• Bertuccio@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Consumer hatred works.

    People could have dumped Netflix and all this other shit and forced better products…

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      Gradual enshittification is the only way to launch a product now.

      You gotta launch a product that’s good. Better than the existing competition. But this happens with some serious seed money or angel investor. Essentially, some naive rich dude.

      But eventually it needs to make a profit.

      They know that eventually the product will have to be as bad or worse than what’s already around…but they will have to boil the frog or else people will jump immediately as soon as the next thing comes around.

      That gives the founders plenty of time to enshittify and bail before it turns to complete crap.

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    3 months ago

    I guess it’s actually worse for Circuit City that I’ve never even heard of this. Like doing evil things is bad doing evil things and still being beneath our notice is probably worse for a company.

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      3 months ago

      To be fair, it was reusable, you just had to pay to use it again.

      Unfortunately it relied on dial up internet, cause home broadband was pretty rare back then.

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      Even worse, there was a special “rental” DVD meant for sales in gas stations and convenience stores that didn’t require a special player like this one, but it literally would degrade and become unplayable after you opened it. And that’s how they controlled the rental period. So unlike this DRM scheme, it would literally be unusable garbage.

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        The amount of brain power and inginuity wasted on bullshit like this is so sad. Corporations once they get big enough all turn into evil pieces of shit.

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      It was reusable. The idea was basically the current iTunes model (rent for two days or buy forever) except with abstracting the license from the data since internet speeds weren’t fast enough to stream video.

      So you’d “buy” or “rent” the license to watch the disc. Once your rental was up, you could give the disc to a friend who could buy or rent it. The idea was to basically use sneakernet to handle the heavy lifting and the internet just for license/DRM purposes.

      Considering people today are willing to pay $10 to “own” a movie that’s on some server they will never see, it really wasn’t a terrible idea. Especially since the licenses were stored on the hardware, so your movies would continue to play even if the server shut down. It’s just separating content from rights management is a really abstract concept and they didn’t do a good job explaining it.

      See also: people getting upset about day1 DLC being included on the game disc, but have no issue buying a digital download.

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        And people forget that Netflix’s original model was also sneakernet. Before streaming was viable they would physically mail you a DVD, which when you were done with you had to drop off someplace or physically mail back. The difference with Netflix was that if you didn’t give the disk back they’d whack you for a (rather inflated, as I recall) purchase price for the movie. DIVX would just disable your ability to play it until you coughed up, obviating the need for a return trip for the disk.

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          If you had a subscription, you could have a Netflix disc indefinitely. You just couldn’t rent any new movies/shows until you returned it.

          If you cancelled your subscription and kept the disc, then yeah they hit you with a “higher than cost” fee.

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            And it was a pretty great deal when you watched a load of movies, like my family did. We were very early adopters. Queue over a hundred titles deep and it never shrank because we added as fast as they came.

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              Also unlike modern day streaming, they didn’t have to worry about obtaining the rights to the movies. They could just buy the DVD from any retailer.

              So there were no platform exclusives to worry about.

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              Ohh yeah. A huge movie buff buddy of mine had the 8 disc plan and rigged up a multiburner pc. His mail was also dropped off in the morning.

              Dude would get up, grab his 8 movies, get them burning, go to work and drop them off in the post box same day before pickup. He’d have new movies every couple of days. He built a hilariously large movie library in just a few months.

              That good “early to no broadband” pirating.

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    I distinctly remember my last time in a Circuit City. I don’t recall the date, but I’m going to say it was circa 2006. I had purchased a Nintendo Wii at one of CC’s competitors but the competitor did not have any suitable Game Cube controllers. So I went over to Circuit City to see what they had since they were essentially in the same shopping complex. In a surprising turn of events, they actually did have Game Cube controllers in stock, they had the style/brand I was hoping for, and the price was actually reasonable.

    They had dozens of employees out in the various sections of the store, at least one per department. There were a plethora of customers. However, they had literally 1 cash register open. The line was backed up into the aisles. I am pretty sure I waited 45 minutes just to check out with this one single item, and that’s only because the customer service manager came over after about 40 minutes and offered to check out anybody with only 1 or 2 items.

    Might be a complete surprise to the former corporate overlords, but for some odd reason I decided never to go back after that.

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      Circuit City had a rough transition out of the 90s. For a while they were pretty highly-regarded because they had salesmen who actually knew their shit. They had specialization of skills within the store, so the sales experience was excellent.

      But with the rise of internet sales, mega-store’s like Frys, and Best Buy going to the Walmart model, they couldn’t keep up that level of service while being price competitive. Some stores really tried to keep the service excellent, but they did it by cutting back on things like maintenance and checkout staff, so you had some stores that were filthy and took forever to check out, but had full staffing in the sales departments.

      But in the end their salespeople weren’t enough to keep them alive. Especially when you could learn what you needed from them, then go to the next strip mall down the road and buy the products at Best Buy for 20% less.

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      My last time there I was trying to buy a GPS for someone. I walked up to the counter and saw the GPS I wanted. I couldn’t get either of the people behind that counter to sell it too me. They were pushing something else and simply wouldn’t sell it to me. I went to best buy and purchased it. A few years later they were done.

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        These disks were designed to self-destruct in the presence of oxygen. They literally rust away.

        Oxygen and its O2 form does like to sneak into everything. Even sealed in the original packaging, there’s a limited shelf life. Flexplay claimed stability of only one year, which isn’t much given it comes sealed in a plastic bag.

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      I used to put them in a plastic baggie, push all the air out, then stick it in the freezer. It seemed to halt the process long enough to give it to a friend and allow them watch it after the 48 hour period.

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    What’s hilarious is that divx was the most popular pirate format back in the day before they went commercial use and xvid replaced it.

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      Ah the good old days when mplayer was needed to handle the partially corrupt divx files on 800mb CD-Rs with missing I-frames, and audio sync issues right and left.

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      Divx was a video codec and much better than the others at that time. It was super confusing when Circuit City announced their DIVX program.

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        Yeah DivX was awesome. Really led the way in allowing videos to be shared online. I wouldn’t have seen half the anime I did if it wasn’t for it.

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            Mine was a cam recording of Scary Movie 2. Horrible, horrible, horrible. Not the fault of the codec. I avoided cams after that and waited for the screeners.

            But oh boy did I love my divx South Park episodes.

            I probably haven’t watched a movie in 5 years.

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            .avi is a container format. It can contain a divx video stream or almost any other encoding of video as well as audio streams and other media. It isn’t exclusive to divx.

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      All this talk of DivX, but no mention of (the open source alternative) XviD? Maybe people confuse them. I think I had way more XviD videos at the time.

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        I just now realized that XviD was DivX backwards.

        Back in the day, I never knew the difference between the two, I just saw DivX getting gradually replaced by XviD.

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    It’s (the formats) downfall was thinking these companies could charge twice the price of a normal DVD player to consumers, just so the consumers could rent a DVD and not have to return it. That, coupled with the younger crowd not having a working phone line in their house by 1998, as cell phones started taking over.

    God, imagine the piles and piles of garbage dvd’s that would have been thrown away if this had taken over normal rentals.

    To the curious: Redbox kiosks popped up around 4 years later in 2002.

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      twice the price of a normal DVD player to consumers

      $500 was the standard rate for a player in '98. Maybe a little cheaper. But why bother buying a marginally smaller newer version of Laserdisc if the discs themselves evaporate?

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    I remember it very well. You also needed a special player to play them, which only Circuit City sold. It was all cheaper than DVDs and DVD players, but obviously only if you watched it once or twice. And it was more expensive than renting it at Blockbuster.

    Just a stupid idea.

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      Ironically the “viewable for 48 hours” is now the model for renting streamed movies using a special device. They were ahead of their time.

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        It’s not that ironic.

        Renting used to exist, and it required you to have a dvd or vhs player. Renting on streaming doesn’t require a ‘special device.’ In fact it is the least special device needed by comparison, as you can watch on so many different devices.

        48 hours was pretty common on new release rentals too, if not even less time.

        Imagine if instead you needed to buy another tablet that only functioned as a video rental device. And nothing else could watch the rentals. That would be closer to reality.

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        I remember DirecTV in the late 90s used this model. When you wanted to watch a pay-per-view, you had access to a channel that was streaming broadcasting it for 24 or 48 hours.

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          And I had a dude down the road always ready with a card to slap in my box so I could watch every channel for free.

          I watched Bigger, Longer, and Uncut first, then Cruel Intentions. I don’t remember the movie, but I was way into the actresses. Good god Sarah Michelle Gellar and Reese Witherspoon really made my 14 year old brain short out bad. I can’t remember a single thing, seriously, but I watched it like 30 times.

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          Oh o remember that. And it wasn’t on demand either, it was just that movie over and over again so you had to line up your viewing with their timeframe, right?

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      I’d say less stupid and more shortsighted. If the cost of DVDs were to have stayed high for, say, 10+ years, then I could see getting a user base for DIVX and having at least moderate success.

      But a giant tech retailer of all things should be aware that new tech tends not to stay prohibitively expensive for too long.

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    Penny Arcade had a character that was a DivX player they bought, that grew arms and legs and started walking around the apartment fucking things up and insulting the other characters.

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    I was mistaken because I thought Circuit City’s downfall was a Bain Capital joint, but they were just run by a different set of idiots Circuit City

    In August 2008, the chain’s head office demanded stores destroy all copies of an issue of Mad magazine which described “Sucker City” as a chain with a long list of locations, all in proximity to each other and each adjacent to a rival Best Buy store.[45]

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      Initially, only a single Zenith player was available starting at $499, along with 20 to 50 titles. Very few players sold during this time period, with The Good Guys chain alleging that fewer than 10 players were sold during this time period.

      This seems to be the fundamental flaw in the plan. If the DVDs just faded over time, but were system agnostic, they likely could have worked as a distribution scheme. But who is going to go $500 out of pocket (in '98 no less, so closer to $1000 today) for a player that eats your discs after two days?