Federal officers shot a man in the elbow and a deputy U.S. Marshal was hit in the hand with a ricochet bullet during an immigration enforcement operation.
Immigration agents shot a suspect after he rammed their vehicle during LA stop, DHS says
“illegal immigration” is a dog whistle because the easiest way to stop it is just legalize all immigration. Most opponents won’t like that because they believe there should be an in- and out-group of acceptable and not-acceptable immigration, but the more you try to classify what that should be the further from reality and common sense you get.
I don’t even know anyone on any side that is against deporting illegal immigrants.
Hi! Nice to meet you. Now you know at least one that is.
Lets put the humanitarian argument aside right now, as I don’t think that would resonate with you. I’d much prefer a sane immigration system in the USA exist where there is a clear path to citizenship for the many people that come to our borders willing to do the jobs in our economy that Americans won’t do, that our economy and society depend on. Since we don’t have that sane immigration system, the undocumented immigrants that are here, and doing the work, while paying taxes into systems they can’t derive social benefits from are doing us a great service in propping us up.
Even the most cold-hearted economic conservative should recognize deporting these folks and their families is going to blow a giant hole in our labor force, skyrocketing prices, and destroying our economy. Even the Republican President Reagan in 1986 saw this and granted amnesty to decades of undocumented immigrants that had arrived before 1982. source
So whats your plan for all the jobs and services that undocumented people are doing today that go undone if you get your way?
I can see not wanting immigration. I can understand how that is something people might genuinely want. I don’t personally agree with it but i can understand it. But what i don’t understand is the fact they are doing this in such a fucked up weird childish nonsensical manner that makes it clearly look like this is more a show of power than it has to do with their immigration concerns. If they could still get away with doing this to gays and blacks it would be happening to them instead.
I can see not wanting immigration. I can understand how that is something people might genuinely want. I don’t personally agree with it but i can understand it.
I can’t understand not wanting immigration. As economies develop the local population has fewer children. This leaves a nation with a declining birth rate which results in a negative replacement rate. This means more people are dying everyday (usually from old age) than are being born to replace them in the population. At this point a nation has three choices:
Do nothing. As time advances, this means the nation dies because its people simply die off. Realistically, as soon as the population drops low enough, the country will be invaded and taken by another country. The result, the original nation ceases to exist. This is the path that Japan and South Korea are on which both have negative replacement rates and very restrictive immigration rules.
Force your population to give birth. This is what Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceaușescu did starting in 1967 with Decree 770. Abortion was made illegal. Birth Control was made illegal (sound familiar for the USA these days?). Women were made to visit state hospitals monthly to monitor for pregnancy. Once pregnant, the secret police would track expectant mothers to make sure she carried to term or faced the threat of law. Material mortality skyrocketed. Orphan populations skyrocketed because unwanted children were being forced to be born to parents that didn’t want children. This lead to a spike in child mortality.
Immigration. Allow others to enter your nation to keep the population stable or slightly growing to make up for the shortfall in birth rate from the domestic population. Canada does this successfully. To-date, this has also been the path the USA has been on, and has been able to buck the trend of a declining population currently being faced but much of the rest of the highly developed economy nations. Under trump, that is reversing, which means we’re going to be choosing #1 or #2 on this list soon.
Given those three choices, immigration sounds like is an awesome choice! I can’t understand why anyone would want a different choice.
Hi, me. Because currently they’re being kidnapped, disappeared, and whisked to Salvadorean death prisons, and other countries willing to accept the US’ undesirables for large sums of money.
That said, for illegal immigrants, yeah either put them on track for proper citizenship or deport them.
Advocating for immigrants to resist is advocating for them to put themselves in real danger. So yeah, no one can do that in good conscience.
However, there’s a very rational argument to be against deportation, especially as it’s being done right now: Unrestricted deportation makes this country objectively worse, not better. Deporting employed, law abiding people who have lived here since they were 3 is a stupid idea. Our immigration policy is not good policy and before we irreparably ruin lives and tear families apart, we should fix it.
I don’t know a single person that “advocates for illegal aliens to resist”.
Plenty of people advocate for just that. And it is a major reason Republicans have been beating the deportation drum. It is so, so damn easy for them to point to those people and get votes.
Edit: I enjoy how people are up and down this thread saying they are that person OP said they never see, yet when I point this out, everyone reverts to acting like these people don’t exist. You can’t have it both ways.
Why is everyone so fucking dumb lately. I don’t know a single person that “advocates for illegal aliens to resist”.
I don’t even know anyone on any side that is against deporting illegal immigrants.
“illegal immigration” is a dog whistle because the easiest way to stop it is just legalize all immigration. Most opponents won’t like that because they believe there should be an in- and out-group of acceptable and not-acceptable immigration, but the more you try to classify what that should be the further from reality and common sense you get.
Well now you know one. Fuck ICE and fuck anyone who works with them.
Anarcho-communist here. I’m against deporting undocumented migrants. Any actual leftist worth a damn will agree with me here.
Hi! Nice to meet you. Now you know at least one that is.
Lets put the humanitarian argument aside right now, as I don’t think that would resonate with you. I’d much prefer a sane immigration system in the USA exist where there is a clear path to citizenship for the many people that come to our borders willing to do the jobs in our economy that Americans won’t do, that our economy and society depend on. Since we don’t have that sane immigration system, the undocumented immigrants that are here, and doing the work, while paying taxes into systems they can’t derive social benefits from are doing us a great service in propping us up.
Even the most cold-hearted economic conservative should recognize deporting these folks and their families is going to blow a giant hole in our labor force, skyrocketing prices, and destroying our economy. Even the Republican President Reagan in 1986 saw this and granted amnesty to decades of undocumented immigrants that had arrived before 1982. source
So whats your plan for all the jobs and services that undocumented people are doing today that go undone if you get your way?
I can see not wanting immigration. I can understand how that is something people might genuinely want. I don’t personally agree with it but i can understand it. But what i don’t understand is the fact they are doing this in such a fucked up weird childish nonsensical manner that makes it clearly look like this is more a show of power than it has to do with their immigration concerns. If they could still get away with doing this to gays and blacks it would be happening to them instead.
I can’t understand not wanting immigration. As economies develop the local population has fewer children. This leaves a nation with a declining birth rate which results in a negative replacement rate. This means more people are dying everyday (usually from old age) than are being born to replace them in the population. At this point a nation has three choices:
Given those three choices, immigration sounds like is an awesome choice! I can’t understand why anyone would want a different choice.
They could
they most likely will if this goes on longer but i bet it will look more political on the surface.
BLM was all about the cops already doing it to black people. A lot of ICE are cops.
All of ICE is cops, especially in the ACAB sense.
Hi, me. Because currently they’re being kidnapped, disappeared, and whisked to Salvadorean death prisons, and other countries willing to accept the US’ undesirables for large sums of money.
That said, for illegal immigrants, yeah either put them on track for proper citizenship or deport them.
Advocating for immigrants to resist is advocating for them to put themselves in real danger. So yeah, no one can do that in good conscience.
However, there’s a very rational argument to be against deportation, especially as it’s being done right now: Unrestricted deportation makes this country objectively worse, not better. Deporting employed, law abiding people who have lived here since they were 3 is a stupid idea. Our immigration policy is not good policy and before we irreparably ruin lives and tear families apart, we should fix it.
Plenty of people advocate for just that. And it is a major reason Republicans have been beating the deportation drum. It is so, so damn easy for them to point to those people and get votes.
Edit: I enjoy how people are up and down this thread saying they are that person OP said they never see, yet when I point this out, everyone reverts to acting like these people don’t exist. You can’t have it both ways.