Theologically speaking, it’s the opposite: nobody deserves mercy, but God gives it to them anyways. But you’d have to open a Bible to know that, which none of these ghouls have.
What an incredibly apathetic view. Do you dare not learn all you can with what miniscule time we have here? How much history, story, mythos, and philosophy do you miss out on? Are the Vedas treated with such blantant disregard? The Parthenon? Ted Lasso was right, it’s significantly better to be curious and not judgemental.
Well, I’m sorry you feel that way. Obviously, I feel differently. There’s so much to be said about the human experience and I feel religion and spirituality inherently play a large role in how the species has evolved recently and the understanding of those can expand one’s mind.
I’m most sorry that you felt the need to reply with the same superiority complex shared by the Western Christian Church. You clearly have been hurt by religious figures in some way, or else you wouldn’t harbour so much resentment and hatred. I want you to know, and I mean this with all sincerety, I love you.
“The one who loves all intensely begins perceiving in all living beings a part of himself. He becomes a lover of all, a part and parcel of the Universal Joy. He flows with the stream of happiness, and is enriched by each soul.”
Yeah it’s pretty sad to see comments such as this. It’s a terribly unpoetic way to live life, cutting themselves off from 90% of the intellectual discourse produced during humanity’s history :(
Yeah it’s pretty sad to see comments such as this. It’s a terribly unpoetic way to live life, cutting themselves off from 90% of the intellectual discourse produced during humanity’s history :(
bwahahaha you think religion represents 90% of the intellectual discourse?
you think religion represents 90% of the intellectual discourse?
No, i’m saying 90% of intellectual discourse is at least influenced by religion because it comes from people who are religious. Atheism being significant is a very modern phenomenon so if you’re going to study anything in history, philosophy, art or science, it’s gonna be full of religious people acting out their religious beliefs.
Even today something like 4 out of 5 people are religious, and most atheists are influenced by that common culture in some way. Dismissing the whole cultural reservoir as fairy tale is a terrible footgun, it can only make everything confusing. Everybody else is pulling from it and you refuse to even acknowledge it, that’s not gonna work.
You’re going to read poetry but it will make no sense and the climax won’t land because you can’t empathize with the religious sentiment. You’re going to read greek philosophy but it will feel drawn out and theoretical because you can’t empathize with the religious imperatives of the author. And i say this as a strict agnostic, i’m really not the kind of guy you’ll find in a church. But you can’t get to the meat of most intellectual discourse if you dismiss religion, just like you can’t get to the meat of most physics if you dismiss math.
No, i’m saying 90% of intellectual discourse is at least influenced by religion because it comes from people who are religious
why not suggest that all of intellectual discourse is influenced by primatism because it comes from people who are primates?
what a goofy argument.
and the idea that you posit atheists can’t enjoy poetry because the poetry relies on religious appreciation is hideous.
you religious nutbags will attempt to co-opt anything. it’s fucking gross. stop calling yourself an agnostic if you spout this shit, it’s like a nazi saying they’re strict socialists.
But you can’t get to the meat of most intellectual discourse if you dismiss religion, just like you can’t get to the meat of most physics if you dismiss math.
The point of Christianity is that if you can convince people that they shouldn’t expect any rewards until they die, you get a really compliant set of workers and soldiers who will let you impoverish and mistreat them because “the meek will inherit the earth.” You know, after your value has been fully extracted by the owners.
More broadly that’s the utility of all monotheism. It is extremely effective at uniting people but also teaches them to abide by an authoritarian hierarchical framework.
It is, if you actually believe in it. Unfortunately practically none of them actually do. And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus. It clearly would be. Does that mean Christianity isn’t full of issues? Nope. But it does mean that clearly we’d be better off if people treated each other as they wished to be treated themselves. And yes before the atheists say it, we ALL KNOW this idea is not unique to Christianity. But it’s kind of key to that religion for the small minority of Christians who actually give a shit about it.
And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus.
What a shallow caricature. I’ve never met an atheist who didn’t basically agree with the teachings of Jesus, even if they didn’t believe he existed. But I’ve met many Christians who seemed completely at odds with them.
What a shallow reading of my comment. This thread is full of people raging about Christianity being an evil cult. So I don’t really have to prove that point. Just about any thread on Lemmy where this comes up is the same.
Not long ago someone flipped out on me for making this point, accusing me of defending the church which I hadn’t done in any way. What usually is happening, when people disagree on this, is assumptions are being made about what each party believes. I am sure most atheists would agree with those teachings yes, but online if it comes up you’re either a brainwashed Christian or a hardcore atheist who hates Christianity. At least that’s how people think of each other. The nuance is erased, and it’s a damn shame.
If you consider the Inquisitor Cycle, people do not. Jesus took revenge after the Romans tried to kill him, and refused to die for anyone’s sins. Christianity is based on having no mercy whatsoever.
The problem is what parts you choose to read and focus on. Violent abusers are all about that old testament. The only good Samaritan to them is a dead one. They generally shun the new testament because that’s where all the namby pamby you are your brothers keeper stuff comes in.
Yep, even their Jesus is OT. A brutal conquering emperor. That would crush all who opposes him. Not a meek man generally preaching tolerance and sacrifice.
I thought the point of Christianity was that everyone deserves mercy?
There are many sects of “Christianity”. A flavor for every world view. These are Christian Nationalists. Their version of it has little to do with such woke things as “mercy”. It’s mostly an authoritarian view with a strict hierarchy.
Well, ya see, they’re morons. That’s why I sacrifice to Odin. You want no mercy? Pray to the guy who hung himself on a tree by choice, not the one who got his pacifist ass nailed to one by the authorities.
I thought the point of Christianity was that everyone deserves mercy?
Theologically speaking, it’s the opposite: nobody deserves mercy, but God gives it to them anyways. But you’d have to open a Bible to know that, which none of these ghouls have.
I thought that was no one deserves God’s mercy. Not that the mewling masses don’t deserve mercy from each other.
Are we really quibbling over the logic in a make-believe book about sky daddy?
What an incredibly apathetic view. Do you dare not learn all you can with what miniscule time we have here? How much history, story, mythos, and philosophy do you miss out on? Are the Vedas treated with such blantant disregard? The Parthenon? Ted Lasso was right, it’s significantly better to be curious and not judgemental.
in fact I do, which is why I don’t waste times on unprovable, untestable, pointless garbage that’s overwhelmingly been used to manipulate the species.
But have fun with your skycake.
Well, I’m sorry you feel that way. Obviously, I feel differently. There’s so much to be said about the human experience and I feel religion and spirituality inherently play a large role in how the species has evolved recently and the understanding of those can expand one’s mind.
I’m most sorry that you felt the need to reply with the same superiority complex shared by the Western Christian Church. You clearly have been hurt by religious figures in some way, or else you wouldn’t harbour so much resentment and hatred. I want you to know, and I mean this with all sincerety, I love you.
“The one who loves all intensely begins perceiving in all living beings a part of himself. He becomes a lover of all, a part and parcel of the Universal Joy. He flows with the stream of happiness, and is enriched by each soul.”
Yeah it’s pretty sad to see comments such as this. It’s a terribly unpoetic way to live life, cutting themselves off from 90% of the intellectual discourse produced during humanity’s history :(
bwahahaha you think religion represents 90% of the intellectual discourse?
ah jeeze that’s sad for you
No, i’m saying 90% of intellectual discourse is at least influenced by religion because it comes from people who are religious. Atheism being significant is a very modern phenomenon so if you’re going to study anything in history, philosophy, art or science, it’s gonna be full of religious people acting out their religious beliefs.
Even today something like 4 out of 5 people are religious, and most atheists are influenced by that common culture in some way. Dismissing the whole cultural reservoir as fairy tale is a terrible footgun, it can only make everything confusing. Everybody else is pulling from it and you refuse to even acknowledge it, that’s not gonna work.
You’re going to read poetry but it will make no sense and the climax won’t land because you can’t empathize with the religious sentiment. You’re going to read greek philosophy but it will feel drawn out and theoretical because you can’t empathize with the religious imperatives of the author. And i say this as a strict agnostic, i’m really not the kind of guy you’ll find in a church. But you can’t get to the meat of most intellectual discourse if you dismiss religion, just like you can’t get to the meat of most physics if you dismiss math.
why not suggest that all of intellectual discourse is influenced by primatism because it comes from people who are primates?
what a goofy argument.
and the idea that you posit atheists can’t enjoy poetry because the poetry relies on religious appreciation is hideous.
you religious nutbags will attempt to co-opt anything. it’s fucking gross. stop calling yourself an agnostic if you spout this shit, it’s like a nazi saying they’re strict socialists.
ridiculous.
Also, noone is given authority to mete out god’s judgement.
The point of Christianity is that if you can convince people that they shouldn’t expect any rewards until they die, you get a really compliant set of workers and soldiers who will let you impoverish and mistreat them because “the meek will inherit the earth.” You know, after your value has been fully extracted by the owners.
More broadly that’s the utility of all monotheism. It is extremely effective at uniting people but also teaches them to abide by an authoritarian hierarchical framework.
Not Nazi Christianity.
It is.
It is, if you actually believe in it. Unfortunately practically none of them actually do. And discouragingly, most atheists would love for you to believe that the world would be no better off if they actually believed in and followed the teachings of Jesus. It clearly would be. Does that mean Christianity isn’t full of issues? Nope. But it does mean that clearly we’d be better off if people treated each other as they wished to be treated themselves. And yes before the atheists say it, we ALL KNOW this idea is not unique to Christianity. But it’s kind of key to that religion for the small minority of Christians who actually give a shit about it.
What a shallow caricature. I’ve never met an atheist who didn’t basically agree with the teachings of Jesus, even if they didn’t believe he existed. But I’ve met many Christians who seemed completely at odds with them.
What a shallow reading of my comment. This thread is full of people raging about Christianity being an evil cult. So I don’t really have to prove that point. Just about any thread on Lemmy where this comes up is the same.
Not long ago someone flipped out on me for making this point, accusing me of defending the church which I hadn’t done in any way. What usually is happening, when people disagree on this, is assumptions are being made about what each party believes. I am sure most atheists would agree with those teachings yes, but online if it comes up you’re either a brainwashed Christian or a hardcore atheist who hates Christianity. At least that’s how people think of each other. The nuance is erased, and it’s a damn shame.
This is a Gnostic point of view, and Gnosticism is opposed by Christianity. The Christian view is to treat others how God wants you to treat them.
If you consider the Inquisitor Cycle, people do not. Jesus took revenge after the Romans tried to kill him, and refused to die for anyone’s sins. Christianity is based on having no mercy whatsoever.
Christianity is Cobra Kai???
Maybe Terry Silver.
Only for those who have actually read the book…
The problem is what parts you choose to read and focus on. Violent abusers are all about that old testament. The only good Samaritan to them is a dead one. They generally shun the new testament because that’s where all the namby pamby you are your brothers keeper stuff comes in.
Oh, the book is horrendous. Cannot recommend.
But the overarching story of this Jesus character they obsess over, I think that guy had something to say about mercy.
Yep, even their Jesus is OT. A brutal conquering emperor. That would crush all who opposes him. Not a meek man generally preaching tolerance and sacrifice.
I think a lot of them would love to be one of the Romans “helping out”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPQH0woWShA
There are many sects of “Christianity”. A flavor for every world view. These are Christian Nationalists. Their version of it has little to do with such woke things as “mercy”. It’s mostly an authoritarian view with a strict hierarchy.
You can’t get them with logic
“What’s the 5th commandment Pete?”
The Christian god is actually very wrathful and routinely causes death and suffering in the bible
Well, ya see, they’re morons. That’s why I sacrifice to Odin. You want no mercy? Pray to the guy who hung himself on a tree by choice, not the one who got his pacifist ass nailed to one by the authorities.