I take a small bit of comfort in knowing, years from now, history will look back on the likes of Schumer and Jeffries as the most pathetic, cowardly human beings we may have ever seen in Congress. Utter fucking embarrassments to the offices they hold, and the people they’re supposed to represent. BUT WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF DECORUM??
years from now, history will look back on the likes of Schumer and Jeffries as the most pathetic, cowardly human beings we may have ever seen in Congress
I mean, I’d like to believe that. But does anyone look back at Tip O’Neal or Tom Daschle this way? Does anyone remember these guys at all? Even someone as relatively recent and memorable as Ted Kennedy or historic as Goldwater get drowned out in the deluge of the modern moment.
I don’t think anyone is going to be talking about Schumer or Jeffries or McConnell or Johnson in something more than a footnote. Maybe Gingrich will get a nod, if only for the degree to which he self-branded and then flopped on his face - a sort of modern day Henry Clay in that regard. But Trump kinda sucks all the oxygen out of the room. It’s like asking who the House Speaker was during the Nixon administration.
Mitch has been the (public) headliner for the Republican for a long time. It might not be in high school textbooks but history will make a note of the Republican party he led.
They’re going to be seen as why fascism was able to take hold. It’s not clear that this is unique to American fascism and the path the US has taken to get here to get here, but history is going to look back at at least this frog march right, and be utterly guffawed at how absolutely preventable it all was.
I haven’t read enough about Italian or Spanish fascism, but I have at leased glazed enough in German fascism to recognize that if then equivalent of “moderate Democrats” (the Schumer’s and Jefferies of their times) are part of the function of why it seems so difficult to pull out of the death spiral towards full blown authoratian fascism the US seems locked into. Maybe one of our more well read ead community members like @PugJesus@piefed.social can weigh in.
I suppose the historical question to ask is “once a country starts those first few steps into Fascism, what role do opposition parties play in either enabling or frustrating a movement towards fascism.?”
Surely there must be some comparative scholarly analysis on this.
Party cohesion and the relative strength of the party are key factors. In a two-party system like our’s, the Dems should be well-placed, nominally, to resist (if not necessarily stop) the rise of fascism, since the division of the opposition and uniting with useful idiots is often a key tactic in fascist consolidation of power. Italy and Nazi Germany alike.
… but the Democratic party has no cohesion. Neoliberal ghouls try to milk the far-right for all its worth, like Zentrum in Weimar Germany, while the socdems and demsocs in the party actually trying to resist fascism are reduced, by their extreme minority status, to nothing more than admitting that they are defenceless, but not honorless when the hour of reckoning arrives.
For example, in South Korea in the late 80s, while not strictly speaking an expression of fascism (which is generally considered to combine totalitarian revolutionary with reactionary ideas, while South Korea was just a bargain-bin authoritarian military junta), the opposition parties fought the long-lasting authoritarianism of South Korea even without holding a majority. Even in the immensely repressive environment of a police state, they managed to not simply resist the expansion of authority, but reverse it entirely. But it required the diverse opposition groups to present a united front on at least the singular issue of opposition to authoritarian abuses.
And a lot of people taking to the streets. A lot of people taking to the streets.
I look forward to the days when proper decorum is restored and we don’t have catcalling and jeering.
My priority would be that we didn’t have lying liars like Pedonald brazenly lying from the bully pulpit, I guess. The Republicans are such liars that they were doing this disruption when Democrats were telling the truth from the bully pulpit, so even if no more Republicans get into the bully pulpit, I guess we won’t have nice things in any case…
I take a small bit of comfort in knowing, years from now, history will look back on the likes of Schumer and Jeffries as the most pathetic, cowardly human beings we may have ever seen in Congress. Utter fucking embarrassments to the offices they hold, and the people they’re supposed to represent. BUT WON’T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF DECORUM??
They aren’t cowards. They are bravely standing against the public in support of their constituents— billionaire donors.
I mean, I’d like to believe that. But does anyone look back at Tip O’Neal or Tom Daschle this way? Does anyone remember these guys at all? Even someone as relatively recent and memorable as Ted Kennedy or historic as Goldwater get drowned out in the deluge of the modern moment.
I don’t think anyone is going to be talking about Schumer or Jeffries or McConnell or Johnson in something more than a footnote. Maybe Gingrich will get a nod, if only for the degree to which he self-branded and then flopped on his face - a sort of modern day Henry Clay in that regard. But Trump kinda sucks all the oxygen out of the room. It’s like asking who the House Speaker was during the Nixon administration.
Mitch has been the (public) headliner for the Republican for a long time. It might not be in high school textbooks but history will make a note of the Republican party he led.
I mean, maybe? How many majority leaders can you name prior to Mitch’s reign of terror?
They’re going to be seen as why fascism was able to take hold. It’s not clear that this is unique to American fascism and the path the US has taken to get here to get here, but history is going to look back at at least this frog march right, and be utterly guffawed at how absolutely preventable it all was.
I haven’t read enough about Italian or Spanish fascism, but I have at leased glazed enough in German fascism to recognize that if then equivalent of “moderate Democrats” (the Schumer’s and Jefferies of their times) are part of the function of why it seems so difficult to pull out of the death spiral towards full blown authoratian fascism the US seems locked into. Maybe one of our more well read ead community members like @PugJesus@piefed.social can weigh in.
I suppose the historical question to ask is “once a country starts those first few steps into Fascism, what role do opposition parties play in either enabling or frustrating a movement towards fascism.?”
Surely there must be some comparative scholarly analysis on this.
Party cohesion and the relative strength of the party are key factors. In a two-party system like our’s, the Dems should be well-placed, nominally, to resist (if not necessarily stop) the rise of fascism, since the division of the opposition and uniting with useful idiots is often a key tactic in fascist consolidation of power. Italy and Nazi Germany alike.
… but the Democratic party has no cohesion. Neoliberal ghouls try to milk the far-right for all its worth, like Zentrum in Weimar Germany, while the socdems and demsocs in the party actually trying to resist fascism are reduced, by their extreme minority status, to nothing more than admitting that they are defenceless, but not honorless when the hour of reckoning arrives.
For example, in South Korea in the late 80s, while not strictly speaking an expression of fascism (which is generally considered to combine totalitarian revolutionary with reactionary ideas, while South Korea was just a bargain-bin authoritarian military junta), the opposition parties fought the long-lasting authoritarianism of South Korea even without holding a majority. Even in the immensely repressive environment of a police state, they managed to not simply resist the expansion of authority, but reverse it entirely. But it required the diverse opposition groups to present a united front on at least the singular issue of opposition to authoritarian abuses.
And a lot of people taking to the streets. A lot of people taking to the streets.
Wow. That’s fascinating about North Korea. I know you’ve got your day job and all, but if you had to stack rank say…
Just like von Papen. It’s not like it hasn’t happened before
I look forward to the days when proper decorum is restored and we don’t have catcalling and jeering.
But my country is different, and we do not allow that kind of boorishness.
Assuming from your server that youre Canadian…
The maple maga may not be far off from jeering. That wasn’t OK in the US either, until it was.
My priority would be that we didn’t have lying liars like Pedonald brazenly lying from the bully pulpit, I guess. The Republicans are such liars that they were doing this disruption when Democrats were telling the truth from the bully pulpit, so even if no more Republicans get into the bully pulpit, I guess we won’t have nice things in any case…