Some Republicans are starting to seriously regret Donald Trump’s vice presidential nominee, Ohio Senator J.D. Vance.

It’s been only one week since Vance was nominated at the Republican National Convention, and already his own party members are expressing severe doubts about Trump’s pick. The former president’s allies have acknowledged that nominating Vance was the product of Trump’s absolute certainty that he would be able to defeat Joe Biden in November. While Vance wouldn’t do much for swing voters or independents, he would likely shore up support among Trump’s base.

But ever since Biden passed the torch to Vice President Kamala Harris, the Democratic Party’s new presumptive nominee, Republicans have begun to sour on Vance.

“The road got a lot harder. He was the only pick that wasn’t the safe pick. And I think everyone has now realized that,” one House Republican told Axios Thursday, under the condition of anonymity.

Another House Republican told Axios that Vance “doesn’t add much.”

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    Vance has been so embroiled in gaffes, he hasn’t even really gotten to expound on any of his “new right” ideas, such as his phony brand of conservative economic populism, or creepy pronatalism, or terrifying techo-authoritarianism.

    Trump’s campaign, however, released a statement doubling down on the former president’s increasingly unpopular pick.

    “President Trump is thrilled with the choice he made with Senator Vance, and they are the perfect team to take back the White House,” said campaign spokesman Steven Cheung, according to Axios.

    Phony, creepy, terrifying.

    And Steven Cheung, you need to understand nobody represents trump who doesn’t get shit on. Just saying. It’s your future. Hopefully you can represent yourself at trial.

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      There must be a correlation with how hard campaigns double down and how close they are to actually reversing course.

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        There is. The more they stumble, the more they are questioned. The answers to the question cannot be anything but utmost certainty because “maybe” is simply not a message that sways anyone.

        Pretty answers don’t change reality though, so the stumbles continue or even increase leading to more questions and the doubling down. You just can’t do anything else unless you’re ready to commit to another answer.

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        Careful - you’re assigning reason, or at least logic, to the party of pizzagate, trump, a stupid failed coup, and drinking bleach.

        History teaches us this is where logic and reason come to die.

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    They needed a running mate with a name similar to Pence so that Demented Donald could remember it.

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      I do outside sales in Ohio and I’m on the road a lot

      The amount of people who have Trump / Pence signs and have put white tape over the P and E to make a V and A is … Surreal. Like why do you still have signs from an election 8 years ago? Their house is probably full of cats and hoard and bugs. Can’t wait to get updated signs?

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    I love that there’s literally a video of Vance calling Trump a horrible person and they still picked him. Plus the whole couch-fucking thing. Good stuff.

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      A meme in our last local election for governor was, “Mark Ronchetti Fucks Dogs. Bad for dogs, bad for New Mexico.”

      It was hugely successful. He was actively being cyber bullied on Twitter.

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      And for what he did to her favorite sofa. He even took off the plastic cover - just raw digging it with no protection.

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    Really feels like Vance is being set up as the fall guy to blame when trump loses.

    “If he had just picked someone else as VP, he would’ve won!” -conservatives in five months

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      Vance brings no new votes to the table. He is really just there because Peter Thiel agreed to donate to the campaign if Trump made him VP. When Biden was still in, the GOP believed that the election was as good as won so they didn’t believe they need to appeal to anyone else. Now that Kamala is running, the initial reaction and polling is showing that this race isn’t going to be easy for the GOP and Vance looks like a shitty pick.

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        I must say that after many grueling and sometimes flat out boring and repetitive episodes, the USA show sure surprised us with this new twist.

        I love it!

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      Don’t worry, the qons will always find a cop-out. This is the bunch that were suddenly full of “independents” who never even heard of this W guy after Iraq was so obviously a gigantic clusterfuck and who never even heard of this Romney guy after he got spanked by a Blah guy.

      No, these people were suddenly teabaggers that were deep into this “tea party” that never was a thing before being made a thing by Faux and friends. Also, don’t call them “teabaggers”, they never, ever used that term for themselves (and don’t go looking around for any proof of this or anything. Just believe the teabaggers, er, I mean the “tea party members” of this so-called truth).

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      No I think Trump and team figured they had this in the bag and no need to pick anyone else that could appeal to the normies. They are all in on MAGA and gods willing it explodes in their faves

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      And JD Vance has earned all the hate MAGA is going to send his way. Bending the knee may give short term gain, but it will ultimately ruin your life and legacy, like a whole list of these lifelong Republicans. The Lindsay Graham’s and Ted Cruz’s who took Trump’s abuse and just cowered like the pathetic people they are.

      MAGA will be in the history books beside the confederates as the traitor party.

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      When Trump loses, what’s the worse that can happen to JD Vance?

      It’s not like Trump is going to send a mob to kill his vice president running mate. Oh wait.

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      It’s amusing you think Republicans will do anything but say the election was stolen by the left.

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        Yeah, it’s actually not possible for me to imagine Republicans losing the presidency again without claiming fraud. Even if saying that directly stops playing as well, they will just move onto softer language about it. Like when they went from being directly racist to claiming all problems are certain immigrants’ fault.

        They will “just ask questions” about particular states’ results. I don’t think we will come back from that. It may even bleed over to Democrats saying it eventually, just because it’s so established in the zeitgeist that it’s possible, some lesser thinking Dems may run with it.

        Notice how none of them hesitate to do this shit now. It’s because they’ve started to internalize that democracy is bad because it doesn’t give their party the advantages they feel entitled to.

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      Bold of you to assume they’re ever going to admit having lost. How else will they rationalize another attempted coup?

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      Really feels like Vance is being set up as the fall guy to blame when trump loses.

      He was the bag man for Cryptobros. Trump puts him on the ticket and the money flows into the Trump campaign.

      Now it’s looking like a raw deal, as Trump has to spend all that new money defending his hideous little troll of a VP.

      “If he had just picked someone else as VP, he would’ve won!” -conservatives in five months

      Missed a perfectly good opportunity to run a horny VP like Kristi Noem or Laura Boebert or Hope Hicks.

      Still would have lost, but at least we wouldn’t need Vance’s mug all over the TV.

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    I really think the won’t be happy with anyone for too long. That’s the problem with a cult.

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      Any second-in-command that was actually popular would be a threat to Trump, so that cannot be tolerated. He’s got to find an uncharismatic sycophant smart enough to help him purge enemies, yet dumb enough to be incapable of plotting against him himself.

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    "Vance does worse in his home region at -16 points than he does in the average of all polls… So the people who know him best, the region that knows him best, they like him even less than America likes him.”

    — Polling analyst Harry Enten, on CNN

    Plus, betting markets have opened up on if he’ll be retained on the ticket.

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    I mean, his last VP pick had lightning powers. This one fucks couches. That’s a hell of a downgrade.

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        There were a lot of memes involving mike pence having lightning powers, and often fighting anything gay with electricity. IIRC this all came from him allegedly advocating for electroshock therapy as a method of conversion therapy (which snopes said is false, and that’s as much research as I’m putting into a tangent on meme history)

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          oh… yeah; just never heard conversion therapy described as “lightning powers”…

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      Well…if he’s fucking hard enough maybe he can generate some static discharge.

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        There was a made-up rumor that his book has an excerpt about fucking a couch…But the memes have been fire so no one cares that it’s false. He’s now a couch fucker.

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            I mean we can’t prove that he hasn’t fucked a couch. If they can believe dumb shit like pizzagate, qanon and the stuff that comes out of Trump’s mouth we can keep the couch fucker memes going for the lolz.

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                Some really smart and honest guy, this guy, he’s smart, and he’s really honest, you know, he told me personally ok, me ok, he said that this couch fucker was also a goat fucker. I have to believe it, i was told it, by a really really smart guy

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          You can build a million bridges, but you fuck one single couch, no one calls you a bridge builder.

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      No, we’!re talking about the asshole who has plenty of real things to criticize without lowering ourselves to Republican-level antics by repeating random lies from some idiot’s Twitter account.

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      I think he’s a natural pairing with Donald Trump, the philanderer. They can bring one girl back home without it getting “weird.”

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      i adore that he will live out the rest of his days being known as j.d. the couch fucking mascara muffin man vance

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          your cause is noble, but the outrage over mascara man vance bashing is misguided. “punching down” is insulting race, sexuality, gender, disability, and any other thing that no one chooses for themselves*. makeup is 100% a choice, for everyone. in vance’s example it’s a ridiculous choice, given the requisite strictly defined GOP persona of the “manly man,” which obviously doesn’t involve men wearing makeup. so vance will be mocked for it.

          where’s the outrage over making fun of trump’s orange spray tan? guliani’s hair dye leaking forehead?

          and if you’re going to bring “gendered insult” into the conversation, then exactly who is arguing under the flawed premise that mascara is just for women, if not the person calling the insult gendered?

          don’t worry, i make fun of many, many choices people make, from cartoonishly huge pickup trucks, to cargo shorts

          *edit: apparently “punching down” is generally defined to mean attacking people ‘less powerful’ than yourself. i’m still including unchosen circumstances in my usage

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              LOL it’s not just me. how many women do you know who don’t think cargo shorts make us look like clowns?

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                They stop laughing when I pull an entire Chinese dinner for five out of those cargo shorts. Y’all sneak in your candy to the movies. I’ll do it my way.

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                That’s just anger and jealousy because the fashion industry takes all the pockets from women’s clothes so that there will be enough for men’s cargo shorts. I mean, I get that, and it doesn’t seem fair, but I’m not giving up all the pockets.

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                  anger and jealousy because the fashion industry

                  which is completely justified. women get attacked for not looking perfect 100% of the time, not wearing makeup, not shaving their entire body, AND can’t find any clothes that have a single functional pocket. and god forbid a gray hair shows up

                  meanwhile, i’m applauded for not giving a rat’s ass what i look like, shaving zero square inches of any part of my body, and i have the option of clothes with ridiculous numbers of pockets. which IS an option because we don’t have to worry about being attacked for not caring what anyone thinks

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                My mom says they make me look handsome and agrees that it’s neat that I can carry all the sticks and rocks we find at the park!

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            I feel like there’s only a handful of people in the world who can “punch down” at a US senator currently running for vice president. I don’t think any of them are hanging out in Lemmy.

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            The liberal urge to make sure a racist misogynist narcissistic fascist is comfortable in their spaces

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          I fully disagree. He’s only getting mocked for that because he’s a “manly man” who would surely criticize others for similar things. And punish anyone who isn’t cis. No one (surely some exceptions but a very small percentage) mocking him for this would ever do so if he weren’t like that.

          And I don’t agree that it’s fair game to repeat a made up lie because it’s supposedly funny. That’s what Republicans do.

          After watching Lemmy spout conspiracy theories galore minutes after the trump shooting and also not give a single shit about this “funny meme” being false, it’s really got me questioning if the left is any smarter than the right. Something I have taken for granted for decades. It’s depressing.

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            republicans push their lies as facts. no one is trying to claim the couchfucker meme is true. it’s trolling. not remotely the same thing as what republicans do. plus it’s hilarious.

            no, vance’s new name is couchfucker, but I’m sure he appreciates you getting upset about it for him

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              Not everyone understands the trolling. I believed it might be based on something real for a couple days. Nope, just something that was made up. I’ve seen numerous people asking about it also, confused as hell…

              I mean even if he really did write some shit like that, it would barely be funny enough to repeat for more than a week. But he didn’t.

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                saying someone fucks couches is also not remotely comparable to making accusations of rigged elections, rigged judges, pushing, as fact, mountains of conspiracies, and on and on- while the top of their food chain is convicted felon and rapist

                it seems ridiculous to even have to spell out these distinctions because of vance the couchfucker

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                  Spreading false information should be avoided if you wish to be seen as being above it. That remains true no matter the content. It seems ridiculous to me that people seem to cling to the joke so hard that I need to spell that out.

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          I’m sorry but Couch-fucker McGuy-Liner is way too good not to use.

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          It’s not about mocking someone who wears eyeliner, it’s about mocking someone who wears eyeliner and pretends they don’t.

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      Does JD fuck couches? A lot of people are saying it. The best people. They keep saying it so there must be some truth to it. Just the other day I asked him so you prefer leather, right? It’s so smooth. It’s durable. It’s perfect! He looked me dead in the eye and said, “polyester”. It’s so rough though! That’s why he needs the glove!

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      Again, there is ZERO evidence that JD Vance has reached earth-shattering orgasm in the loving embrace of a two-piece sectional, or that he has had a wild fling or two with wicker outdoor patio furniture. NONE. He certainly has not done so while making disgusting claims about gay people.