Jacob Chansley, sentenced to three years for his role in the Capitol riots, will run as a libertarian in Arizona.

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        Libertarians are even worse, they are like anarchist Republicans. Slamming two dumb political ideas into one really dumb political idea and acting like they are very smart about it.

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          Republicans have to deal with being constantly proven wrong on everything, but Libertarians enjoy that their fantasy ideology will never be tested in the real world. That makes them feel immune to obvious criticisms, and therefore “very smart.”

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            They did test it and it failed completely. A book was written about it. A libertarian walks into a bear. So you can point and laugh at libertarians any time you want

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    Gee, let me think about it. According to this article he may be uniquely suited to run as a Republican.

    In an interview, defense lawyer Albert Watkins said that officials at the federal Bureau of Prisons, or BOP, have diagnosed his client Jacob Chansley with transient schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, depression and anxiety.

    If you throw in a low IQ, he’ll do well with Republican voters.

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    In 2016, the libertarian convention had a guy strip to his underwear on stage. At the convention debate, one of the candidates was boo’d for saying you shouldn’t be able to sell heroin to five year olds.

    The QAnon Shaman isn’t the craziest thing in the Libertarian Party. They are not serious people.

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      If you’re part of an insurrection, you shouldn’t be able to run for any public office anywhere.

      If Germany would have had this same rule/law the whole world in this timeline would look completely different.

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        Hey look, you could theoretically identify as an anarchist, and have constructive ideas about how a government system could be improved

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              It will probably ultimately depend on whether or not the Supreme Court decides to uphold the 14th amendment of the Constitution. The lower courts are slowly working their way towards bringing that question to the Supreme Court as it relates to Trump.

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          Can you point out exactly what makes him ineligible? Even if everyone agreed that it was an insurrection, point out where it would bar him.

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            You bring up an interesting point, and I’ll admit I am not a constitutional lawyer. But section 3 of the 14th amendment says that hey couldn’t have sworn to uphold the Constitution prior to attempting insurrection. Thats how they are framing it for Trump too because he swore to uphold the Constitution when he came into office. I don’t know if Chansley had done the same or if that would make a difference.

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            Can’t work from home when that home is a federal prison.

            He was sentenced for 3 years. (Which is a joke, but that’s besides the point.)

            And he’s ex military which means the 14th applies

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        No. He’s ex-military, 14th amendment applies.

        No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same…

        He took an oath as a member of the military, he also took part in insurrection.

        From the court documents:

        The crimes charged in the indictment involve active participation in an insurrection attempting to violently overthrow the United States Government. By Chansley’s own admissions to the FBI and news media, the insurrection is still in progress and he intends to continue participating.

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          You and I might agree that it applies, but how much do you want to bet that some Trump appointed judges decide that it doesn’t apply and kill any effort to remove him from the ballot?

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          Ya’ll keep saying these things like I don’t already know, but regardless of what the 14th amendment says, or his military background, ultimately that determination will be made by a court decision, because if nothing else he will sue the state if they choose to take him off the ballot. I didn’t make the rules, or the legal system.

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        While obviously Chansley deserves to face punishment for his crimes, let’s not pretend that it wasn’t an obscenity that Eugene Debs had to run for office from prison for suggesting that the US had no business throwing lives away in the trenches of World War I

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      As much as I want to say no, to my knowledge he technically hadn’t “previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States” so I think he’d be eligible under Amendment 14, Section 3, article 1… quoted here in full:

      Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3:

      No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

      Though, he had previously been in the US Navy, and the Navy oath of enlistment begins "“I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic…,” he was not even an officer in the Navy let alone in a legislative, executive or judicial branch position.

      Pretty sure he would be eligible to run this time, whereas trump would not.

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    This guy is t elligible…. Trump might be able to weasel it, but this guy was an insurrectionist through and through.

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      For all his flaws, Camacho at least tried to enlist the help of, and listen to, people he knew were smarter than him. And at the end of the day, he tried to help his people.

      This guy just wants to play dress up and smear shit on the walls.

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    He’d best have a good security detail. If anything goes awry, a bunch of Leftists are going to be peacefully asking him pointed questions that might make him uncomfortable.

    If you’re assuaged to believe that winning means everything, I can’t speak for you. It assumes that you start and stay on the same side of any moral argument and you have to fight for it to the end regardless of if new evidence nullifies your opinion.

    That’s not how humans understand each-other. Humans garner nuance and discern things in new and meaningful ways over time and social interaction. We understand others - people that we can identify with in profound ways even if they don’t necessarily share our point of view.

    I would give him a moment of our time - maybe 30 seconds if he doesn’t state one of the over-used vitriolic statements on the Bingo cards that I will be handing out now.