He really is using them to make war on America
Woe betide the anyone who fights back without over a thousand armed civilians behind him.
The conspiracy theory that he’s attempting to rile people up until he has a plausible excuse to remove civil liberties is looking more and more plausible
Or he can just…remove civil liberties anyway. Why the need to jump through hoops?
Fascists just love and adore fake appearances. They are all about the propaganda and getting their hardcore base to rally around a common cause. That’s why the Reichstag fire was so effective for Hitler, it was easy to scapegoat the communists and old government and get the base to support the idea of taking complete power.
Dude, half the world believes in some entity that created everything and we are his center of attention. Why would not they believe in false narratives of their master and they love to hate minorities
It doesn’t matter if the excuse is plausible. People who want to show their loyalty can do it by claiming to believe the unbelievable thing.
Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect. – Frank Wilhoit
By claiming to believe the lie, you also lay a claim to being part of the in-group so the rules (like telling the truth about things) don’t apply to you. Of course, the truth is that 99.9% of the people who think of themselves as part of the in-group were never part of it, and will eventually be treated the same as the people who they’re trying to trample on.
Rulers need the cooperation of the masses. This is all about concocting a chaotic political environment where people are afraid enough that they won’t stop the power grab.
The cooperation of the masses angle is extremely important. As fucked up and idiotic as it is, many people are fully buying into the narrative that she ran him over and deserved it. It’s hard to believe when you’re here, but it’s working on a shocking amount of people, as well as obviously his base. So waiting for an actual event to point to will legitimize it in a massive way.
Yeah it’s too bad we don’t have clearer video. Like if you watch carefully and thoughtfully, it’s pretty obvious what’s happening but if you’re motivated to lie to yourself, the view is just obscured enough that the deception can survive.
Like a lot of longtime BLM people were puzzled that George Floyd was the one to break the dam of public outrage because things like that happen all the time. But the difference is it was documented so clearly, so intimately, that there was simply no possible justification. We may need a moment like that to break through with ICE and unfortunately I’m not sure it will be Renee Good.
A dash cam is a good investment for a lot of reasons.
He’s currently courting the necessary political figures to be able to do so without major disruption to himself and those already onboard.
It’s easier to fight fewer people. It’s pleasant to own nice things.
He doesn’t have to take your civil liberties if you give up and stop resisting first. That’s what he wants. He wants you to cower and surrender.
Civil lives are already being removed. The mom didn’t just lose her liberty
Yup. Just keep invading more and more of America until something is ignited. Then he and that demon Stephen Miller will be rock-hard as they invoke martial law.
CBP massing in Minnesota? What’s the deal, lots of people jumping the border in Grand Portage? /s
Citizens are already sick and tired of ICE operations in Minneapolis, but sure, double down and pour more law enforcement into the area. What a fucking joke, not only should reinforcements be assigned from the National Guard, but even the mayor has said they’re unwelcome. Go home Feds, and take your ball with you.
Trump has been asking the DoJ about invoking the Insurrection Act over the immigrant “invasion” since, I believe, inauguration day. The escalation of ICE presence, activity, and tacticsay very well be an intentional effort to provoke a resistance that the DoJ would feel comfortable recommending invoking the Insurrection Act over.
I hear you, and I understand this rationale, but I keep feeling as though a lot of people are missing the subtext - they’re going to do it anyway, they don’t need any actual provocation to take those actions, they’ll manufacture (not quite false flag, but in the ballpark) the scenario and narrative required to strip states, cities. and citizens of their rights.
Conservatives and MAGA are salivating at the opportunity to gain the power needed to liquidate their ideological opponents… Frankly, I’d be shocked if they don’t do it, or at least give it the old college try.
Sure, but they would have done it 8 months ago if they had an excuse. We didn’t give them one, and we made it 8 months more without an escalation to overt declaration of martial law.
Even if it seems inevitable, lots of things can happen that change the calculus in our favor (not least of which is Trump’s black heart finally giving out) by just buying more time. On the other hand, if fed up citizens react with violence, that permanently will normalize what’s happening right now.
From the Lemmy responses I’ve seen, I assume people think that’s naive. But I don’t think people can imaginine how much worse it will get if we make it to an overt military state, and how much higher the challenge will be to revert to a semblance of democracy. It’s a one-way ratchet, they have all the weapons, money and institutions, and that’s why Stephen Miller and Trump are so eager for it.
Sure, but they would have done it 8 months ago if they had an excuse. We didn’t give them one, and we made it 8 months more without an escalation to overt declaration of martial law.
I can’t agree, you’re saying that they would have done it right after inauguration if U.S. citizens had given them an excuse, and that you’ve all made it that long without an escalation or martial law. The only part that I’ll grant is the absence of marital law, there sure as shit has been an escalation, you have massive retaliatory deployments of taskforces and ICE across the nation in Democrat-leaning states/cities. They’re conducting what would normally be considered legally questionable if not outright illegal surveillance, assaults, arrests/detentions/ deportations and killings of civilians. How you don’t consider this a significant escalation escapes me.
On the other hand, if fed up citizens react with violence, that permanently will normalize what’s happening right now.
Speculation, pure and simple. It’s your opinion and I’ll grant you it, but I don’t agree that it would have already happened day-one if it were going to happen at all, let alone that the current state of affairs would be permanently normalized simply because of the current POTUS and his lackeys. The lot of it is illegal, and clear abuses of constitutional/civil rights. Staying hands-off while the situation slowly worsens isn’t a safe bet considering the guaranteed eventual loss of rights should that assumption prove correct - if you’re going to lose them anyway, why wait?
You’re talking about the demented rapist’s most often used and predictable response.
Here he goes. He was hoping for an opportunity to escalate so he can cancel the midterms. If we want another election it’s going to take action across the country
Elections are run by the states. State officials decide to hold them and run them. If a Republican-majority state doesn’t, then they don’t get representation in Congress.
Cute how you think this cannot be worked around.
It really can’t very easily they’ve tried many many times
They stopped an elected member from being sworn in for quite a while recently. This proved that there’s nothing stopping them from doing this. There’s no reason they can’t do the same on a larger scale.
Well, here’s the thing. Johnson was not required for her to be sworn in, it could be done in another manner, I want to say a federal judge can do it, but my memory may be hazy.
I get that, but he has already talked about trying to cancel them and declaring a state of emergency to justify it multiple times. I’m not disagreeing with you, I’m just saying that relying on our system to correct this mistake hasn’t worked so far and I’m starting to doubt that it’s going to hold up to correct it at all at this point. I wouldn’t put it past him to mobilize whatever willing troops he can to directly stop local elections. I also live in a newly potentially purple state, so I guess I’m pretty dubious of everything surrounding this upcoming midterm regarding normalcy
Hey Walz, use your national guard and state that “ALL ICE agents in this state will be hand and leg cuffed, beaten to the ground, and left there for 10 days if they do NOT leave the state within 24 hours”.
Someone needs to remind these “agents” that if they want to go home, maybe they should go home.
Don’t let the National Guard hit you in the ass on the way out
Sounds like a civil war is brewing.
It’s already (been) here.
Is this civil war yet?
It has been for a while, but one side doesn’t seem to realize it yet
Of course. Double down donny clown taco cart.
And this is how you bypass posse comitatus.
Which border is Minnesota adjacent to?
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It was rhetorical, but that’s my point. They’re not going to patrol the border.
More agents in one area makes it easier to take more of them out.
I hope they go scorched earth on them.
Maybe something like that thing that happened in Dallas. Who knows https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
