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No, Reddit 10 years ago was the kind of place where people who knew things would correct people who didn’t.
Pretty much all social media today, including Lemmy, are now places where people who don’t know things correct people who do.
Are you sure it isn’t just a case of you having seen it a thousand time now and can spot bullshitters and couldn’t do it a decade ago?
No. I used to abuse Cunningham’s Law liberally. It’s become next to worthless these days.
Edit: Literally here’s an example of people down voting and trying to correct true information: https://lemmy.world/comment/10376712
It still works in highly technical areas.
Or if you’re a machinist someone will tell you the right way to do something as soon as they see you have the material. By the time you have it in the machine 6 other guys will have told you the right way to do it in six wildly different ways. Someone will suggest Vaseline instead of coolant. Someone will start bitching about Haas. Someone will insist that it’s only possible with thru spindle coolant, regardless of depth. None of which matters because your code won’t post to the 40 year old 3 axis mill you’re using and the engineer gave you a print with impossible geometry anyway. GEE I DON’T KNOW TERRY DO YOU THINK THIS HUNK OF STEEL LOOKS LIKE YOUR PART YET
Anyway my point is sometimes there’s more than one right answer, even if everyone says they have the one right answer.
Sometimes technical specifications limit you to a specific set of right answers, but the right answers you get are for different set ups entirely.
and sometimes, the circumstances surrounding your failure were given to you by the engineer in a state that was destined to fail, whether they knew it or not.
The internet as a whole was so much better for this.
Free speech and exchanging of idea and views was great. Most of my time on YouTube was spent looking at out and out discussions, back and forth, about religion. Which seeing as I went to a religious school I didn’t really have anyone to talk to that was very helpful for me.
Now people come to a conclusion and stick with it. But they also get encouraged by people doing exactly the same upvoting their view and down voting others. Evidence doesn’t matter. Reddit and redditors used to encourage upvoting alternative opinions.
People are going so far as to want certain views banned just because it isn’t their view. It’s scary how much people want to be restricted. Reddit used to be great for free speech but now its terrible. I was hoping Lemmy would, by it’s federated nature, be an exchange of different ideas and views but if anything it is a lot worse. (I actually find the mods to largely be okay. But the people are terrible, worse than reddit is at this moment it time)
So no Lemmy is nothing like reddit of old at all. I’d love to go back to reddit from 10 years ago.
Well said on all counts.
Reddit was never perfect, but in my 12+ years there, it was never as bad as Lemmy has been the entire time I’ve been here.
Basically I’m only still active here because Reddit’s mobile app is such trash and Lemmy is more convenient to browse from a phone.
I was hoping that by being such a small and growing community I could help influence it’s growth.
But watching how incorrect things about economy/business are upvoted, I’m getting sick of being down voted for having an economics degree and attempting to share some knowledge.
For me its the growing extremist stances and ragebait articles, now that its got more users, the horrendous lack of moderation is starting to show
It’s a 50/50 chance that something I post gets downvoted to hell and it doesn’t seem to matter what I actually said.
On the bright side, I’ve seen more posts calling it out lately, so maybe things can start to turn around.
Yeah, my main sub I participated in back on Reddit was /r/AcademicBiblical (also went to a religious-ish school growing up).
There’s nothing like that sub here, and honestly even the sub itself isn’t quite what it used to be when I pop back over to look in from time to time.
The web is just a different sort of place from what it used to be.
You couldn’t be more wrong you stupid idiot. /s
t. someone that doesn’t know anything that gets corrected all the time.
No, absolutely not. Lemmy is held together by “it’s not Reddit” while Reddit was “here’s this cool stuff!”
Close…but no.
Reddit was good for some fresh content, but a decade ago it was still a lot of bots and karma whoring taking over, reposts, and people falling over themselves to be the first to make the flippant quips that got all the upvotes on any topic. Reddit still did have all the nsfw/nsfl subs then, so there was still a little Wild West left in it.
That said, Reddit very much still had a community feel to it a decade ago. IMO that’s completely gone in all but the niche subs that are there specifically for the community. You don’t get to have conversations there much anymore. It’s usually someone deriding you pretty quickly when they disagree, and the downvote button is the first thing hit.
Lemmy is IMO still trying to settle on what it actually is. I think it’s better than Reddit was a decade ago because people are more inclined to converse than quip (though that very much does happen) but the low hanging fruit comment doesn’t always get the most upvotes, which is really nice. I enjoy that the fediverse is a group of connected communities rather than a bunch of communities all under one roof like Reddit - but I guess that’s the point, isn’t it?
Lemmy’s far smaller than Reddit was 10 or even 15 years ago.
There are some good foundations in place, but there’s a loonnnggg way to go before we’re seeing platform maturity.
There’s no jailbait, no upskirts, no fatpeoplehate, so Lemmy is still better
Right why would we want to be that
no upskirts 🤣
you must have NSFW filtered.
There was a subreddit where people took upskirt creep pics of random women, not models. If that’s happening somewhere on Lemmy I hope our instance is
federateddefederated with it. Porn is one thing but that was awful.Edit: Goddamn spell check makes me sound like a fucking scumbag
Don’t forget about all the gore subreddits like /r/WatchPeopleDie
I miss those. And eyeblech. I wish Lemmy had some of those.
I used to be against those, but then it kind of shifted for me with all the cartel videos. It brought to life the horrors of what they are doing to normal people.
While it’s not for everyone, that stuff does have its place. Reddit banning all those subs when the Christchurch shooting happened was stupid.
That was banned a while ago.
To be fair, we’re talking about Reddit ten years ago.
And when that was banned, we got eyeblech and NSFL__
https://lemmy.world/c/upskirtbabes
Someone made this and apparently abandoned it.
Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn’t work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !upskirtbabes@lemmy.world
Wow, I was there for the others but I wasn’t aware of an upskirt trend. If it’s what it sounds like, seems like a crime
“Consent” was not a popular topic on early Reddit. Or the internet writ large, I guess.
I think it got banned around the same time as the jailbait sub. Reddit was and is a cesspool
I miss fatpeoplehate.
No. I’d say the whole internet felt different 10+ years ago. Including this, what people are on here and how they behave. And I’d day the average intellect is different. But that could also be me growing up.
It’s different but the same. We used to get hit by the conservative bury brigades. Now, we get people actually trying to steer the narrative with somewhat thoughtful bad faith arguments.
It’s far more insidious now, and takes vigilance to shut down.
I don’t remember that many political arguments. At least not this way conservative<->progressive. I remember them mostly from the comment section of news articles and YouTube videos (since YT has been a thing) and of course Twitter. But less so from dedicated discussion places like forums and such. But my perspective is probably skewed. I wasn’t really part of early Reddit. And I’m not American and we have/had different discussions here. Well… Maybe I wasn’t that interested in political discussions on the internet when I was young(er). But the places I used to frequent were more focused on specific topics, technology and not about ideology (apart from free software ideology.)
But trolling, flaming, baiting etc has been part of internet culture for a long time. I don’t remember how they called brigading before Reddit. I think that is a term I learned in the last few years.
I really enjoyed various communities on usenet. But most of my favouites moved to FB and usenet is now a cesspit of spam. I learned a hell of lot from alt.solar.pv and alt.energy.renewable, and made some great connections via aus.motorcycles. But I wouldn’t bother going there today, even in one of the few remaining feeds.
I feel like Lemmy has WAY more crazy political views, like extreme leftist and BoTh SiDeS people. That’s probably more of a symptom of Russian propoganda across the wider Internet that wasn’t as prevalent 10+ years ago.
We barely talked about politics at all back when the great Digg migration happened. People were interested in far more fun things back then.
Hmmmm, I remember heaps of people being into Ron Paul because he wanted to legalise weed, and Bernie is a perennial favourite
a symptom of Russian propogandm
There it is. All you needy to say really.
This also depends on what instances your instance federates with though. You could go to an instance that defederates from the more politically extreme instances.
I think it also depends on what communities you interact with.
I got fed up with it in the Lemmy.world news community and unsubscribed. I’ve been much happier following that change.
There are still some leftist and both sides hot takes I run into … but it’s a much more acceptable pacing now.
TIL that egalitarianism and saving humanity from unrestrained capitalism is extremely left.
I wonder how the shift from Reddit to Lemmy compares to the shift from Digg to Reddit.
Lemmy has a much smaller user base
I forgot about Digg. Whatever happened to it?
They forced a UI change that everyone hated, so everyone fled to reddit, thus crowning Steve Huffman, a dirty little piss boy.
They had a site redesign to garner more monetization.
They also had power users who dominated post and drove the control of conversation. (MrBabyMan?)
The redesign elevated paid advertisers to the front page, masquerading as real articles.
Suddenly 1/4th of the top content was fluff articles not very subtly advertising shit
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Never will be what Reddit was or is, because it’s based on federation and defederation.
yup. helps that there’s no spez and no r/jailbait too
I did miss the original dark humor of r/imgoingtohellforthis, before it turned into people just posting outright racist and homophobic garbage.
We need a new meme style to explode and the small communities to grow, then we’d be there.
Pretty much. At least Lemmy is a lot more like Reddit was when I started on Reddit (~2015), than Reddit is now.
The humor reminds me of early reddit. Very needy. Lots of Star Trek, Stargate and Linux. Of course there are a lot of differences too, but it does feel a little closer to the original techie reddit base.
*15+ years ago
Yes, but now with more unhinged troglodyte authoritarian moderators.
Oh how history has been white washed. Lemmy isn’t perfect. But reddit never was either.
You feel like there are more power tripping moderators here?
I feel like Lemmy has been pretty chill. Most communities are small enough they’re just happy to have some kind engagement. They haven’t been deleting my post because my title wasn’t formatted correctly or because it didn’t perfectly fit one ultra-specific niche
Kind of. Reddit 15+ years ago still had a larger user base than Lemmy did, but it feels kind of close to how Reddit did back then. Lemmy still needs some work, it has a long way to go, but I do like it so far.
Reddit didn’t have the communism and far left propaganda that lemmy has, so it’ll be an uphill battle to clean that shit up enough to get lemmy even remotely close to where Reddit was 10 years ago.
It’s so fascinating, how some people create their own narrative, in their echochamber of a head, and then project it onto everyone else.
Please go touch some grass
That’s part of the reason I am here. You could just go to some place like Exploding-Heads but there’s a reason so many instances defederate from them
Incredible what it looks like outside your bubble huh? Lemmy has different instances so everyone can build a community without nearly as much potential censorship like Reddit. This is the community that naturally formed, so maybe what you call “far left propaganda” the rest of the world calls “normal”
Naaah… that’s not it. Lemmy is just as susceptible to propaganda as Reddit ever was. And if you think there isn’t outside influence happening here, you’re as blind as they get, or part of it.
The rest of the world doesn’t call shouting at people to not vote during elections “normal-“ yet is all over lemmy.
So, let’s not define normal by what we want to see. Mmmkay?
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Found the Hexbear instance user.
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Cool story. Found the troll that has nothing to add to the discussion aside from snarky insults.
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The crowd here is kinda weird. But I like em for their humor so far.
