Let’s just declare victory after losing!
Reopening Strait of Hormuz Not Vital to Ending Iran War
Then may I ask what is exactly?
A secret third thing ;)
You won’t know secret third thing, it goes to another war in Canada.
You leave Canada out of this we’re doing our best to stay out ourselves
Is Trump going to say that Iran agreed to his terms without any proof? Is he going to bomb them again for not respecting the terms they agreed to in his mind?
Hes already done those. The next step is to impose his own blockade on the straight, and claim it doesnt matter what Iran does, America closed the straight until HIS demands are met!
You think presidents do this? Just go on Truth Social and post lies?
Since posts on Truth Social are per definition called “truths” (like “tweets”), I guess they are per definition not lies? Unimpeachable logic.
That’s been his MO every Monday for the past 4 Mondays
So let me get this straight: You went to war to make things worse?
Yeah, for MAGA, that tracks.
“The full reopening of the Strait is something the Administration is working towards, but the core objectives of the operation have been clearly defined for the American people by the Commander in Chief,” Leavitt said.
No the fuck they haven’t. He doesn’t even know himself other than whatever Israel said to do, otherwise they’ll release the videos of him raping children.
When those videos hit the web, everyone will know the people who supported him. We will never let them forget, nor will we let others be ignorant of what they did.
You know, I’m not even sure I’ve heard a straight line about what exactly they’re trying to do and what precipitated starting the war.
There’s been talk about wanting regime change and halting the Iranian nuclear program. But both of those things have been around for what, like 20 years? And the nuclear deal was being worked out over a decade age before trump threw a fit and ripped it up.
Most wars have a very clear “they did this to us so we have to do this to them in order to secure… blah blah blah.” But with Iran we didn’t really get that. I just woke up one day and the headlines were “surprise, he started another war in the Middle East, checkout this new TikTok trend”
At least bush had the intelligence to lie about WMDs. Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
Trump just threw a fit and seems hell bent on collapsing the global economy for no reason other than the US hasn’t been bombing as many brown people as it once did.
I don’t think it’s just because “brown people bad”. I think his goal is to crash the global economy so he and his buddies (controllers) such as Miller, Vought, Kevin Roberts, Thiel, Andreeson, Musk, aka the technofascists (a la Curtis Yarvin), can get their hands in the system from the ground up to extract even more value from everyone and further control pretty much all of society.
Sure they have - Baby gets what Baby wants. If baby wants the objectives of a war to be Iran sends him a cool fire truck to play with, that’s how he defines “winning” the war that day.
In this case it’s more “What Bibi wants, Bibi gets.”
Maybe he needs a 2nd gold-plated jumbo jet?
Retaining Saigon not vital to ending the Vietnam war.
This could literally be mentioned in the historical annals of idiotic military blunders in history.
Hey Republicans lurking on here, way to fucking go guys. You’re so fucking stupid that you collapsed our reputation in the world and now we’re a fucking laughing stock and because of your seemingly infinite level of abject idiocy, we now are legitimately in a national security crisis because of this wanton waste of our national defense assets.
Great fucking job, morons. Take a fucking bow.
Some have said that when this war is over, it will be a different world.
But that is not the whole truth, because it is already a different world. The image of the invincible US military is in ruins. This war with Iran can turn out to be nearly as disastrous for USA as the Russian war against Ukraine is to Russia.Zelenskyy has been on a charm tour to the Arab countries, and offered help to defend against the Iranian attacks, that USA has failed to defend against. And hopefully this will result in significant Arab investments in Ukrainian industries.
These investments are most likely to be drawn from US investments.
When the Ukraine war is over, Ukraine will very quickly become member of EU. And Ukraine will prosper fast with strong know how, and a strong will and help to rebuild after the war.
As a member of EU, the enormous goodwill and prestige Ukraine has earned, will benefit EU too. And EU will be stronger than ever.
While USA risk to lose the petro dollar because they fucked up in the middle east.USA is not losing the war in Iran, because it’s already lost. Unfortunately for USA, there is no graceful exit, so chances are that USA will escalate instead. But that will only make it worse for USA. With even more losses for USA in lives money and prestige.
The big immediate winner is of course China, but EU might actually also win from this in the long run. And the sure loser is USA.
Even Iran will benefit, the oil export sanctions against them have already been lifted, and they will keep control of the Hormuz strait.
A new deal between USA and Iran will be on Iranian terms not American.Funny how this was predicted 2 years ago?
China’s Nostradamus" Made 3 Trump Predictions In 2024. 2 Already Came True
The headline is misleading though, because USA has already lost the war, so all 3 came true.
I think this next century is going to be that of the middle powers.
Countries that are agile, looking to innovate and solve problems, and work towards equitable futures for everyone.
America is all in on oligarchy and the nouveau riche, and nothing else. There is zero investment in the common good and zero care for the nation as a whole.
I just hope the American super-capitalist model will be abandoned together with the authoritarian model of Russia.
And I actually see a path to that effect, question is if we (western democracies) will take it.So you want oligarchs to be in charge? Lmao that’s certainly a take.
“together with” (not “together, with”) means ze wants both to be done away with, not the former replaced with the latter
Yes obviously not wanting super-capitalism or authoritarianism means I want oligarchs?
That makes a lot of sense if you don’t think about it.I totally misread what you said. My bad man! I’m fighting pink eye right now so screens are hard. =-S
The fat old orange child molester will absolutely guarantee Iran has the bomb. Look ant North Korea. The US bombed it into oblivion and they took action so it would never happen again.
Allegedly the previous Ayatollah the USA killed was actually against Iran having nuclear weapons, as he considered it against the morals of Islam.
But I guess the next Ayatollah, will find a way to get around that.
And EU will be stronger than ever.
I doubt it. The EU faces the same fundamental problem as the US: Powerful, greedy and unresponsive elites unwilling to compromise with their subjects. I think we’re more likely to see an overall weaker and somehow even more dysfunctional EU with Ukraine as a counterbalance to its traditional Western and Northern European power base (assuming the EU doesn’t drop the ball on Ukrainian recovery like it repeatedly did on the war).
I disagree with everything you write.
We may also have a greedy elite, but the scale of the problem is way less than what it is in USA. They are both not as rich, and their power is way better regulated, for instance we don’t have the moronic super packs. With Russia collapsing and losing the war to Ukraine, EU countries that are acting in the interest of Russia, will be way less of a problem, and the traditional values of Democracy in EU will be reestablished.
I absolutely see Ukraine as less of a problem in EU than UK used to be. EU may need to be reformed to manage the big number of member states better. But EU has proven able to act when necessary during the Ukraine war. This is the opposite of dysfunctional despite countries like Hungary and Slovakia that are serving Russian interests.
Also around the world the respect for EU is increasing, and acknowledgement of how EU works for international law, is recognized as being different from USA, where previously we were seen as an American puppet, EU is making itself more independent of USA, and we are distancing ourselves from USA way more than at any point since WW2.This will pave the way for way bigger international recognition and cooperation, and make EU stronger both internally and in outside relations. EU is built on cooperation that benefit us all, this is both among the member countries, and with EU allies and trading partners.
I’m not saying we will surpass China, but we can work with China on a reasonably level playing field, and the same with USA, where USA used to dominate, that domination will soon be over if it isn’t already.
Quick note, petroleum sanctions on Iran from the US are not lifted - the only thing permitted is to buy the barrels now at sea, i.e., from the dark fleet. Same deal with Russia.
OK that is probably true, it rings a bell.
But it still sounds a bit like a partial lift of sanctions, which for Iran is still better than before the war.
On a side note, it is not impossible that it will be extended. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Asian countries begin to pick up oil directly from Iran, and ignore USA. USA has created an impossible situation for many countries, there are already rations in some countries.
Will USA then threaten those countries? Thailand, Philippines, Japan, China.I think internationally Iran is in a better position now than before the war.
The US was the laughing stock of the world long before this “war”.
It was a hard job to top all the pointless republican war blunders of the past, but the orange clown managed to achieve this historical feat. Well done
I think the death count for the second Iraq war is higher, not to mention being responsible for creating ISIS.
so far, really early days yet
That is totally fair. Normalizing political assassinations and kidnappings will probably have a big impact in the future also, although I’m not sure what that will be exactly.
Political assassinations and kidnappings aren’t any more normal than they were two years ago; Trump is just more blatant about it. I mean when Western countries overthrow this or that regime, they don’t exactly give the old regime flowers. Not that they didn’t deserve it, but Saddam Hussein for example was executed after a show trial by American-appointed judges and Gaddafi was killed as a direct consequence of NATO bombings after his Western-backed overthrow.
The MAGA US needs to lose this one.
Trump already has lost. There’s a Khomeni in charge of the country who is even more hardline than the last with a long queue of replacements should he get killed, they’ve not surrendered, they’re not negotiating and they’re only letting through ships they choose to. They’re still firing missiles at every Arab nation with a US base in it as well as at Israel. They’re still selling their oil. And now the Iran supported Houtis in Yemen have kicked off too, also lobbing missiles at Israel and threatening closing off the Bab al Mandab Strait which is the access to the Red Sea that’ll cut off access to the western oil pipelines Saudi Arabia has.
5D chess. It’s all part of the plan. . . or something. Oh look - a scary immigrant!
Done and done. This was admitting defeat.
Hijacking comment to point out that both posters of negative scored comments are 12-13 days old and one of them has a gibberish username. Downvote and move on.
What does that even mean? The world economy, you and me and other innocent people, wants and needs the strait to be open.
i don’t want or need the strait open. i need trump in jail (or a coffin).
You don’t need to eat food which needs fertilizer? Or you don’t care if your food costs more, because the fertilizer transit had to pay Iran a toll?
And even if you don’t personally care about yourself, you don’t care about the poor indian worker, who pay a significant part of his income for food?
i care about the poor indian worker. i didn’t start a was that would INEVITABLY cause an oil crisis. if trump gets away with iran, he will fucking do this again and again and again. the poor indian worker will be hurt by trump’s greed and stupidity this war, and the next war, and the next war. that, or we do something about trump. when trump’s a corpse and his admin is in jail, the strait will open the same day
when trump’s a corpse and his admin is in jail, the strait will open the same day
So you think that the terrorist mullahs Iran are just the nicest of people, who don’t care about the $billions of revenue from strait tolls, but just want Trump gone to help the world?
Iran didn’t start the war. Any benefits Iran is currently getting are a result of US initiative.
Iran is stealing money from third parties, if Iran is going to toll all ships. There is no moral argument for Iran’s actions here. “US was mean to me” is not an excuse for Iran to be mean to other people.
Do i think iranian mullahs are nice people? Nope, i’m not an idiot. However, the strait was open before trump attacked. When the USA is no longer at war with iran, Iran will have no reason to continue attacking shipping. Iran wanted to make a deal: no nuclear weapons in exchange for lifting sanctions. In fact, that exact deal once existed: it was enacted by Obama. Trump, the incompetent fucking idiot, tore it up. Iran was trying to make another deal when America’s talking asshole ordered the attack. Let shit-for-brains wear this one: the Iran war is all on Trump.
Get out fed
The straight being open is not mutually exclusive to the US and Israel being defeated. It just means that they tuck tail and accept that in the new order they created Iran has veto power over the straight so they need to stop fucking with it.
TACO Trump Tuesday strikes again. Trump makes threats, those he’s threatening laugh at him, mock him and ignore the deadline, Trump chickens out and tries to make up something else to hide the fact he’s failed.
Taco is the dumbest shit I think I’ve seen being pushed as a nick name for him. It’s the cringest most forced bot phrase, of the last decade. I don’t think I can handle being on the planet and reading this garbage anymore.
Like do people think it’s clever, saying the same thing over and over and over and seeing it over and over and over. Is it supposed to be funny?
Pointing out that Trump has no conviction to follow through on anything (Trump Always Chickens Out: TACO) and the irony that’s it’s a taco, from the cuisine of his favorite hated minority, makes it a perfect nickname.
Either a psyop to antagonize the pedo, or a bougi put of touch 70 year old from New Hampshire came up with it. Regardless it’s cringe.
It’s a great indicator that someone is serially online and rarely talks to others. At one of the protests I went to I brought a TACO themed sign and nobody got it. I had to answer “what does that mean?” sooo many times.
Well, why did you do it?
What are you saying he’s backing out of? do you want him to follow through on all the weird shit he says? Would that be better to you?
It sounds like it’s a far right psyop- “the libs are calling you a weak scared chicken wimp, show them you’re not.” Is the point to antagonize the old demented man?
It is a fact. He never follows through. It’s not a message for him, he literally doesn’t think about what other people say because he’s a narcissist. It’s a message for all the MAGA dorks who think they are so tough with a tough guy leader. It’s pointing out just how weak and pathetic they truly are when challenged in any way.
As for why I made the sign, I’ve made a lot of signs and I only have so many ideas lol.
Gotcha
I think it’s more a finance bro psyop… “Don’t worry about the shit he’s doing, just keep investing, he’ll give up anyway”
If you spend billions and end up with that path blocked, I don’t think you can say you “won”.
Of course you can finish the war capitulating or losing too.
I’m starting to think either Trump or his acolytes don’t really think.
you can say you “won”.
He didn’t say it, he declared it!
We did it!
Let’s celebrate at Epstein’s… Oh wait
These are virtuosically ignorant people who literally think the Truth is simply what they declare it to be, no matter how delusional that truth is to everybody else in the world.
This “Trump” fellow may not be the genius he purports to be
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He really doesnt understand the global markets are interconnected and prices rising on inputs to American products due to logistics costs are the least of our worries.
He really doesnt understand
ima stop you there only because anything after is extraneous. ;-)
Dumbest student in business school, waddaya expect?
Cool we’ve entered the, “I don’t want it anyway” phase of this bullshit. not sure where this places us in the timeline, but we all know the last step is hyping the massive victory of fixing the problem created by the administration.
The Narcissist’s Prayer:
That didn’t happen.
And if it did, it wasn’t that bad.
And if it was, that’s not a big deal. <-- We are here
And if it is, that’s not my fault.
And if it was, I didn’t mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.We’ll move on to the next step once he figures out who to pin the blame on for this. I am guessing he can’t throw Vance under the bus for it since he’s probably on record for saying it was a bad idea. Miller or Hegseth maybe?
I also don’t see a drawdown happening any time soon, but the market manipulation will continue to work for as long as wall street is willing to kick the football. Not that I care what happens to the fat cats, but my 401k portfolio is not looking great right now either.
I am guessing he can’t throw Vance under the bus for it since he’s probably on record for saying it was a bad idea. Miller or Hegseth maybe?
As far as I can tell, Trump’s mental decline is so advanced that he can no longer create coherent lies. Some of the messaging around the Iran was has been mindbogglingly and transparently stupid.
So I don’t think Trump will be limited by small details like blaming someone who is “on record for saying it was a bad idea”.
The guy throwing military parades for himself capitulates and leaves Europe to clean up the mess. Much Wow
Right, right… Now, about all that child rape…
Hit 'em with the “you’re still talking about that?”
“uhhhh…ummmmm…well…ya see like I said I can take Cuba. I think they will let me.”
Leavitt signaled that Trump may achieve those objectives by mid-April. “The Pentagon has always stated four to six weeks as an estimated timeline for Operation Epic Fury,” Leavitt said in the White House briefing room. “We’re on day 30 today—you do the math.”
My math says it’s taking y’all a lot longer than you fooled yourselves into thinking.
In May: … was always a 6 month timeline for Operation [
Epstein Files] Epic FuryHang on, I can’t; I’m busy trying to solve another math problem.
Can anyone tell me what 3 – 1496 is? I’m really bogged down on this one.
-1493. Why? Counting vodka bottles?
