For my birthday, my spouse got me a nicer newer expensive version of a thing I already have. The one I have is older and dented but works just fine. I use it weekly. I never complain about it. I’ve never asked for a newer one. The one I have was given to me by my mother in law, whom I adore. It’s sentimental.

I don’t like new things. When they got me a 3d printer, it was the cheapest one and it was a kit and I had to build myself. I loved it. It’s perfect for me. I regularly buy things used or get things from Buy Nothing groups. I much prefer to repair old things in many ways. My car has over 100k miles. The one before did too. I don’t like new things.

We got into a huge argument because I want to return it. They are so upset with me that they left the house to calm down. Why am I the bad person? Why are they mad at me? I have a very clear tendency for old broken used things. Why am I obligated to like this new thing?

We literally established a rule early in our marriage. I’m not allowed to gift nerdy t shirts. They don’t like them. I love them. I thought they would like them but they do not. So they asked me to stop. This feels the same. I do not like new things. Why am I the bad guy for wanting to return the newer version of the thing I already have?

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    You may be autistic and should get properly diagnosed. I am not joking. Your spouse was trying to do a nice thing for you and maybe even liked the idea of you using something they got you all the time the way you use your current one. Given how you form emotional attachments to old and familiar things and given how you don’t understand your spouse’s hurt, you are very likely on spectrum. Being diagnosed will help give you the tools to better interact with others, and will help those close to you — like your spouse — know how to relate to you more effectively.

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        In that case, here’s a plausable explanation that might resonate:

        Gifts are a social contract. They are tendering their time, effort, and feelings for you to pick something to make you happy. If they misjudge you and you care about their happiness, thank them, hug them, make them feel special, then make sure you have a gift list available to them next time. This could be a Pinterest board, or anything. Focus on things you’d consider acceptable, even though they’re new. Also, DON’T GIVE THEM THAT LIST RIGHT NOW. In fact, wait until black Friday and tell them you have trouble picking out gifts for them, and ask if they could make a list, and can then, hopefully, safely exchange lists.

        Your spouse put a lot of time and strong feelings into picking you birthday a gift. They formed an emotional attachment to this process/gift expecting to make you happy. Perhaps they feel like they don’t get you good gifts, perhaps the price of the item itself was a hardship that they decided to bear on your behalf to make them feel proud, or maybe they feel like you’re too good at getting them gifts. Perhaps you’re extremely hard to shop for since finding you used, repairable items that you’ll appreciate is an insurmountably difficult task from the outside. In any case, they felt that they had done a good job and probably had a solid sigh of relief for figuring something out.

        They wrap it, feeling excitement, wanting you to be happy. They hand it over to you. You appear disappointed and want to return it. Even if you put on a good face at the time and later mentioned returning it, All that excitement, pride, and serotonin they had is now instantly gone. They feel awful for not understanding you.

        Embarrasment + Shame + Sadness will make some awful anger.

        Pick your battles. Someone giving you something nice that you don’t love for your own reasons is rarely a battle worth having. Accept it with grace and admiration for them. Make them as happy as they’re trying to make you.

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        Your post is like something I could have written, right down to repairing old things and loving them because you breathed new life into them, and because they are familiar, reliable, and comforting. Getting diagnosed opens a world of support and understanding, and I cannot encourage you enough to pursue it. Do it for your marriage and your own happiness. Even if it’s not ASD, a diagnosis helps more than you might initially think.

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      Yeah. That was so clear (IMO) that It didn’t even occur to me that this person may not already know that.

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      Unnecessary, uncool. Why try to label someone why you don’t know, and obviously don’t have the credentials to diagnose?

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        I mean they did say “you may be…” and then followed it up with advice to talk to a professional. I don’t think there was an attempt to diagnose here, even though I don’t agree with how the comment was worded. Personally, I think everyone should get tested to see what neuroatypicalities they have.

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          Not following the impersonal and casual, episodic/event-based gift-giving culture we have to a T isn’t evidence of disease.

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              BlameTheAntifa: Because I am autistic, have been through this myself, and game recognizes game. These are classic hallmarks of ASD. I appreciate that you care, but OP clearly needs to take the first step and seek a professional diagnosis, which could change their life for the better.

              Strongly suggesting that OP’s behavior fits the “classic hallmarks of ASD”, appealing to their own diagnosis of autism by saying “game recognizes game”, and suggesting that they need to seek professional diagnosis and “take the first step” is basically suggesting that OP’s behavior is diseased.

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        Because I am autistic, have been through this myself, and game recognizes game. These are classic hallmarks of ASD. I appreciate that you care, but OP clearly needs to take the first step and seek a professional diagnosis, which could change their life for the better.

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          These are classic hallmarks of ASD.

          Care to provide a source for that? Gift-giving and receiving is cultural and people are free to not conform.

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            Just running a web search for “ASD gift disappointment” gives a ton of articles, not necessarily the exact situation OP is in, but it’s enough to say that I think it’s a common thing.

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              It’s not an indicator of autism, full-stop. OP is not having “difficulty” conforming to culture. OP received a gift that didn’t hit the mark - their spouse is free to try again and make it a nice gift. OP can’t stealthily return it and there are likely financial considerations in addition to their personal preference of not wanting new, expensive things that directly replace appliances they are content with.

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                The way you say “potentially diseased” is pretty rude. That’s not how I view folks with ASD. All of this is because someone who has ASD and thought OP was going through something similar. I have ADHD. If I saw someone speaking about one of the pivotal moments that led to me getting a diagnosis I might say to them “have you considered you have ADHD?”

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                  The way you say “potentially diseased” is pretty rude.

                  What else does saying somebody’s behavior is abnormal and strongly pushing them to get professionally diagnosed really mean if not “potentially diseased”? I’m somebody who is on the spectrum too and I personally believe that autism is a normal difference, with specific qualities, and that OP’s reaction doesn’t really fit in this instance.

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                    That’s totally fair that you don’t think it fits, but I don’t think the other user was out of line for suggesting it might.

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                Neurodiversity is not disease and I do not appreciate that implication at all. Please educate yourself on the topic before you embarrass yourself and the rest of us further. This was profoundly ignorant and hurtful.

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                  I explained my position very clearly below your comment, but I do believe you are pathologizing normal behavior as being diseased or disordered, yes. I provided reasoning both in the comment you chose to respond to and in others. Feel free to understand my position before mischaracterizing it.

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                    I don’t block people. But you called autism “diseased” and there is no arguing your way back from that. Being on spectrum does not absolve you of being a toxic, hateful, ignorant bigot. You are welcome to your opinions and even to disagree, but what you have done here was deliberate, despicable, and antisocial. I hope you have a good day and learn to grow and do better, but I’ve tagged you as a warning to myself and won’t be responding to you again.

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        Because this isn’t a regular behavior. Ignoring a potential abnormality will just complicate their life. They didn’t diagnose anyone, please learn to read.

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        Even thoug the comment wasnt a direct diagnose its still unessecerly labeling. The explained situation could have multiple layers we cant possibly know of.