I don’t want to single anyone out, but whenever I browse Lemmy for new communities I feel like it’s not uncommon to find ones that only have 0-2 posts in them from months (or even as much as 2 years) ago.
I get why it happens: every time Reddit or some other platform does some crazy anti-user shit there’s a big flood of interest in Lemmy and the Fediverse again, and with it a rush of people making communities (often trying to quickly clone popular subreddits).
But it seems that after some time they either get bored or disappointed that they weren’t able to grow things as fast as they wanted, and then they just take off, leaving nothing but a ghost community behind–nobody posting anything and effectively unmoderated from what I can tell. That’s my experience at least.
Of course, people can always create entirely new servers with an entirely new set of communities. But it feels like a shame that there are so many effectively dead communities on otherwise popular servers due to the fact that the people who created them never put any work in and just up ‘n’ left.
- Have you run into many “ghost communities” during your time on Lemmy?
- Do you think it’s a problem now?
- Will it be a problem in the future?
- If so, what can/should we do about it?
I asked to pick up the curly hair one here, but admins are so busy, and with the mod gone I can’t ask her. I don’t want to make ANOTHER one, that seems worse.
FYI, most instance admins allow users to request taking over mod duties for the ghost communities you describe.
Yeah it’s a problem.
The fix is to direct those communities to larger generic communities. For example, people looking to talk about their 2nd gen Mazda rx7 shouldnt start an rx7 community. They probably shouldn’t even start a Mazda community. They should use the existing car or automotive communities.
Reddit and other large message boards start out with a few common topics (news, tech, music, asklemmy) and a catchall for everything else. If topics in the catchall get too numerous, need to be moderated more, or shouldn’t be in the catchall for any number of reasons, they get pushed to their own community.
This sounds a little chaotic but it allows organic growth.
It requires a bit of support by the admins though, and acceptance of the chaos by everyone else.
I think tagging, and a catchall community setting that requires posts to be tagged, would help figure out which topics have become big enough for a split.
sounds apparitionist yo
Nail on the head, and yes it does.
I like the trend I’m seeing of people stepping up to mod and run ghost communities. Most communities would take off - with a bit of love and care. (That usually means you are the only poster for quite a while though, while lurkers quietly upvote).
I would like to see a more regulated way of taking over ghost communities, like having a vote system for a community taking itself back if mods don’t respond in X weeks or something. Lemmy world has a good system with their lemmy world support channel though, or at least it appears that way.
Is there a process for modding a community you didn’t create without the creator approving?
You can ask instance mods.
Asking the admins, on lemmy world there is !support@lemmy.world
Yes, we have ghost communities. No, it’s not a problem. We’re not here to entertain you 24/7.
The Reddit communities that drove the most engagement were also the most toxic. The good part of Reddit was, and to some extent still is, the slow-moving communities that act as magnets for scraps of obscure knowledge.
Have patience.
I don’t think it’s that much of a problem considering most of them were made pre-emptively back during the first Reddit migration and simply just never actually got any activity. At least for those on Lemmy.World, the admins are cool enough that if you DM them about taking over such a community, they will likely transfer control over to you. I got !eldenring@lemmy.world this way after noticing it existed but hadn’t been touched since the Reddit API drama and the user who created it had fucked off too.
Hell, I run a ghost community. I did indeed port it over from reddit, just out of spite. But to be fair, it was pretty ghosty over there, too.
I’m not too worried about it. I just don’t have much to post about just now. It’s not hurting anything.
I run a whole ghost server. Not on this account, but it’s a hobby one without too much news and I don’t want to just post my own stuff all the time.
This is the attitude. Some people make a community as if it was an enterprise, trying to grow big fast. The best communities, here or everywhere, are labors of love that may or may not grow much. A community getting huge is even a liability that can kill it as effectively as low traffic.
People, don’t make communities expecting them to become big, make them expecting them to stay authentic.
Sure, but the fact that you’re at least still active on Lemmy and paying attention makes it less of a problem.
The ghost communities I’m really talking about are the ones where you click on the moderator’s profile and find that they don’t even seem to be active on Lemmy much at all anymore. At that point, those communities have zero chance of growing because they’ll quickly be unmoderated, and to my knowledge we have nothing like Reddit’s “subreddit request” in place where unmoderated communities can be taken over from absent moderators.
Obviously not every community is going to be super active all the time, that’s not a problem. The problem are the communities on popular servers that have “reserved” good names, are inactive and effectively unmoderated. Those types of communities are only serving to pollute the namespace of the most popular servers, imo.
It really isn’t as big of an issue in the large scheme. As others pointed out the instance Admins can give you control. I myself have taken two that were abandoned. Maybe having this information front and center may help with awareness. I didn’t know it was even an option until someone told me. I was stuck in my reddit ways and assumed I needed to start a new community.
If there is a community that is clearly abandoned and you want to put in the work you can request mod status from an instance admin
Instance admins can hand out unmoderated communities to new mods themselves, provided it’s on their instance of course. If your instance has a /c/main or something I’m sure you could ask there about getting a community transferred to you if you want it, or at least get pointed in the right direction.
Doesn’t even have to be your instance, just whatever instance the community is on.
I also created a ghost community. It had a few stragglers at first and then most of the content was erased from one user. I knew I never had the time to mod it and it never really took off like it did on Reddit. That’s okay, it’s a dead subject anyway. It’s basically a venting place for how Disney screwed up Lucasfilm. That’s fairly obvious now and people have moved on, including myself. It’s all good!
Thats a good point. It’s a shame the data is gone, but who cares if the topic is dead. It will still make great reading for some bored soul one day
I think there should be a feature wherein every new community can designate a parent community and a minimum traffic threshhold; and if traffic falls below the threshold, posts and subscriptions are folded into the parent community until traffic picks up again.
I think your just blocked.
Am I the only person who doesn’t WANT Lemmy to turn into Reddit?
No, but I don’t think that’s what we’re talking about. The references to Reddit are secondary, I think. We’re talking about how to improve Lemmy by having the place not be littered with a high proportion of dead communities.
Well I support that.
I actually started one, thinking there might be an audience for it. There is not.
But now that it exists, I don’t appear to have a way to shut it down.
Maybe lemmy needs a way for creators to kill their own communities?
Have you tried logging in on desktop Lemmy and finding the delete option? I started a community way back and remember deleting it that way.
I do most of my stuff in Boost, that may be the issue, I’ll try it from desktop.
I think an expiration date of one year without a post of any sort should let the admins get new mods for a community. It’s such a ridiculous amount of time that I think it’s reasonable.
I used to be sad that I couldn’t find the same communities here, but I realized I need to be the change.
If I want to chat about something that doesn’t exist Ill create a dead community and post in it from time to time. Come watch me grow algae at /c/spirulina
Oh totally. I agree with that. I’m mainly talking about the people who appear to have come by, made a community, and then left (leaving it unmoderated and likely even more difficult to grow.)
