’s fair to be cruel back to them, but I don’t think anyone can fairly look at Fetterman and think he actually intends to hurt people.
Oh, please don’t take that remark as an excuse or endorsement. The intended tone is one of resignation – pseudonymity reduces the social cost of bad manners to near zero and there’s not much we can do about it.
I will forgive people for being blunt in their criticism, however. High-ranking politicians are exactly the people who have to be able to take a certain level of verbal abuse since their decisions can change other people’s lives in directions that justify the liberal use of expletives.
Which plays back into my perception that Fetterman is currently not suited to his role.
Fuck your feelings, and fuck his feelings.
Why though?
Because he’s a piece of shit in bed with Trump.
What did he do that makes you think he’s in bed with Trump?
Most folks are pissed that he is in office, which is completely fucken reasonable. Fact of the matter is a stroke is as much a mental health issue as it is a physical issue. Just like how I remove myself from people when I’m in an autistic meltdown Fetterman should remove himself from politics. But what do I know I’m just a bloodthirsty Californian who wishes to lash 99.9 percent of politicians to crosses.
As others have pointed out the stroke could definitely impair his ability to understand its impact on his mental state.
But also yea no, someone can be very wrong and you can think and state that without being needlessly cruel to them.
I’m an Inland Imperial, me not threatening to dump their still warm corpse off in Victorville is me not being needlessly cruel. Fact of the matter is some folks need to be told to fuck off.
yeah, why dont we all have more tolerance for people doing active harm? While we are on the topic, Who speaks for the CEOs here? They are human right? And has anyone asked the zionists about their feelings? their pains and fears?
But also, Fetterman is responsible for his actions and his actions suck. Thats how responsibility works, and leadership comes with a lot of responsibility. Fetterman is blowing it, so as a leader he deserves the ridicule. Politics is not all tea parties, playing patty-cakes, and talking about feelings. You perform or you get what Fettermans getting. Once he gets the eff out, he wont hold that responsibility and can be treated as just another human with human problems again.
yeah, why dont we all have more tolerance for people doing active harm?
Yes. Tolerating someone’s existence and humanity doesn’t mean you have to enable them to do things you disagree with.
While we are on the topic, Who speaks for the CEOs here? They are human right? And has anyone asked the zionists about their feelings? their pains and fears?
Yes. Someone who genuinely believes they are acting morally, even if they do something evil, are not themselves evil. They are misguided. You shouldn’t enable them, but you also shouldn’t be needlessly cruel to them.
But also, Fetterman is responsible for his actions and his actions suck.
Yes, but context matters. People’s motives matter when you judge them. People’s circumstances matter.
Thats how responsibility works, and leadership comes with a lot of responsibility.
Nitpick not about you, but just how people talk about congress in general: let’s just be honest, most of them are not leaders. Or at least not leading anything beyond their team of staffers. And they were not intended to be leaders, they represent their constituents, serving them not leading them.
You perform or you get what Fettermans getting.
What? Ridiculed and mocked by people on the internet who’s primary hobbies are thinking of creative insults and coping? I’m not being facetious, I’m asking what just saying cruel things on Lemmy does thats productive.
Once he gets the eff out, he wont hold that responsibility and can be treated as just another human with human problems again.
Why can’t he be treated as a human now? Just a human who at least you believe is wrong on serious issues, and therefore causing harm based on misconceptions.
The problem of evil is that many of the worst things in history were done by people who believed they were acting morally. The witch hunts, the crusades, the inquisition, and large portions of the genocide of the Americas were done in part with a belief that it was moral. Part of a good understanding of morality is self reflection to understand that one can twist themselves into evil. It’s why I think your calls for compassion here are valuable.
I’m angry at Fetterman, and I’d be fucking pissed if he was my senator. I don’t know if I think he’s outright evil. But I do know that to label a human as good or evil is valuable but risky. It helps us form accountability and to rally each other, but it also leads us to assign people as wholly good or wholly bad when all people have immense complexity to our motivations, beliefs, and actions.
Well, I’ve lived what he’s lived. That helps.
BTW, I’m glad to hear you recovered! Stay healthy :)
Thanks, so far so good. 20 years now.
As if people are nice here.
Lemmy is for being smug 3rd party and reconfirming your own self held superiority for the basic act of being here.
It was built by a lack of tolerance towards and from others.
I also think we shouldn’t tolerate him taking up one of only 100 seats of an important job while he is unwell and should do so privately.Wait, are you being held here against your will?! Blink once for “no,” twice for “yes!”
°_° -_- °_°Nah I can close this app and not care to check for days.
I want a news link aggregator and a vibe check on where the social liberals are at culturally and so I check here for both.
I have no intention of having the frequent comment and post history of those seeking validation and witnesses for their life actions.I get the added bonus of about 1-2 hobbies with nearly empty communities though so maybe one day I will blink twice for you.
Edit: there is no formatting syntax escape I guess.
You’re so amazing. Can i touch you? Maybe it’ll rub off on me.
No unfortunately you have to develop your own life.
Any tips? At what stage do i come to an online forum and proudly declare myself above everyone on said forum? Is that, like, 101 level, or are there prereqs?
It’s not smugness, or being mean. This man is a sitting US Senator. His decisions directly affect the well-being of literally hundreds of millions of people.
Shit is far too important to be treated with kid gloves. If you’re getting into national politics, you better stop giving a fuck about people being “nice” to you.
Oh agreed that this is really important. Literally he is taking a seat on a council of 100 people who are supposed to be the best and most representative of their constituents and yelling about people being nice to him. He needs to step down.
But also the comments in here are smug. Lemmy is not a place for nuance or empathy but vague superiority based on some form of intellectualism that is not owed or earned.
People just feel good about complaining about him and view it as a space to dish out their milquetoast worse. Nothing here is helpful for the real world.
Here’s the AP story. Can we please avoid huffpo where possible?
