cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/58978579
The online survey of 1,002 U.S. adults was conducted between Jan. 13 and 15. It found that 66 per cent of respondents want Canada to remain an independent nation
70% of Americans believe in angels. If you take the extreme end of that statistic you can just insert any crazy belief.
Probably 15% of those don’t know what annex means
You propably meant about 88% of them.
What percentage want another country to take over the US? If that question isn’t in that survey then its meaningless. Which it probably still would be no matter what. Most surveys target certain demographics to get the answers they want.
Fucking hell that’s too high. They’ve been nothing but an excellent neighbor to us and they want to remain sovereign. This is just a demand for a forever war against old friends that will also result in us actually being attacked on our own soil for once. Because yeah, they know where our bases are and if we’re invading they’re going to use their modern military.
In fact, I’m angry at the term annex here. Annex is a word that feels neutral and like it could be bloodless, the word in question is invade or go to war with. Going to war with Canada would result in attacks on our cities. Civilians will die on both sides for no fucking gain. Billions of dollars in infrastructure will be wiped out for good reason and that’s all assuming that nato stays neutral, which they’ve made pretty clear isn’t the case. We need to start talking here with the people in our lives about how that’s what “annexing” canada looks like, and make damn sure that we’re in the 90+% vociferously opposing this bullshit.
I think even many Canadians don’t think it through. If we survive the initial invasion we will be deprived of education, healthcare, freedom of movement, democratic representation, autonomy, resources like water and electricity, employment and money. Some of us would be pulled out of our homes and disappeared or killed, particularly if we’re vocal critics of the USA. We would be closely watched and guarded and met with violence at the first sign of resistance or noncompliance. Our children would be indoctrinated in school. Our scientific institutions would be shut down. Our friends and family, particularly anyone who is not a straight white cis Christian conservative, will be in constant danger. It won’t be just an administrative handover that allows Canadians to get on with their lives. It will be brutal and punitive.
We would, but what other choice would we have if if happened? Just kowtow to the US? Fuck that. Would it suck and make everything horrible? Yes, but not like Ukraine had an option when their war started.
We need to figure out how a smallish, largely unarmed population could make a large, heavily armed force wish they had never met us.
Which is why violent, disruptive resistance would be the norm. I’m talking making the Taliban look like a relief organization. I would happily make sure Americans fear for their lives every second of every day if it ever came to that and I know Im not alone in that. If I had to die as a result, as long as I take out 10 Americans before I do I’d die happy.
In other words, terrorize the fuckers until they go home.
Considering you can get 30% of americans to agree with anything on a poll, 17% must be like the amount of americans who think like “autonomous” means “automobile maker” or something and are too embarrassed to ask for clarification.
25 pc of the president’s base is evangelical. They want chaos, war, misery, to hasten the second coming (of angry vengeful jesus, none of that weak ass new testament bullshit,) where the faithful, them, get brought to heaven and the world drowns in lakes of blood and fire.
These people believe in nothing to advance the common good, the common good to them is pain, strife, and the end of the world.
Naturally they see the president and his puppet master in Israel making US and UK swells dance waving around tapes of them fucking children with epstein as a gift from god to bring on this rapture.
17% of Americans can throw themselves directly into a volcano.
pretty sure they’d need assistance on that, so, eh. you know.
You think one of those rascal scooters could make it to the summit?
nope. they’re gonna have to hire sherpas or something.
I bet I could find some folks willing to do it for free out of the goodness of their hearts.
“I don’t want muh tax dollars going to foreigners!”
I have a feeling many of them would miss.
After they’ve fucked themselves with a cactus
NGL I’d want Canada to annex us.
I’m in the PNW, it’s a fairly common sentiment around here.
I’m from MN, same here. Especially since the federal government despises us so much.
How about Canada Annexes the PNW and New England and the US annexes Alberta.
The upper midwest and ontario would be a good new country. Chicago to minnesota to michigan, all of michigan, huron, and superior.
You understand a big problem Canadians have with Americans, is that even when you disagree with your “leader”, you’re still talking about carving up our country.
You know we find that incredibly disrespectful, right?
It would have been a great country had it gone that way, and should Canada destabilize like the US maybe, but they’ve been pretty clear that they like being a whole country, and Ontario didn’t join us in the 18th century, and they’re unlikely to join up with some of us in the 21st. Also they definitely wouldn’t want Indiana. That said the upper Midwest (Ohio to Minnesota, maybe even transappalacian Pennsylvania) would make for a pretty good country to be a close ally of canada
I am 100 percent in agreement in leaving out Indiana. I would leave out ohio too, or just the northern third of illinois, indiana, ohio, and pennsylvania.
Because the south of those states are more confederate in nature. Idk pennslyvania though most is more eastern seaboard, the ne corridor cpuld be a couple countries, new england then ny to dc.
How about you guys get your house in order, fix your stupid gun laws, and then we can talk about something like North American Schengen. Quebec City to Chicago in high speed rail sounds like fun, you know?
That sounds lovely and like something I have argued for for my entire life and will continue to argue for. It’s currently unclear if the US will splinter, but I dream of a day when high speed rail can take someone from Vancouver to Mexico City
This is questionable. Partially because the knuckle draggers who support trump largely wouldn’t know what the word annex means.
That’s why it’s not that magical 33%
17 percent of Americans need lobotomies.
They seem to be way ahead of you
Yeah lobotomies are redundant for those morons.
Canadian here: FUCK. OFF.
American here - I wish we would
I want Canada, Denmark, or almost anyone else to annex the US west coast.
Maybe Canada could trade Alberta with the US in exchange for Oregon, Washington, and California.
So many US sources say shit like “only 17 %” as if this is a low value. It’s infuriating
I think the wording is meant to contrast how few Americans actually want it, vs, how much Trump wants it, who, as president, should, in theory as an elected figure, represent the majority opinion of the people. So, they are calling attention to the fact that it’s a low number, but for a different reason than your reading.
Obviously that is part of what they are saying, they just haven’t taken the care to exclude the “we are proud of the US since only 1/5 of us want to take Canada”. In a situation like that, you’d expect more care. And this isn’t a slight one off, it’s very comment for commentary about the US, particularly domestically.
All they had to do was swap these paragraphs and it would help the implication:
Only 17 per cent of respondents said they want Canada to be a U.S. territory or state. That number climbed slightly to 23 per cent of respondents who want Greenland to become a U.S. territory or state. U.S. President Donald Trump has been aggressively pursuing an expansionist agenda during his second term.
Far better to be explicit and state what you mean:“17 per cent of respondents said they want Canada to be a U.S. territory or state, indicating low domestic popularity”. But even then, for an international audience that is a horrifyingly large amount of domestic support that if aligned with similar issues tends to include roughly 1/10 Democrats so any sort of “its just MAGA” is lies to help feel less bad about countryman.
Seriously, what are you doing defending this sort of indifference to clarity, and collateral insults, when discussing a head of state and country this egregious?
And saying 66% don’t want the USA to annex Canada as if that’s in any way a reassuringly low number.
Even if 100 percent of then wanted to they still wouldn’t have a moral claim over it.
I dunno. Seeing as they have a large region there that shares a name with my tribe. Where many used to live. Maybe they could let a few of us in.
Isn’t that what the Jay Treaty is for?
Heh don’t know, but I should probably check.
Do you think you’ll enter with the same rights you have now or the same rights they have. Or will you have a much lower, second class or third class rights.
Hard to say. As let’s be clear here, Canada has had just as problematic a past with first nations. And are currently dealing with their own fascist insurgence. But when the time comes. Dying to fascists leaves you with zero rights.
Sounds like you’re an expert in these matters
Oh, Hell no, just a pragmatist looking and taking stock of all their options in the face of an oncoming shitstorm. Chances are I’m going to stick it out here with family.
17% of Americans are abjectly stupid
Nah, they are evangelical. Even worse.
It’s at least 2x-3x that statistic. They are just even more ignorant or uninvolved in life outside of their small town.
