Well if you were not sure, this is clear evidence Spain did the right thing
As Trump said about Starmer:
I guess our relationship isn’t what it used to be.
You are goddam right it isn’t you malignant sociopath. And it’s all 100% your fault, and the Americans that voted for you twice!
and the Americans that voted for you twice!
3 times.
They voted for a felon rapist pedophile 3 times.
And it’s all 100% your fault,
You’re talking like that’s a bad thing.
Jesus Fucking Christ this man is a fucking child. He is constantly throwing tantrums any time he doesn’t get his way.
it describes his supporters as well.
It’s screaming babies all the way down
There’s a joke about the epstein files in there I ain’t gonna make… but it’s there.
The frightening thing is that it often works for him. At least in short term.
He did admit he stopped growing/maturing by age 6. It tracks.
His brain is mush. Have you ever been around someone who is losing their mind. Nothing coming out of their mouth makes much sense and most of it is anger.
The Karen administration.
And Spain, before you count yourself blessed of being rid of them … It will only lasts until he or one of his oligarch’s can make a buck, then it’s taco time all over again.
I’m more interested in seeing what happens with the second part of his threat, that he’ll “use those bases whether spain likes it or not”.
I believe that’s called an incursion on foreign soil.
It’s called: instead of uniting together to eliminate Iran we should gather together and eliminate the US government with its oligarchs. This will immediately solve a lot of problems in this world.
Spanish boicot of USA products now got easier! Yay!
Just also remember to unsubscribe to all USA provided services.
Here is a curated list of alternatives.
ironic to host this on a US service
Can’t let perfect be the enemy of good!
You’re paying or seeing ads?
Not meaning lemmy.world (which I’m assuming to be European as the fedihosting foundation IBAN for donations is dutch) but GitHub which is free and (mostly, because copilot ads) adfree because paid with user data
Codeberg > GitHub
Ahhh gotcha
Go Spain!
Will someone ever succeed in explaining Trump what the EU is?
I’m pretty sure no one has ever successfully explained anything to Trump.
Certainly not the age of consent. Or consent in general.
Remember when he tried to discuss a trade deal with Merkel? And she is like “uh, that’s not how it works”
Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez, one of a dwindling number of left-leaning voices in Europe
I didn’t know there were any left. Good job, Spain!
Green Party in the UK are getting a louder voice, ie more support and members than ever.
That’s good, since Labour turned out to be Tory lite just like Democrats being Republican lite.
You should also look into the Hungarian elections coming up to starting to look like their far right leader will lose!
That would be awesome! Do it, people!
Don’t get too excited. Yes, it’s a split from Orban and Magyar is more pro-EU, but Tisza (the new party) is a splinter group from Fidesz (Orban’s party) and share many of the same views domestically.
oh no, how will Spain handle not being able to get American exports???
It’s fun to joke about, until you realize that this is horrifying news; as it eliminates almost $30B worth of trade. (Source taken from 2024 Spanish data) The US exports a ton of fossil fuels and industrial equipment. The more the US cuts themselves off, the more the global economy gets disrupted. This is once again, a losing situation for everyone.
The upside is that it has the potential to bring Europe even closer together.
crazy it hasn’t happened yet
Which also means that the people behind trump are also going to lose money. He can’t piss off his handlers.
Agreed, the man will listen to “the market”
They’ll pass any loss on to the American people, whether that’s jacking up prices or the government bailing them out with our tax dollars. What remains to be seen is just how much his average supporters will tolerate and justify until the cost to them becomes unbearable. I hope more nations follow this lead; cut us off or get him to cut your nation off, strangle us economically and make us a pariah on the global stage. His loyalists and bots and foreign bad actors may be a loud minority on the internet, but they’re still a minority and getting a free pass to be a western male chauvinist isn’t going to keep party-line voters content when their businesses fail, their mortgages default, and their kids start dying in Iran.
Good thing it’s not actually happening then.
Thanks to their unified trade policy, the only way for Trump to cut off trade with Spain is to cut off trade with the entire EU. I seriously doubt he’s willing to do that.
Oh, neat! I was not aware of that.
Yes, it protects the smaller countries as much as the big ones. Any trade retaliation, like cutting off Spain means all members would cut off USA.
All he’s doing is creating more states willing to drop USA softly. Denmark was shocked awake. Now Spain. Hopefully Ireland soon. France has always been moderately awake.
The USA is not a trustworthy partner. Their interests conflict with European values and European interests more and more.
Ruasia and china are worries, but Russia less so as it’s seen to be weak but disruptive. China acts reliably but sometimes against others interests. China are less collaborative but moving to be moreso. They will do what they can to fill the void.
Add all this uncertainty with another war in the middle east and we’re in for a rough few years. It looks like Iran has been preparing for a drawn out war for quite a while. The USA has not, yet started one.
Maybe losing in the short time, but getting rid of fossil dependency is in my opinion a good thing. And most of the other things have (maybe suboptimal) alternatives.
Also, now Trump has no leverage against Spain, so that’s another good thing? And its time to increase trade with China, India, etc. 😸
Yeah! less fossil fuel dependency is great! But losing out on ~$10B worth of energy fuel is insane. Spain will need to make it up somewhere else, for probably more money. It will put a small strain on the fossil dependent sector of Spain, which is are usually near urban centers, if I’m not mistaken.
Also, there’s still the other 60%, over half of that industrial equipment. All I’m saying is, these things put strains on everyone, and it’s almost always gonna be poor people who take the worse hit and I just detest that. American laborers, who are in the manufacturing of these exports, many of whom did not vote for this. Spanish citizens who have a pretty good shot of seeing some small increases in prices. It’s just all so asanine.
yhea, but it’s like ripping of a bandaid. the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
the sooner the US turns into an isolated pariah state, the better
And of the millions of people living in the US, all the minorities, all the people who didn’t vote for Trump, all the vulnerable… just… fuck 'em?
I don’t really want an isolated pariah state with nukes, 10 aircraft carriers and the biggest army on earth. I think that’s going to make things even worse for everyone on earth.
imperialist BS, the US fucking over the globe for your benefit is good for you. the world stopping the US from fucking over the globe, which means it’ll just fuck over it’s people, is bad for you.
I’m not American.
I don’t think turning the US into an isolated pariah state will stop the US from fucking over the globe. Quite the contrary, I think it will just make it even worse. I don’t think there’s any situation in which a nation will “just fuck over it’s people” - we live in a globalized world, that’s a pipe dream.
I think accelerationism is a very privileged take. The first people to die will be the most vulnerable, which obviously must not be you, or you wouldn’t refer to them as “it’s people”.
How many times has the world intervened in US actions? Folly to think so cavalier. Also, backing the US into a more desperate state, than it is now, is frankly horrifying. Geopolitics are totally fucked.
better than enabling it and help it.
It’d be nice, but the US is way too involved in global trade to be brutally fucked with like that. It’s China, then the US. The US is currently bleeding like a stuck hog, but it can bleed a very, very long time.
Those are annual numbers.
TACO, so we’re looking at, what, a week?
Im sure china has something they can use
The upside is the orange demented man will change his mind about it next week.
Surely looking at the global economy through a western capitalist perspective is the answer.
I hope Carney builds up Canada’s Spain trade relationship more. It honestly seems like a pretty cool country. Middle power countries should just use Trumps various outbursts to excise the states if need be, and to support each other. Someone else noted that the US primary exports are fossil fuels and machinery – Canada’s already exporting a bunch of machinery that way, and clearly has some fossil fuels available.
He has not cut trade. He said he is going to cut trade.
This is important. He says a lot of shit, and it just goes no where. His absence though… They don’t read. They repeat and echo the headlines.
And unless he’s willing to cut all trade with the EU, he can’t. The EU’s unified trade policy says that you can only trade with one member on the same terms that you trade with all other members.
This is the “art of the deal” for a toddler who’s been accustomed to no one calling their bluff.
I just hope Spain doesn’t concede.
He’s going to tapas out
Trump should be pleased with Spain, they even named a military base after him:
“Trump’s comments came after the US relocated 15 aircraft, including refuelling tankers, from the Rota and Moron military bases in southern Spain after the country’s Socialist leadership said it would not allow them to be used to attack Iran.”
As a European, I feel that we are still tiptoeing around Trumps threats and perhaps need a catalyst to start our transition away from reliance upon the US. The UK had Brexit which was wholly dumb. However, Europe is so much more than just a tiny island
The MAGA fucks still fail to realize how important the US military installations in the EU are for their stupid military adventures. Spain is 100% correct and the rest of the EU members should do the same to bring the entire ill planned shitshow, created by Israel and the USA, to an abrupt end.
