Nothing wrong in making unemployment illegal.
Homes were given to everyone, no one would want to be voluntarly homeless, putting in prison is bullshit.
Famine is different from starvation and fighting for bread every day. Capitalism starves 6 million people every year. Way more than during soviet famine. Famines were common in pre soviet russia - only one under soviet russia.
yup. Whats wrong exactly? Do you expect everyone to produce for you so you could eat and sleep? You know despite that people had choice to what kind of work will they do right?
And when they don’t qualify for any available jobs or there simply isn’t any work and thus no jobs anywhere because jobs don’t grow on trees, you give people the job of sitting at a desk for eight hours a day doing nothing while their mental health crumbles away. Jolly good.
So the goal is simply to tick everybody’s “has job” box, not such unnecessary things as “earns enough to afford food and shelter” or “is fulfilled by job” (edit:) or even “has useful job”.
In Hungary the law was called KMK short for Közveszélyes Munka Kerülés, English term is “Social Parasitism”, but direct translation is something like “work avoidance damgerous to the public”. All soviet aligned countries had similar laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
Holodomor happened 1932-33, more than 10 years after the establishment of USSR.
Your definition of unemployed differed wildly from the state’s definition. E.g. writers, artists who doesn’t had a day to day job in the classical sense were also considered unemployed if they didn’t agree fully with the state. What if the state said the only job you can get is in a stone mine in Siberia? This was also used frequently for opposition people. They couldn’t get a job in their profession, so they had to choose between a not fitting job and between prison. Is this what you want?
About famines. You compare it to tsarist Russia, and I can’t find any notable one from the 19th century. I wouldn’t compare it to pre-industrial revolution as it was a totally different times. And why don’t you compare it from the list of olympic medals?
And you wrote “No one was starving” then “I literally said one famine”… Please, at least be consistent. You brought up the topic of starvation.
I fucking love when westerners tell me that my own experiences I lived through are fake. Wtf man, I had a relative who couldn’t work as journalists because they took part in the 1956 revolution, and he had to work as swineherd his whole life later. He died some years ago.
The Party told you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
That’s just one famine. I wouldn’t count the 1921-22 famine to any system as that’s was because of the civil war, not from the mismanagement.
Everyone had a job because it was illegal to not have a job. Homeless people were simply put in prison.
The millions of people who died during holodomor would have a different word about starvation.
If it would be that good, people wouldn’t wanted to escape.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
Nothing wrong in making unemployment illegal. Homes were given to everyone, no one would want to be voluntarly homeless, putting in prison is bullshit. Famine is different from starvation and fighting for bread every day. Capitalism starves 6 million people every year. Way more than during soviet famine. Famines were common in pre soviet russia - only one under soviet russia.
Do you hear yourself?
yup. Whats wrong exactly? Do you expect everyone to produce for you so you could eat and sleep? You know despite that people had choice to what kind of work will they do right?
I imagine it’s the same problem as how some places today are making homelessness illegal without providing the means for everyone to get a home.
Point is soviet did provide homes as homes were for living and not for landlords to make peofit, understand?
How’s that relevant here? We’re talking about jobs, not homes. I’m comparing the Soviet job situation to some present day homelessness situations.
The point is soviet had means of work for everyone.
As long as there were open positions in your profession. If not, you would just be assigned something.
Yup. Ibsee nothing wrong with it
And when they don’t qualify for any available jobs or there simply isn’t any work and thus no jobs anywhere because jobs don’t grow on trees, you give people the job of sitting at a desk for eight hours a day doing nothing while their mental health crumbles away. Jolly good.
Wrong, you reduce the working hours so everyone can have jobs, 8 hours isnt necessary. USSR had the most worker favoring labour laws for a reason.
So the goal is simply to tick everybody’s “has job” box, not such unnecessary things as “earns enough to afford food and shelter” or “is fulfilled by job” (edit:) or even “has useful job”.
In Hungary the law was called KMK short for Közveszélyes Munka Kerülés, English term is “Social Parasitism”, but direct translation is something like “work avoidance damgerous to the public”. All soviet aligned countries had similar laws. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
Holodomor happened 1932-33, more than 10 years after the establishment of USSR.
I literally said one famine under soviet Russia and that was “holodomor”
I am aware of such laws, no one wants to be unemployed.
Your definition of unemployed differed wildly from the state’s definition. E.g. writers, artists who doesn’t had a day to day job in the classical sense were also considered unemployed if they didn’t agree fully with the state. What if the state said the only job you can get is in a stone mine in Siberia? This was also used frequently for opposition people. They couldn’t get a job in their profession, so they had to choose between a not fitting job and between prison. Is this what you want?
About famines. You compare it to tsarist Russia, and I can’t find any notable one from the 19th century. I wouldn’t compare it to pre-industrial revolution as it was a totally different times. And why don’t you compare it from the list of olympic medals?
And you wrote “No one was starving” then “I literally said one famine”… Please, at least be consistent. You brought up the topic of starvation.
No, writers and artists had state guilds in which they worked and were paid by the state for their work. Stop this baseless fear mongering
Id rather work in a mine than to keep slacking and excepting free food.
Whats exactly the problem in this model?
Pre soviet russia famines: 1.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1891–1892 2. Famines mentioned in this article like 1897, early 1900s and 1921-22 famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Droughts_and_famines_in_Russia_and_the_Soviet_Union
I said no ine was starving on daily basis. I expect people to understand that
I fucking love when westerners tell me that my own experiences I lived through are fake. Wtf man, I had a relative who couldn’t work as journalists because they took part in the 1956 revolution, and he had to work as swineherd his whole life later. He died some years ago.
That’s just one famine. I wouldn’t count the 1921-22 famine to any system as that’s was because of the civil war, not from the mismanagement.
meanwhile what happens under capitalism if your reporting threatens the system:
https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/how-the-eu-is-using-anti-russia-sanctions-to-criminalise-journalism
I am not a westerner lol.
Multiple famines are listed in 2nd link. Death via starvation often occurred without famine too.
I have one friend whose geandparents say they lived happy lives in USSR and after it dissolved many low level workers lost their jobs or died
“My experience” “My relative” So it wasn’t your experience at all, just a story you heard
You literally said “no one was starving” though
Damn bro I thought ppl here understood english, sry my bad
Please explain English to me in a way that “no one was starving” and “there was one famine” aren’t contradictory
Ok my bad Ive heard about that famine so many times I forgot to write it. I hope ppl get my point tho
Yes, your point is to forget things that don’t lend themselves to your argument.