I just deleted my Reddit account of 6 years. Just found Lemmy today and joined up, this is my first post :)
Its obvious when you watch the way the LLM interacts, its tone exactly encompasses the average Reddit user and post, half-baked karma whoring … You’re absolutely right!
The fact that any AI company thought to train their LLM on the answers of Reddit users speaks to a fundamental misunderstanding of their own product (IMO)
LLMs aren’t programmed to give you the correct answer. They’re programmed to give you the most pervasive/popular answer on the assumption that most of the time that will also happen to be the right one.
So when you’re getting your knowledge base from random jackasses on Reddit, where a good faith question like “What’s the best way to get get gum out of my childs hair” get’s two two good faith answers, and then a few dozen smart-ass answers that gets lots of replies and upvotes because they’re funny. Guess which one your LLM is going to use.
People (and apparently even the creators themselves) think that an LLM is actually cognizent enough to be able to weed this out logically. But it can’t. It’s not an intelligence…it’s a knowlege agreggator. And as with any aggregator, the same rule applies
garbage in, garbage out
The main thing that AI has shown, is how much bullshit we subconsciously filter through every day without much effort. (Although clearly some people struggle a lot more with distinguishing between bullshit and fact, considering how much politicized nonsense has taken hold.)
Exactly that.
If I were to google how to get gum out of my child’s hair and then be directed to that same reddit post. I’d read through it and be pretty sure which were jokes and which were serious; we make such distinctions, as you say, every day without much effort.
LLMs simply don’t have that ability. And the number of average people who just don’t get that is mind-boggling to me.
I also find it weirdly dystopian that, if you sum that up, it kind of makes it sound like in order for an LLM to make the next step towards A.I. It needs a sense of humour. It needs the ability to weed through when the information it’s digging from is serious, or just random jack-asses on the internet.
Which is turning it into a very very Star Trek problem.
What it needs most of all, is a fairly complete intuitive model of how the world works. LLMs only have book knowledge. They have no body, perception or experience. I think that’s incredibly limiting.
“How do I parallel park a car?”
AI Overview: “git gud”
Technically correct
Thats why I have stopped calling it ai. Its a dumbass buzzword just like cloud, that tech bros like to use but cant explain (or blockchain).
Its llms, and image generators/OCR (which has been around for decades), Using complex markov chains and a fuck ton of graphics cards. NOT AI. NOT AI.
It is AI, along with a bunch of optimization algorithms, statistical decision trees (probably used in adaptive AI in games), etc. AI is a field in computer science that includes a ton of things many wouldn’t consider AI.
Basically, if the solution doesn’t come from direct commands but instead comes from some form of learning process, it’s probably AI.
It’s not “general AI”, but it is in the field of AI.
I would argue we need to go back to Machine Learning.
The field is machine learning, generative machine learning etc.
This rebrand to AI is doing nothing but confusing people and building investor hype
Back? Machine Learning has always been a subfield of artificial intelligence since it all started in the 1950s or so. The end goal is to create general AI, and each field in AI is considered a piece of that puzzle, including LLMs.
Also fair.
I find the term machine learning more honest than artificial intelligence
It’s more specific, sure, but there’s nothing dishonest about using the same terminology that has been used for almost 100 years.
The disconnect is that average people have a different understanding of the term than is used in computer science, probably because of sci-fi films and whatnot. When I hear “AI,” I think of the CS term, because that’s my background, but when my family hears “AI,” they think of androids and whatnot like in Bicentennial Man.
I don’t know how to square that circle. Neither group here is wrong, but classifying something like ChatGPT as “AI,” while correct, is misinterpreted by the public, who assume it’s doing more than it is.
I use the term “inference machine”
I’ve had to start calling it AI because most people don’t know what LLMs are, and noone cares to go through the explanation, including myself.
I’m afraid that, as these things go, AI has gained a new meaning by popular use, rather than the original meaning of the acronym.
No point fighting it anymore.Maybe we just need to adjust and start saying GAI (generative ai). It has a nice ring to it too.
It’s always been like that, even since the 1950s…
If people are so dumb they dont even know what an llm is, they have no business using any “ai” products. Too bad we cant ban dumb people from using tech that will make them dumber.
Usually the third/fifth comment down is correct while the top 4 are jokes
I don’t care about their stock value but the situation fells so weird. So chatgpt refers to reddit less, and that makes reddit stock value fall. This really shows how much of the share value is pure hype and how much of “the economy” is pure manupulation of numbers instead of actual value.
The bubble bursts when one of them can’t make their monthly payment.
It’s the dot com bubble all over again
Makes me think I should sell all my retirement stocks and stick it in bonds until the bottom falls out from under Nvidia
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How decoupled stocks are from reality or value. It’s bizarre.
Tesla is “larger” than all other car companies combined when they’re virtually always “delayed” on actually shipping product. We live in bizarro world. Your livelihood is a single cell in a giant spreadsheet full of completely made-up numbers.
Tesla sells itself as a technology innovation company, but it sells hype.
The thing that baffles me on that one is that it doesn’t stand up on its own terms. None of Tesla’s tech in 2025 is ahead of its competitors, and they’ve become so toxic as a brand that most top tier engineers don’t even want to work there.
The market can stay fascist longer then you can stay solvent.
meme stocks.
That’s actually quite easy to explain. Reddits entire monetary value (or at least a very large portion) depends on how relevant it is as platform to mine user interactions - to use as training material for AI.
Reddit getting references less is a sign that the models, or the owning companies, value reddit data less compared to before.
You just described most tech stocks.
As Cory Doctrow explains:
the fundamental duty of every CEO of every high-growth tech company: explaining how his company will continue to grow. These growth stories are key, because growth stocks trade at a huge premium relative to the stocks of “mature” companies.
Good. Fuck u/Spez.
Keep in mind if the Reddit stock price fell too much some hedge fund vulture would buy up a majority of the stock and then turn it into Nazi town.
Even better then. That’s how the mass migration from twitter happened.
Happy cake day
Isn’t it already basically Nazi town?
It is more disaffected people than nazis. At least the places I was at there. The site wide moderation is pretty fucked in favor of powerful interests, including Nazis however. They like to chase off real people that are driving engagement in favor of the legions of influence agents with their bot accounts.
Right, and if the moderation allows Nazi ideology to run rampant, you have a Nazi town. Especially when it’s all mostly bots spewing Nazi talking points anyway.
Refusing to fight hate speech is tantamount to supporting it.
As someone who around when shitredditsays was the bogeyman, always has been.
Just realized I was posting a reddit habit on a lemmy thread about reddit…
Nazi cucks at the moment.
Wasted 15 years on that site to be banned for one fucking comment, burn baby burn.
Same. My comment was “fuck trump and Obama” arguing about using drones to order civilians abroad. Do you remember what your violent advocation was?
I suggested drawing in chalk on the street outside of the governor’s mansion, to protest the GIANT chalk Christ she had commissioned across the driveway to celebrate Easter one year.
It wasn’t even a serious call to action.
Mine was a direct, attributed quote from the US president.
Mine was telling someone it was unlikely that spain would declare war on israel, it being a nuclear nation…
Banned for ‘glorifying violence.’
no OP.
I got the F out and deleted my old posts every time they restored them until they stayed gone.
Deleting your posts was a waste of time. Chances are likely that it is archived on their end.
Reddit has been paying close attention to behavior patterns of banned users and users they wouldn’t want on their platform. It’s likely they’ve gotten your posting imprint and just give you the comfort of thinking you’ve deleted your posts.
deleting your account also wont stop them from finding your new accounts, they mostly archived that as well. they look at browser fingerprinting, device, device components, time zone discrepancy, browser size and VERSION, resolution,etc. if you use any paid service/trial service that can spoof any of these above and they arnt the correct versions, they can detect that.
and then theres the warming up period with new accounts(like not posting, reporting, or upvoting too fast after account creation)
As far as I know, they use things called Evercookies and it’s been a thing now too. If you have an Evercookie, then it won’t really matter what browser you use or even if you clean the cache and history. You have to deep scrub your system and practically all traces of your browser to even get rid of those.
And even so, basic networking is a no brainer when they can just flag your IP and it won’t even matter how many times you’ve done that process.
VPN and Incognito browsing is the way.
I discovered the other night that I couldn’t even browse Reddit anonymously with my VPN active.
They’ve been blocking Vons for years.
The absolute degradation of the site is appalling. And most of the comments read like they’re written by children, because I’m assuming most of them are.
The absolute stupidity of everything on the site is flabberghasting.
I don’t know then. I can browse Reddit just fine and I’m not using a VPN. It is interacting with the content and commenting I can’t do because auto-shadowban.
That there are so many ways to store data on a browser (including exploits) and that they expose so much information about your physical device is a big part of the problem. Even barring that, there are additional ways they can fingerprint a user. While any one thing might not be telling, when you take all of them in combination, it gets frighteningly accurate how easy it is for them to know exactly who you are.
They certainly can. Do you have evidence that suggests they are doing that?
They were archived as they restored them several times. But I kept the account and every time they restored them, I used software to go in and wipe them back out. They’re still not visible on the front end to this day. Maybe they’ll do something AI with them, but they don’t show up in Google search anymore.
You can download everything posted on Reddit prior to the great api ban in a torrent. So yeah it’s still out there.
Mine was “the german train system organisation should be burned down and redone anew” and “sprich deutsch du hurensohn”
Was it your plan to hit em with the left right politics punch, or…?
No it was under a postof news that the CEO again got raised while the trains were delaid heavier than ever and that a lot of bureaucracy holds it back. Its not politics. Litterly just we need to redo how to organise our trains!
Well, everything is politics. But I was more wondering about the “sprich deutsch” Part - that’s usually more of a racist thing, and therefore right wing politics. But if you don’t see public transport as political you might be right-wing overall?
It’s a meme on German language subreddits when Americans shit up the place in English.
Yeah, I got that context now, which I also accounted for with the “usually” qualifier. I still think it builds an attitude that is toxic to outsiders and can potentially push someone into a right-wing position. I have witnessed first hand how someone fell down a fascist rabbit hole via online places touting language superiority.
…are we now just connecting things to put everyone in right corner? God i hate online people…
Guess being against corperates, for self reliance, public owner ship, pro a european state and untouchable democracy, and so on, is now “right wing”.
“Sprich deutsch” in litterly ich_iel is litterly the norm! Thats the joke! Everything is worded german. Guess such is now “right wing”.
“Everything is politics” omfg. Yeah nah. Thats enought Internet for this month, and it only started. Crazy!
bro just skipped the “usually” part and made a rant against things being judged politically.
I think the “everything has to be written in German” part of ich_iel is also establishing a rather nationalist online culture through linguistic homogeny and illegibility to outsiders. So, yeah, you may not want to recognize the impact your words may have, but it’s clear to many others.
For wishing an old man would have a heart attack and leave the world peacefully.
remember the luigi craze,
i think people were shocked that all thier accounts were banned simulataneously, despite some of them not participating in the same subs, around the same time. they just went after every account in your ip address,device or browser. even if time has passed that a subreddit ban has been lifted in your old accounts. the site filters/AI doesnt take that into account, and i suspect its intentional.
i noticed reddit is very wary of browser forks now too(google, firefox forks), theres a reason they dont like brave(because it hides your fingerprints by default)
I said that folks would blame the Kirk shooting on trans people. What do you know, I was banned and it actually fucking happened.
feel your pain, homie.
Thanks haha, I was never really rah rah into reddit itself but it had a lot of cool niche subs for hobbies and such and that’s where I spent most of my time not even in the default or political subs.
i got nuked right after some dummy account asked if i want to add a new mod on my sub. a couple of days later - voila - i’m actually a malicious bot boo this bot motherfucker. that was suspicious and for what - i’m literally dropping read/watch later shit
I could never understand why people cared about their social media accounts.
Because whether you like it or not, social media is the easy-track to connect with people of all varying degrees and connect through common interests and even ideals. It’s a lot easier than in the 2000s and 1990s when all you’ve had was an e-mail and probably chat room hopping. You just had to know someone else’s e-mail like you would have to know someone’s number to call them, that’s how it worked.
With social media, you can just breeze through friend lists and comb over searches to find friends and everything far easier. It’s easier to connect with people that way than ever before. And losing out on that, can sting.
I sometimes wished it wasn’t that way, but the people have largely decided we needed something more than just writing e-mails to eachother.
if you start having a social network within a social media, a ban can hurt.
especially a sitewide ban preventing you from making a new account, of which they dont tell you the offense.
probably some have ties to smaller communities of specific category(not news or politics), like your into tech, or cars, or CARD GAMES, or console games. or specific discussions. i had identification of “things/plants” that i now cant access. or discussion of a condition(not to find a diagnosis, but your experiences)
News about short term falls are just click bait. Just look at Tesla
Tesla stock ups and downs seem like someone is literally gaming the system.
That’s because he is.
the fact that neither Musk nor none of his cronies ever get comeuppance for that tells you everything you need to know about the “fairness” of the “system”.
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That’s what pandering to the bigger techbros spez gets.
Being there stopped being fun ever since the shits started running a massive profile-and-purge program powered by fucking AI, as even casually mentioning violence against right-wingers or POTUS and his merry chucklefucks gets your account flagged for banning. That’s why there’s now a chilling effect.
Yeah, and it aged hard like milk.
All my accounts were banned except one, because I used a different email address for that one. Their “AI” isn’t as advanced as they want you to think. They literally just track you by email and IP.
Their profiling system is based on content in the form of posts and comments, and they used AI to build it up in addition to user-submitted reports determining one’s character – and overall ideological alignment. Mods and admins would then use that information to determine if you are a candidate for banning.
Sounds right, tbh. Source?
mines was the same, until April the final account got banned. I heard early on in the year, that when it gives you the message “your account has been suspended for suspicious activity, change your password”, when i did that the ban was lifted. they fixed that later on. im guessing its thier way of asking for your password to fish out a pattern to ban you with(like fingerprinting,browser, desktop specs.
I wonder why people on worldnews are not banned. 🤔
israeli propaganda, as long as your pro-israeli or anti-russian you are free. last i recieved a 7day ban for critcizing benajamin as the instigator of the war.
I got my reddit ban for replying to someone in world news. Their comment was saying spain should declare war on israel. I forget why, this before the flotilla though.
I got banned for saying that was unlikely as israel is a nuclear power.
you dont even have to mention anything you can just get banned for creating a new account, or firing up an years old account, since they will consider those as bots. it happens randomly though. so much so, the shadowban sub had so many of these bans because they got banned for little reason.(besides the one that have multiple accounts get shadowbanned).
they started limiting the amount of time the shadowban questions stay open to silence any discussion of it.
Downvoted because this isn’t news. It’s clickbaity nonsense which has no bearing on anything real.
That’s probably why they are banning people left and right to control the content they want to put out.
Reddit be a mess, yall
Good. Nazi sympathizing shithole deserves nothing but the worst. Fuck spez and every complicit modgoloid and SSAdmin.
Modgoloid is great.
Fuck reddit.
Yay reddit worth less, wtf it’s due to chatgpt?
The entire site is gpt.
