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Summary
Following a February 7th neo-Nazi rally, residents of Lincoln Heights, a majority-Black Ohio town, formed an armed Safety and Watch Program to protect against hate groups.
The rally, where participants waved swastikas and shouted slurs, received little police intervention, sparking fears of future threats when no arrests or identifications were made during the incident.
Volunteers now patrol bus stops and neighborhoods. “I’ve never felt safer as a Black man in my community,” said spokesperson Daronce Daniels.
The historically underserved and self-governing community shows strong support for the initiative with yard signs and sees this as a continuation of its legacy of self-reliance and community defense.
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Wanna bet this community sees a temporary decrease in crime?
Hell, I personally would feel safer as an opponent of facism there too.
History shows us that this will not be tolerated for long though, regardless of the constitutional right. I hope this idea is picked up elsewhere. There are a lot of places that could benefit from running their own regulated militia: cities, towns, and neighborhoods.
You wanna bet they’re gonna make some laws now to restrict them because black people are exercising their 2nd amendment rights.
That’s the part I’m curious about. California did enact a law in 1967 requiring permits to openly carry loaded firearms, but the Black Panthers didn’t just go away.
Anything enacted at a federal level will get pushback, and I’m very curious about how it will be constructed to avoid pissing off their support. In either way, I would presume that people aren’t just going to passively hand over their guns. We know how that ends up.
Black father’s are why Reagan, and the NRA passed gun control in the past. Fox will be fully utilized to push an agenda of dis-arming pigmented people. And when enough of the community has forgotten the experiment, they will go back to pushing ‘gun rights’.
Youve seen detroit or any other african country?
Have you seen Alabama, Arkansas or anything outside of Miami Florida? It isn’t pretty.
The cops didn’t didn’t show up for the same reason that you never see Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus at the same time.
They were already there! Just in a different uniform
What uniforms were Hannah and Miley wearing?
The same ones
Like they were identical to each other or they were identical to the Nazis?
Well, let me put it this way, Hannah and Miley wear the same clothes all the time, much like how police and white nationalist wear the same clothes all the time.
Good news: Law enforcement has operatives highly placed in every domestic terror organization.
Bad news: they are not informants.
I think letting everybody have a gun is absolutely moronic. But if i was living in the US right now i would definitely be stocking up on assault rifles and ammo.
I think you’d be better off with one, and spend the change left over on more ammo. You only have two hands.
Maybe I’d find some people to use the other ones.
Valid.
At current gun ownership rates in the US, every willing person who wanted a gun could be issued one instantly if enough people were willing to share.
An assault rifle just tells everyone you can’t aim and are happy with indiscriminate targeting. They are fine when you are fighting 1000 of something, but there’s a reason the army sharpshooting badge doesn’t include burst fire (or didn’t thirty year’s ago, anyway).
I’d recommend just about anything else for self defense, actually.
I can’t because of some mental health concerns in my household (not the least of which, my own), but otherwise I’d have a revolver.
[Assault rifles] are fine when you are fighting 1000 of something, but… I’d recommend just about anything else for self defense, actually.
(Pointedly) Yeah, we know.
I keep a cavalry company of winged hussars in my back yard. Fuck with me and get lanced mofo!
An assault rifle just tells everyone you can’t aim and are happy with indiscriminate targeting.
Tell me you’ve never shot a gun, without telling me you’ve never shot a gun
Qualified expert with an M-16. Which also implies I’ve fired an M-60, but that’s not really relevant to the discussion.
I’m not thinking about self defense against some burglar. I’m talking about self defense in the sense the US gun nuts have been talking about for decades. Now that tyranny has actually arrived, they’re very quiet all of a sudden. Who would have thought.
WWI more than a hundred years ago demonstrated conclusively the military worthlessness of a bunch of dudes armed with rifles, when faced with the real elements of state military power: artillery, tanks and airplanes. The US government has no fear of a bunch of fat old dudes with closets full of peashooters.
Oh yes, on an open battlefield against declared combatants, absolutely. However, that’s not how it’s going to go down in the US. This is where we get to dredge up that old quote about a rifle behind every blade of grass.
Take a look at any “anti-insurgency” operation in the last ~80 years or any situation that devolved into door-to-door warfare in a city full of both nongovernment combatants and also where basically every single civilian also hates you and your army. Except in our case about a third (32%) of those civilians are armed.
Even if only half of those civilians are on our side, we’d outnumber the entirety of the US police and military forces combined by a little over 13 to 1. Nobody wants to fight a war of attrition and I’m not recommending one, but the fascists would have to achieve an unrealistically ludicrous k/d ratio to succeed. There’s no way around it other than this would outright require indiscriminately blowing up large sections of their own cities and infrastructure to get us, surely killing a handful of combatants each time but also taking out at least double their number in uninvolved civilians.
That sort of thing does not tend to go any way towards making the rest of those civilians left get less involved.
That must be why they beat theTaliban so decisively.
This situation absolutely calls for rifIe usage. Tell us you know nothing about firearrns without telling us…
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May as well. We’re well on our way to being third-world anyway
“shit-hole cuntry”
Every group of people need to have autonomy and independence, and the right to self-govern. No people should have to fear violence and repression from another group.
antifa supersoldiers /j
This ends with blood in the streets. We just need to decide whose blood.
I can guess whose blood the police prefer.
We already decided in WW2, so Nazis shouldn’t get another chance to come back.
When there is blood, highly likely it will be from both.
‘Twas ever thus.
Alas, the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of both patriots and tyrants.
It is with a heavy heart we must accept this and move forward, as our elected leaders have now left us with virtually no other choice.
Good for them!
Good move for the black people.
NRA inexplicably starts sweating
Very relevant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act
Oh, that was just perfect. Thank you.
It’s a good thing Ronald Reagan isn’t around anymore.
If Reagan were around to see this we might stand a chance at getting some kind of gun control.
With Trump you just might
I read this with the subtext that Ronald Reagan worked as governor of California to pass gun control after Black Panthers were exercising their right to bear arms.
Underrated comment, ty
You read good.
We need these in every neighbor hood now
Hey I think I’ve seen this episode before!
Yeah, this I’d the first season. Next season the US military will bomb the city
Or they might just have the local police bomb and incenerate an entire city block like in Philly.
*Edit: typo
If the cops didn’t do shit when the Nazis came, why do they think the cops won’t fuck them over if they try to stop the Nazis?
What other options remain?
He said he supports law enforcement, but that its handling of the Feb. 7 demonstration doesn’t give him faith that it will protect him in the future. For that reason, he says he’s proud of the neighborhood safety and watch program, even though he wishes it weren’t needed.
Well for starters opposing the police instead of supporting them.
You gotta virtue signal sometimes. Purity testing every word people say will get the movement nowhere.
Cowards tend to back down when confronted on equal grounds. This is essentially a resurgence of the Black Panther movement, which worked quite well doing the exact same thing.
This is essentially a resurgence of the Black Panther movement, which worked quite well doing the exact same thing.
Well, up until it got COINTELPRO’d and the cops assassinated Fred Hampton, at least.
I wonder if this will trigger republicans to enact gun laws
Mulford Act A 1967 California bill to repeal the law that permitted citizens to carry loaded weapons in public places The Mulford Act was a 1967 California bill that prohibited public carrying of loaded firearms without a permit. Named after Republican assemblyman Don Mulford, and signed into law by governor of California Ronald Reagan, the bill was crafted with the goal of disarming members of the Black Panther Party who were conducting armed patrols of Oakland neighborhoods, in what would later be termed copwatching. Wikipedia
If so only locally. “States rights” and all.
An interesting distinction, so you could carry an unloaded rifle, and a magazine or ammunition in your pocket and be totally legal and still ready to defend yourself if needed
That would depend entirely on what skin color you’re wearing that day.
Lmfao imagine showing up to be the voice of the people and banning something termed “cop watching” and not hanging yourself right after.
Ah, Reagan. What a racist piece of shit. Too bad someone with better aim didn’t try to impress Jodie Foster.
Or at least a bigger caliber. Why do all these would be assassin’s not spend and extra 200 dollars in range time. Meanwhile kennedy gets the fucking marine that bullseye’s womp bats with a garand.
I’m pretty sure kennedy got a little more attention than that
No way, it was clearly only the guy who was immediately murdered while in police custody.
Ah shit, case closed.
Now I whisper in my partners ear “Damn he’s good”
Fun fact: Reagan kicked off his 1980 campaign with a speech in Philadelphia MS - a middle-of-nowhere city known for absolutely fucking nothing except the murder of three civil rights workers in 1964.
The cops did plenty! They openly fraternized with them and then escorted the Nazis away where they openly fraternized with them again. Wait a minute…
Funny thing is, if they kill all the Nazis, there ain’t be any cops left to fuck them over.
Resist fascism!
