Yes but got forbid those jobs be stolen by another country. Can’t have that.
The Senate will decide its fate.
I don’t think the purported numbers themselves are that important, the key bit is that AI is an advancing technology over this century. If we don’t rework our society to account for an oncoming future, people will get run over.
If there is an overhaul of my nation’s Constitution, I would like economics to be addressed. One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount. If they downsize the amount of working humans, their limit goes down. They can opt to join a lotto program, that grants UBI to people whose occupation is displaced by AI, and each income that is lotto’ed by the company adds to their Capital Asset Limit.
One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount.
Expert here. That’s a bad idea. Example: a small law firm, 10 employees including owners/partners/I don’t care how they’re organized. They have 3 bank accounts: their payroll account, their operating fund (where all their nonpayroll expenditures are made) and their client liability account. None of the money in that account is actually theirs, they just hold it while waiting for clients to cash their settlement checks.
Proportionally, at least at the firm I’ve consulted with, their client liability account is several orders of magnitude larger than either of the other accounts. Technically the money isn’t theirs, they are just custodians, and the interest from that account is their bar association dues.
My point is, certain asset caps may look appropriate for one industry and simultaneously be absolutely disruptive to others.
In that case, what would you believe to be an appropriate solution for your industry? I would like your viewpoint, it might refine my concept a bit further*.
*My approach is assuming a scenario that can be broadly be described as ‘What if FDR failed to save capitalism?’, or a total breakdown of the economic reality we know. That is the sort of thing that the Framers of America did when they made the Constitution. They formalized rules on preventing absolute political power, so I am looking for something similar regarding economic gaps.
I’ve thought a good one would be to have all publicly traded business allocate 15% equity to employees, and require a seat on the board for an employee elected representative. Employees should be allowed to vote to sell off a certain amount every quarter, and any stock buybacks would go into the employee pool until the 15% is reached again.
I have a feeling that this is different from Beeg’s concern about client assets, but more about employee influence over the company? The idea of an equity limit might be a good addition to the Universal Ranked Income concept that I have cobbled together. Thank you. :)
In any case, my notes has two things about my own take:
1: Employees can vote for whether someone can obtain and retain their leadership position within their chapter and for higher rungs of the organization. Also, the pay grade of those leaders. Employees who are fired or retired from the company will receive 1:1 retirement pay over time, equal to the days and pay grade that they worked at the company, and can vote on any position of the company or those it has merged with. This essentially means that legacy employees can determine the leadership of the company, and cannot be made to ‘go away’ in a political sense.
2: Stocks when sold, have two components. The first is that they pay an amount over a fixed time, that is more than what they were paid for. It cannot be be sold nor traded, until it has been exhausted of this payback value. When exhausted of value, the share can now be traded to another individual for money, or returned to the company for the value it was bought at. The company cannot refuse the return, nor offer an increased price. A share returned to the company can be reissued, which allows it to start paying the fixed value again. Secondly, people who hold a share can vote for company leadership*. People within leadership positions at the company cannot own stocks from their own organization.
By requiring stocks to be held for a certain time before they can be traded, it makes it harder for stockholders to hoard and dispose of stocks when convenient. The gradual payout is a reward to people who buy stocks from the company. Presumably, the inability of stocks to have guaranteed value when they become tradeable will promote their return to the company.
*It is assumed that we are operating within an economic system, where there are absolute wealth and asset caps. There is only so many shares a person can possess, and holding shares can prevent someone from owning a yacht or bigger house - they have to lose the shares to make room within the cap for things they enjoy. This helps limit the influence of individual stock holders.
LOLLLLLLLL that’s like a third of the US population. Probably half of the number currently employed. There’s no way in hell this useless garbage will take 1/3 to 1/2 of all jobs. Companies that do this will go out of business fast.
I think the fad will die down a bit, when companies figure out that AI will be more likely than humans to make very expensive mistakes that the company has to compensate, and saying it was the AI is not a valid cop out.
I foresee companies will go bankrupt on that account.It doesn’t help to save $100k on cutting away an employee, if the AI causes damages for 10 or 100 times that amount.
Good podcast about this bubble bursting : https://craphound.com/news/2025/10/06/the-real-economic-ai-apocalypse-is-nigh/
When the bubble bursts, whoever is left standing is going to have to jack prices through the roof to put so much as a dent in their outlay. Their outlay so far. Can’t see many companies hanging in there at that point.
Not if the IP is purchased by another company leaving the original saddled with the debt, or spun off so the parent company can rebuy it thusly, or the government bails them out, or buys it to be the State AI too, or a bunch of other scenarios in this dark new world ahead.
I put my money on AI act here in Europe and the willingness of local authorities to make a few examples. That would help bringing some accountability here and there and stir a bit the pot. Eventually, as AI commodities, it will be less in the light. That will also help.
Agreed, but I do think that some jobs are just going to be gone.
For example, low level CS agents. I worked for a company that replaced that first line of CS defense with a bot, and the end-of-call customer satisfaction scores went up.
I can think of a few other things in my company that had a similar outcome. If the role is gone, and the customers and employees are being served even better than when they had that support role, that role ain’t coming back.
Oh 100%. The question will be are there more opportunities that come from it. Here’s my guess: if you can’t produce something interesting you will be fighting for scraps. Even that might not be good enough.
I’m pretty sure that even consumer services is an area where I saw a computer made an expensive mistake, promising the customer something very expensive, and a court decided the company had to honor the agreement the AI made. But I can’t find the story, because I’m flooded with product placement articles about how wonderful AI is at saving cost in CS.
But yes CS is absolutely an area where AI is massively pushed.The court honored it for now. I expect the future it will be your problem.
Oh but the EU?
Once they are done with North America the EU will be a non issue for them.
Not sure if it’s the one you are referring to, but AI gave discounts on flights.
And over the next 50 years it will take 485 million jobs, and the unemployment rate will be 235%.
And we’ll all be dead.
Here’s hoping!
This is how AI will take over… not through wars or competence, but by being better at bureaucratic forgeries…
Edit: well, I guess the apple never falls far from the tree, as it were! Wa-hey! We wanted to create the ultimate worker, but we’ve managed to create the ultimate politician instead=))
It’s easy when the first line of every reply is “oh, you’re so goddamn smart. Holy shit, are you the smartest person in the world for asking that question?..”
AI politicians might be the move after next.
Corporate personhood(you are here) ->
Corporation self advocates ->
Corporations run for officeI don’t like this future. I’d like to go back.
I hate to break it to you….
I said I DON’T LIKE THIS FUTURE. I’D LIKE TO GO BACK
This.
funny… i expected IT workers to be in that list but we’re not. AI couldn’t do my job but it could be my boss and that frightens me.
I drove Amazon Flex during Covid, having an AI as your boss is deeply and perpetually unsettling but ultimately doable! Just do what the push notification tells you to do. If you want to say something to your boss, use the feedback form on the corporate website. So simple.
What do you do?
what don’t I do… some days… I tell you. My job is Systems Administrator
Thus demonstrating the crux of the issue.
I was just looking for a name of a historical figure associated with the Declaration of Independence but not involved in the writing of it. Elizabeth Powel. Once I knew the name, I went through the ai to see how fast they’d get it. Duck.ai confidently gave me 9 different names, including people who were born on 1776 or soon thereafter and could not have been historically involved in any of it. I even said not married to any of the writers and kept getting Abagail Adams and the journalist, Goddard. It was continually distracted by “prominent woman” and would give Elizabeth Cady Stanton instead. Twice.
Finally, I gave the ai a portrait. It took the ai three tries to get the name from the portrait, and the portrait is the most used one under the images tab.
It was very sad. I strongly encourage everyone to test the ai. Easy to grab wikis that would be top of the search anyway are making the ai look good.
If you understand how LLMs work, that’s not surprising.
LLMs generate a sequence of words that makes sense in that context. It’s trained on trillions(?) of words from books, Wikipedia, etc. In most of the training material, when someone asks “what’s the name of the person who did X?” there’s an answer, and that answer isn’t “I have no fucking clue”.
Now, if it were trained on a whole new corpus of data that had “I have no fucking clue” a lot more often, it would see that as a reasonable thing to print sometimes so you’d get that answer a lot more often. However, it doesn’t actually understand anything. It just generates sequences of believable words. So, it wouldn’t generate “I have no fucking clue” when it doesn’t know, it would just generate it occasionally when it seemed like it was an appropriate time. So, you’d ask “Who was the first president of the USA?” and it would sometimes say “I have no fucking clue” because that’s sometimes what the training data says a response might look like when someone asks a question of that form.
LOL Maybe AI will be the next big job creator. The AI solves a task super fast, but a human has to sort out the mistakes, and spend twice the time doing that, than it would have taken to just do it yourself.
This what’s happening in computer programming. The booming subfield is apparently slop cleaners.
If you have a job that you can be confidently wrong without any self awareness after the fact, then yeah I guess.
But I can’t think of many jobs like that except something that is mostly just politics.
Don’t forget the vast majority of CEOs.
IMO AI would probably do the job of CEO better than a human. It wouldn’t be as greedy and would be happy with any growth while being humble enough to make decisions that might be personally embarrassing
Spam and astroturfing mostly.
Knowing the way our country is going I would expect in the end workers will have to pay an AI tax on their income and most workers will start working 50 hours a week.
I like you optimism that it won’t be worse than that. 😋
Why even post this here? This is politics BS that‘s used as a diversion from the Epstein files and the government shut down which again only happened so they don‘t vote on the Epstein files.
I wouldn’t put it entirely outside the realm of possibility, but I think that that’s probably unlikely.
The entire US only has about 161 million people working at the moment. In order for a 97 million shift to happen, you’d have to manage to transition most human-done work in the US to machines, using one particular technology, in 10 years.
Is that technically possible? I mean, theoretically.
I’m pretty sure that to do something like that, you’d need AGI. Then you’d need to build systems that leveraged it. Then you’d need to get it deployed.
What we have today is most-certainly not AGI. And I suspect that we’re still some ways from developing AGI. So we aren’t even at Step 1 on that three-part process, and I would not at all be surprised if AGI is a gradual development process, rather than a “Eureka” moment.
and then 115 million will be needed to unwind the half-assed implementation and inevitable damage.
the onion? looks like ai already took adviser to congress jobs
