So now we can add “directly capturing a sovereign leader” to the list of crap the US has done. So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something? Think it’ll be significant or something mundane?
I hate to say it, but there’s no fast answer to that question.
The best answer seems to be what most smart countries are doing right now… slowly unwinding their dependency on the US and finding alternative suppliers for everything critical they need so they can get the leverage they need to criticize and resist. This has the added benefit of isolating the US economically, reducing its currency’s ability to influence things.
Over time the US will grow less and less able to throw its weight around, and eventually a tipping point will be reached where picking an ideological fight with the US won’t have a major impact. That’s when the US will be stopped.
Logically that makes sense for an elongated timeline, but that also assumes the US doesn’t ramp up their actions, which sadly seems to be the case. So the question is “what then?”
Nations can’t ignore the fact that the US has one of the most active militaries in the world. Our Navy is more of less second to none and we have nukes. In the hands of a normal president, we might be fine but you sure as heck know that Trump and his Project 2025 people are just itching to launch one.
This is a situation where there are no good options. The best you can do is continue political pressure, get other nations to rally behind you in the hopes of creating a strong economic resistance.
But the real answer is that we, the US citizens, need to fucking take this country back. I hate to say it but protests simply aren’t enough anymore.
So what do you think will actually be “the straw that broke the camels back” for world leaders to actually do something?
Frankly? Nothing. Nothing happened after Iraq, nothing happened after Afghanistan, nothing will happen after Venezuela.
The world has to hold us accountable. Sanction us. Make it hurt.
Americans aren’t the only ones being “cowards” in all of this, as Europeans online love to throw around these days.
Follow the money.
See all those billionaire tech cunts propping him up? Sanction them. Ban their software. Block their psy-op social media websites.
Do to the US what the US has been doing for 150 years.
Invest heavily in local anti government revolutionist organizations and support their efforts covertly. You know, like Russia and China have already been doing for 30 years.
USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government. This is not surprising given our crushing economic system, the fragility of our lives, and cultural landscape of the USA. At this point I believe Resistance has to come from outside the USA. This is unlikely due to the USA’s extensive nuclear arsenal.
I foresee the USA going the way of China and Russia, steadily oppressing its people, enriching its oligarchs, and occasionally creating problems for the world. Greenland may very well be the USA’s version of China constantly threatening to seize Taiwan.
USAmericans have shown a complete inability to rise up against their government.
You realize, surely, that they chose the government.
A minority did, yes
A majority did, actually. Trump voters + non-voters.
War, either world or civil. Unfortunately I don’t see any other way at this point
I’m glad you’re not smart enough to be in charge!
If other counties boycotted instead of caving into demands, that would have an influence.
No country should be dealing with the US right now. Cut this country the fuck off.
Do not allow Preznit Fuckwit or any of his cronies in your country. Threaten with imprisonment since he is a disgusting multi-time felon who is also a pedo and a rapist. No decent country should let that type of thing step foot there.
Sanction. Do not buy American ANYTHING. The fucking morons who voted for this shit need to hurt. Im talking destitute. They need to have zero choice but to point their dirty finger at the source of their misery and accept that he is a con-- a fucking con!!-- and that their own stupidity is why they are not scraping by.
This isn’t the first time the US has done
“directly capturing a sovereign leader”
Importantly other countries aren’t that mad about it either. I saw some posts about Trump making comments that seemed to suggest that mexico and canada could be targeted in the future for intervention related to drugs, so I went to canadian news sites to see what was up. The canadian government is basically like, “I’m not angry, I’m disappointed” and mostly because it goes against the norms of polite imperialism.
I won’t link to her twitter account, but here is the statement:
Alt text:
The Hon. Anita Anand Minister of Foreign Affairs
Since 2019, when Canada closed its embassy in Venezuela, we have refused to recognize any legitimacy of the Maduro regime and opposed its repression of the Venezuelan people, including the persecution of dissenters and particularly political leaders opposed to the regime.
In keeping with our long-standing commitment to upholding the rule of law and democracy, Canada calls on all parties to respect international law and we stand by the people of Venezuela and their desire to live in a peaceful and democratic society.
Canada is engaging with its international partners and monitoring developments closely.
Canada stands ready to assist Canadians in need through our consular officials and embassy in Bogotá, Colombia.
I think it has to be a major financial crash and/or a big war
I’m genuinely curious what would happen if the US lost nearly all of their foreign investors and all/nearly all of their major trading partners. (I understand that this is highly unlikely, but so was the thought that another world war would happen and happen in less than 50 years. I’m also tired of holding my breath on these things…)
The US as a country has vast natural resources, a lot of space, and a large educated population. There are two very long coasts, enabling trade by sea across the globe.
Investors fleeing and trade collapsing would lead to a major crisis and necessitate restructuring the economy. It’s important to remember that money leaving the country, doesn’t mean the physical assets like buildings, machines, trained workforce, and infrastructure leave as well. Production of goods for export would lead to too much supply of some things, with a lack of imported goods.
Lots of international trade could be replaced by domestic production. The US might actually be able to pull off an economy closed off to much of the world better than any other country. The reindustrialization and transformation of the economy would take a couple of years to a decade, with lots of hardship.
Still the US produces so much food and has an overproduction of pretty much all agricultural goods, that widespread hunger is unlikely. The agricultural sector already depends on subsidies snd regulation. So the bureaucracy and infrastructure is already in place to keep it going and steer it.
Culturally Americans are used to dynamic markets, adapting to change, and entrepreneurial spirit. That’s a further asset for being able to transform and economy.
Finally because of the easy access to the oceans and a powerful navy to protect their trade, the US can be very flexible regarding who they trade with. New tradingpartners will show up quickly.
Of course this discussion is a bit moot without talking about the world political stage this happens in.
tl;dr there would a shortage of goods, economic turmoil, no famine, stable energy production, likely a swift recovery
This reads like chatgpt. And is wildly unrealistically optimistic. And is wrong about American culture in a fundamental way and is ignoring bird flu, screw worm, and the upcoming dust bowl from mono culture industrial farming practices. Millions would die and it would take well over a decade just to ramp up manufacturing to make up for loss of imported goods. The country would ostensibly survive but it would look and act a lot more like Russia than it already does.
Only US citizens can stop the US. We’re counting on you guys!
Prepare to be disappointed
Jesus fuck. I hope this is a joke because no one is realistically counting on Americans to do the right fucking thing.
Go fuck yourself
You know it’s true.
Maybe they can just fuck with US elections online. That wont end in disaster for everyone.
Israel, Russia, and China do that in every one of our elections. The problem is that they’re always trying to get the most disruptive candidate installed to weaken the US. Legitimate countries always take the stance of “we don’t want to get involved with yada yada”
A handful of countries are willing to put Trumps in charge and no one else is willing to stop them or put someone more friendly to the rest of the world in charge. Our elections are influenced on social media by Russia, economically influenced by China, and candidates are paid for by AIPAC and a south African billionaire. Our elections are as much the will of the people as the direction of the wind is, and we have just as much influence over each.
Im just saying, OP is pleading with the rest of the world to do something about the democratic decay of the US but is seemingly unaware that other countries revel in it.
“Democratic decay” implies the US has ever been a democracy, it has not
Its a democratic republic. A form of democracy. Go on with your essentialism though.
We’ve gone from only representing rich white christians to only representing the rich lol, it’s not “essentialism” to recognize the verifiable fact that political decisions in this country are not made in accordance with the desires or best interests of voters, the US is a fucking oligarchy and has been since before either of us was born, read a fucking book
Maybe understand what the meaning of the word decay is.
The USA is 250 years old. Democracy has waned and and surged over those years. Ill give you the same prescription, read a fucking book.
Have you actually read anything that wasn’t assigned in school?
WW3 fought in mainland USA…
The usa has only ever benefitted from war… once they taste it at home and have cities to rebuild, they may drop the deadly combination of chicken hawk and apathy that seems to be their take on war
Trump is already attacking US cities. Any war or other issues affecting the US won’t affect the rich nearly as much, and the news is run by them. The Trumpies will be told and in turn will decide that it is Biden’s fault.
Trump is already attacking US cities
My sweet summer child… go check some pictures of French cities devastated in WW2 and tell me you are already under attack
Tour ignorance is deep. Go read about Germany in the late 1930s if you can stop worshipping your pedophile Fuhrer.
Dude, your reading comprehension is very lacking… I have nothing but vitriol for the Orange Pedophile
Most of these answers here are not viable because the US has leverage in almost every nation on earth.
Venezuela, Iran, Russia, China, etc are the exception, hence why they are sanctioned (and constantly suffering problems with every new CIA project) bar China which is locked in a trade war and has a sizable military to back themselves up.
You would realistically require a counter world power that offers an alternative to the US system, which used to be the USSR which no longer exists.
China is poised as the next superpower, but they haven’t made any significant moves in that regard because they are wary of the USSR’s downfall, and have no intention of engaging the USA in that manner (yet).
Everyone in the UN, despite all their cries, will fall in line when threatened, aside from the aforementioned exceptions.
