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I’m glad they’re taking steps to oppose fuckery. I’m disgusted that these steps have become necessary (or at least prudent).
“It was just the prelude… Where they burn books, they will ultimately burn people too.”
Heinrich Haine
I used the ban to ban the ban
Ban Ba Ban
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I somehow took this to mean the exact opposite of what the title meant and was confused how this was uplifting news. I think it’s time I had a little nap.
Well considering what the last dozen or so headlines you’ve read about banned books were probably about, I can see how you would make that assumption
The fact that this is considered uplifting news is not something I find very uplifting
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Yeah, I had the same reaction as well, through I may have an excuse as my fibromyalgia is flaring up :/
Now prohibit laws against hitchhiking
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New Jersey is one of like 3 US States to ban hitchhiking.
It would be better if the federal government would just ban hitchhiking laws like they did when a few US States still had laws preventing women from voting.
With the climate crisis, we definitely need to encourage ride sharing.
Please don’t go around deciding issues based in whether they affect your personal life. There are a lot of people in spread out rural areas that don’t own a car and don’t have a bus and asking for rides is as old as the wheel itself. I gave a kid a ride one time so he could go down to his local junior college and register for classes. I hitched across half of AZ once when the tour bus I was with decided to leave two hours early and didn’t do a proper headcount. People ban hitching because they think it will keep “undesirables” out of of their highways and it is as cruel and stupid as criminalizing homelessness because “ew I don’t want to look at that.”
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Ah gotcha. No harm.
So Hitlers and nazis books cant be banned? Im literally shaking uncontrollably and convulsing. New nazis
The bill permits restriction in the case of “developmentally inappropriate material” for certain age groups. The measure also requires local school boards and the governing bodies of public libraries to set up policies for book curation and the removal of library materials, including a way to address concerns over certain items.
I was thinking that probably not all books are suited to a school library lol
Tbf most of the ones “banned” are banned because of language (I found as many of the PDFs as I could one time and searched the documents for “fuck,” which many of them contained, or other words that would be banned in schools), or in one case a graphic novel with a panel depicting a blowjob, and I have been corrected before that it “wasn’t technically a blowjob it was ‘strap on play,’” but, c’mon strap on play is banned in schools too whether it’s between straights or gays. Sure it’s educational, but it’s not the same as an anti racist book that has the N-word in a historical context (TKAM) or something. Most of those are still going to be banned due to that, the rape scenes in a few, “fuck,” “cocksucker,” etc.
This seems more like a feel good measure just to say “See we fixed it! All those same books are still banned, but now we’re claiming the actual reasons instead of homophobia.” I’d be interested to see an itemized breakdown of the ISBNs before/after.
For reference, here’s a PDF to Gender Queer on Archive, one of the most popularized, at the top of every “they banned these books” list:
https://archive.org/details/gender-queer-a-memoir-by-maia-kobabe-z-lib.org/page/62/mode/1up
A) Share it with anyone who needs it! I don’t believe in limiting the free flow of information online or at the public libraries (bans there are eggregious flat out), but
B) Check out page 62 and page 168, this would never fly in my schools whether it was straight or gay, let’s be real.
Parents: reads what’s in some of the books in schools
Teachers: “I’ll ask you to not use profane and rude language like that, Sir”
Look it up. That actually happened
Oh yum that sounds like a cherry picked list of lascivious moments from great literature taken out of context and lined up against the wall together until they look like a pornographic paradise. Surely this is how we should evaluate material!
Romeo and Juliet is kiddie porn - a veritable manual for pedo groomers!!!
Turns out it’s possible to have books in schools that contain language that is inappropriate for a classroom. Any decent teacher would still allow you to discuss the book, but that doesn’t mean said language is ok outside of that context, and children are smart enough to make that difference if we allow and teach them to.
What in the world are you talking about?
“thatll teach them damn librals”
I could do the same thing with the book The Color Purple. That doesn’t mean we should ban The Color Purple
I read huckleberry Finn in high school, but that was one we weren’t allowed to read out loud
Look what up? What exactly do you want me to write in my search engine? I copied and pasted your entire first two sentences and got no results.
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I vaguely recall this and it did happen, I wish I could link a source.
It’s kind of out of context though. You can support having a book available with profane language and suggest that people not use such language at a school board meeting at the same time.
Ah, my old enemy,
I whole heartedly agree with you. Context and language does matter.
That’s why using the term “ban” is completely disingenuous. There are some books that were removed from school libraries (and in a very small amount of cases, city public libraries) based on their subject matter. These books were still WIDELY available to purchase in book stores and online.
Nothing was “banned”. They were just removed from public school libraries.
Them banning the bans makes me chuckle.
Conservatives should have banned ban-bans first if they wanted to get their way.
Isn’t that in Project 2025 somewhere?
Yes but project 2025 has been banned so we are all good there
“Somehow, Palpatine returned…”
Then Democrats hit 'em with the ban ban ban ban.
I’m interested how this works, technically. I’m against banning books. I’m also against elementary school kids picking up Naked Lunch in the school library and leaving through it. I presume no librarian would elect to have that book anyway, so it will never be tested whether it can be barred somehow. There are also probably soft mechanisms that get used like “it’s in the library and you can check it out with a parental permission form.” Anyway how to handle obscene material has been a question since the beginning of time.
The bill permits restriction in the case of “developmentally inappropriate material” for certain age groups. The measure also requires local school boards and the governing bodies of public libraries to set up policies for book curation and the removal of library materials, including a way to address concerns over certain items.
Leaving a gap open for “developmentally inappropriate” makes sense in the face of it, but when Evangelicals try to ban any book that has a depiction of a gay character, this is the rationale they use: that kids should not be subjected to sexual material. I’m not saying their argument holds water, just that the gap left open by this prohibition is the exact favorite entry point of book ban abusers.
I don’t really understand what this bill changes either :/
The school would still have to be the one buying the books so they just won’t buy any book they deem inappropriate. I’m sure this is mainly just to stop zealots from banning everything related to evolution. Also, I haven’t read Naked Lunch but from what I know of it, I doubt it has anything kids can’t get on the Internet nowadays.
From the article:
The bill permits restriction in the case of “developmentally inappropriate material” for certain age groups. The measure also requires local school boards and the governing bodies of public libraries to set up policies for book curation and the removal of library materials, including a way to address concerns over certain items.
Doesn’t know the book: check Casually dismisses the entire topic of moderating children’s content intake: check
It’s pretty clear you don’t know what you’re talking about on any level here.
Sounds like you’re having a bad day. I even gave you a quote from the article that answers your exact question. Everything okay at home?
I’m responding to this:
I haven’t read Naked Lunch but from what I know of it, I doubt it has anything kids can’t get on the Internet nowadays.
So you took one sentence out of context and used it to dismiss the rest of the comment with objections that had already been addressed by the parts you dismissed?
I may be over focusing on that one part of your comment but it does stand out from the rest as rather asinine and contributing nothing to the point.
I recommend reading the US constitution. Basically this is what the Bill of Rights is.
Also many States added bans on banning of abortions to their Constitutions for the same reason.
We need a lot more of these, like bans on bans of encrypted apps without backdoors. Bans on bans of “vagrancy” and other laws made to target black people. Bans on book bans in prison.
The land of freedom has reached the point that we must ban banning things rather than framing it as guaranteeing the right to d9 a thing.
Wi nøt trei a høliday in Sweden thi yer?
Growing up I was under the impression that no one could ban books in the US. Fahrenheit 451 was a book we read and studied in sixth grade. I think that’s around 12 years old-ish. That’s when we also started learning the constitution and basics of law.
It blows my mind we’re going through this nonsense right now
You’re right of course, but your 6th grade teacher should have told you that the subject of the book could happen again. Freedom, eternal vigilance, and so on.
I mean, it was sixth grade. They could have said that. I didn’t keep the transcripts.
You don’t have the study material?
You don’t have a pornographic memory?
“If you’ll recall, in our last class, you fucked me so good.”
No, it’s a photogenic memory.
I do, and I like what you’re not wearing right now. Mmmmmm! Yeahhh!
I remember learning through multiple personal experiences some time during highschool that some adults were vastly less intelligent and wise than some of my fellow 16 yr olds, it was shocking to me. Honestly I think some people hit puberty and just began coasting, ego and entitlement outweighed curiosity, and they began to live with the belief that society’s collection of history, science, and reasoning, was worth less than their own personal opinion.
Oh, absolutely. Peaking in highschool is a very real thing.
its a shame those same people are also 90% of the management field.
The second I heard Trump got elected, I gave standard ebooks $10 and grabbed their entire library, and did a “shopping spree” on zlibrary.
how do you…
Grab fiction and nonfiction from their collections page. That covers every book.
History repeats itself. Left, right, left, right. One foot after the other. It’ll be here soon. Who knows, you might live to see a bread line four blocks long by age 70.
Perk up!
Might also want to check out https://gutenberg.org, it’s got about 70x the books that standard ebooks has, even if its not as well refurbished.
I have a dirty pull of their site from a torrent that I need to clean up. My issue is cross-referencing it with standard to see what I have and don’t. I might get Calibre to handle it if it happens to identify them as the same book, I’ll just import Gutenberg afterwards and skip the existing.
Growing up I didn’t think abortion was controversial, only very religious conservative people standing outside abortion clinics find it controversial. Wasn’t until we overturned roe v wade when I realized there are way more people who disagree with abortion than I initially thought.
interesting perspective. i grew up in a super conservative circle and i was under the impression that most people found it morally wrong. in reality, the vast majority of Americans support access to abortion in some way, regardless if they would personally have one themselves
Based
can they prohibit foundations of geopolitics?
Probably not, seeing as that is also a book. Making Dugin’s ideas harder to find doesn’t fix anything anyway, challenging them on the merits does.
