There is nothing shocking about this. What is surprising is why the hell aren’t local police not arresting their asses. ICE has shown they do not give a fuck about the well being of police officers and treat them like they are inferior. ICE is no match for the police department of any city.
it’s because the police support ice. acab
Not all cops bastards but too many cops are bastards
Just like all generalizations, there are of course exceptions. But I’m still not giving any of them the benefit of the doubt, cops are an enemy as far as I’m concenered.
There aren’t exceptions when the “good cops” are turning a blind eye on the “bad apples”.
I mean, I had an uncle who was a good guy. He ended up quitting the force and bought a boat to sail around the world. He was a decent one.
There are always outliers, so I have no doubt there are some decent folks who joined to make an actual difference. There might even be a few who managed to hold onto that drive. But they are part of a corrupt system, peered with power hungry morons. So I have no compunction saying that all cops are bastards.
Every group has outliers, it’s the sycophants who will always try to point out the minuscule good in the sea of evil as a means to whitewash the black stains. We aren’t stupid, we know that acab doesn’t mean every single cop walks I lockstep, it’s an observation of the system as a whole.
Your bastard uncle was rewarded with a cool boat and chill retirement for holding the rest of us at gunpoint. Fuck him.
I mean, fair enough, I’m not here to defend him, just an example of there being outliers. like I said, I wouldn’t give any of them the benefit of the doubt.
Just ask George Floyd.
I originally thought not ACAB, but until the “good cops” start arresting the “bad apples”, corrupt, prepotent, wife beaters, drug traffickers, sleazy, etc. I will conclude ACAB.
The only ones who get arrested are those who commit egregious offences that the public are aware of and leadership cannot swipe under the rug. And then the “Investigation” shows that there were already multiple reports of previous wrong doing and that their bosses and other cops already knew.
Was he the “bad apple” or was it the whole force which knew what he was doing?
You’d need a police force with zero bad apples for me to believe that not ACAB.
We need to accept that to really fix the situation.
I grew up in mexico where corruption is endemic. One day, my mom was complaining about corruption pointing fingers. I told her that I left mexico because it’s impossible to live there without being corrupt. That, if you give money to a corrupt police officer or any other bureaucrat you are corrupt, and most of the time it’s not even a choice. If you didn’t report wrong doing because “nothing will be done” you are corrupt.
So, It’s my observation that ACAB.
I agree with you, well said
“A few bad apples spoil the bunch.”
who do you think the LEO support.
This should still shock all of us
Currently, ICE outnumbers Minneapolis police by over 2 to 1.
Shirker’s Gestapo terrorizing kids. On brand for the kiddie rapist cult
How long before he takes his pick from among the most delectable children and has them snatched for him? Maybe it’s already happening?
Why not? Nothing would happen. It’s the right of kings!
PedoCon.
Sure, start socializing them to be terrified of the government while they’re still young.
I don’t want to die but I cannot live like this.
I know what you mean. I just wanted a quiet retirement and visit national park for the rest of my life. I really don’t know what to do. I have only been up for an hour and the headlines have already made me sick. America is being held by fascists and it seems 2/3rd do not give a single fuck with half of those just fine with the boot.
Who were they going to get? A kid? Or better yet, a teacher? A coach, a school janitor or bus driver?
Perhaps the public should re-examine the premise of why they hate “criminal” immigrants so much…
That protestor was fortunate that he wasn’t shot in the face.
On a side note, if you’re participating in a protest, please wear reasonable shoes or even steel-toed boots, not SANDALS. This request is for your own safety, I’m not the fashion police.
And especially don’t wear socks with sandals!
But Kamala laughed funny.
in reality the sexist, racist men dint want a black/indian woman as a president, they use excuses.
There was more than that to her unpopularity, honestly. We need to be a little more serious about what lead us to this place if we hope to avoid another loss, if we get the chance to run a candidate again.
No, it’s the Howard Dean scream all over again.
not exactly, the election showed us that most of the machines were rigged via starlink, and the red states closed thier polls very early on to stop the counting, they know they cant outright do voter fraud, so they immediately stopped it.
Bullshit. Provide a source.
At least rugged machines makes sense…
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
A reminder to all US residents for when you are close to an ICE vehicle. If it is a low vehicle such as a car, if they try to run you over by going forward, you will be thrown over the hood and likely to be okay, but vehicles that are higher or the back of a car will suck you under. Don’t stand behind an ICE vehicle or in front off an ICE truck/suv. It is safest from the side or the front of an ICE car. However check to see if the steering tires are straight because if it reverses and turns hard, it can suck you under the side.
You’ll only go over the hood if they’re traveling at a decent clip, ironically. I wouldn’t have that as your Plan A.
…and be sure to carry a small valve-stem remover tool in your pocket.
A BB or small piece of gravel screwed under the cap will slowly drain the air without having to need to carry a tool or knife you might get in trouble for. A nail placed under a parked tire is such a way to puncture only when they pull away will have a similar effect.
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That was a close one!
This is what Americans sign up for every day they choose not to act.
What part of this is shocking?
What part of this is shocking?
Thar more people aren’t trying to stop it?
Sure. Let me just take off a few days of work drive to Minneapolis and do what?
Are there federal government offices in your city?
Or local politicians you and your fellow citizens can loudly encourage to use their power?
Nobody said you have to do everything. Just do something.
You’d think we’d have more Dexter Morgan’s out there salivating over this shit.
Time to some school shooters if you ask me.
the school went on lockdown after federal agents were spotted in the area
I just want to call attention to the fact that this is where we are as a country. Federal employees are causing schools to go into lockdown.
Is that’s not a clear indication that things are broken, I don’t know what is.
Half the country loves this btw.
Much less than half, but they are a very noisy and emboldened group.
If you can get the apathetic and politically uninvolved to start caring, you can easily outnumber the MAGAts.
Good luck. They think by not caring, the country will fix itself and then justify not caring because everything’s falling apart. Makes no sense.
Do they really? I’ve seen a lot of comments supporting this shit, but I always thought they were propaganda bots…
and they have propaganda that either frames it as a liberal hellhole, or they dont report it
This cant be overstated enough. 70 million people absolutely love what’s happening.
Thats alot of pieces of shit.
Need a COVID for conservatives
It killed lots of them, but it had weakened by the time it spread to the rural states so it didn’t kill as quickly as the first wave in the big cities.
I’m still impressed that bird flu hasn’t made the jump to humans yet, that would be an extremely aggressive disease that would kill a lot of people, as most diseases that jump from animals to humans. Republicans have been lucky that their cuts to any and all disease controls haven’t resulted in it spreading freely
Oh, give it time.
We need to make it extremely unpleasant for those people
My male gamete donor is drooling with delight.
Your testicles drool? You might want to get that looked at by a doctor…
I’m a woman
Fear has no place in school. Oh, this is America. Nevermind.
“They don’t care. They’re just animals. I’ve never seen people behave like this.
You know it’s fucking dire if someone that works at a school says that.
They’re gonna get so much worse unless they’re stopped.
Fox has amped them up for the last 16 years.
I wish I could agree with you, but when I worked at a campus, I heard teachers make similar remarks about children of color.
“They care about teaching and keep the kids safe,” were among the reasons why these teachers should get to keep their jobs.
I’d think that silently forcing a child to accept their fate due to systemic racism due to your biases would be considered an act of aggression, but apparently I was at fault for reporting this behavior.
Okay, but they’re not saying that about a child of color. They’re saying it about DHS coming in and throwing people to the ground. I’m sorry that happened to you, but it’s not really relevant.
Huh, there seems to be a resounding “fuck you” to my previous comment. I think I may have either read too deep into your original comment, or I’m missing something that’s implied.
I read your comment as, “teachers are practically Mr. Rogers and it speaks volumes that they’d disparage anyone.” Did I misunderstand?
I believe it’s meant to be read as “teachers are observing ice behaving worse than even the most irreverent highschoolers”. Correct me if I’m wrong and I’ll delete this
I see, thank you!
That’s also what I read it as
For all the larpers here demanding violent response, here’s the link to Judge Karen Immergut’s final decision of November 7, 2025 kicking the National Guard out of Portland, Oregon.
https://www.opb.org/pdf/FINDINGS OF FACT AND CONCLUSIONS OF LAW_1762564569662.pdf
You don’t have to read the whole thing. In fact, you don’t have to read more than the first (long) paragraph to understand that the courts are still largely defending the Constitution, and that it was the lack of violent response to Trump’s provocations that caused her to rule against keeping the National Guard in Portland. I’ve added line breaks, but this is the first paragraph:
On September 27, 2025, the President of the United States federalized 200 members of the Oregon National Guard over the objection of Oregon’s governor and deployed them to a single federal building in Portland, Oregon. In the ensuing days, the President ordered the deployment of 400 federalized members of the Texas and California National Guards, all to the same federal building in Oregon. The mission of these deployments of military troops was ostensibly to quell violent protests outside the one-block Immigration and Customs Enforcement (“ICE”) building in Portland.
But after a three-day trial that included the testimony of federal, state, and local law enforcement officials and hundreds of exhibits describing protest activity outside the Portland ICE building, the evidence demonstrates that these deployments, which were objected to by Oregon’s governor and not requested by the federal officials in charge of protection of the ICE building, exceeded the President’s authority.
While violent protests did occur in June, they quickly abated due to the efforts of civil law enforcement officers. And since that brief span of a few days in June, the protests outside the Portland ICE facility have been predominately peaceful, with only isolated and sporadic instances of relatively low-level violence, largely between protesters and counter-protesters.
When considering these conditions that persisted for months before the President’s federalization of the National Guard, this Court concludes that even giving great deference to the President’s determination, the President did not have a lawful basis to federalize the National Guard under 10 U.S.C. § 12406. (emphases and line breaks added by me)
And then, specifically BECAUSE of the non-violent response of Portland, in every successive paragraph Judge Immergut labeled the order to move the National Guard into Portland UNLAWFUL.
A violent response is NOT the answer at this point in time. I guarantee we will ALL know when it is. Save your shot.
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight. It’s not their blood that will be shed, not their families destroyed, not the last shreds of their democracy thrown into the cesspit of an impotent orange excrescence’s lust for power and unending greed: it will be our own.
If you’re here to say you think people should fight, all you’re really telling me is that you’ve never had to fight, you don’t know how it works, you won’t be the one to pay the price in your own blood, AND you want Trump to consolidate his power even faster than he already is by giving him reason to occupy cities with the National Guard, declare martial law, and avoid having midterm elections. Think twice.
As an outsider; there’s always plenty of trolls out there, but I think a lot of the recent calls for violence stem from tons of people outside being really scared right now. The head of the state of USA just kidnapped a leader of another nation in a military operation and is threatening to attack and conquer part of another sovereign state, which even has been allied with USA for a long time. So from Europe especially it looks like your country has turned on us and become a real threat, and you are lead by unhinged megalomaniac controlling the worlds largest army, that might actually do as he says; collapse NATO and start another great war.
Seeing video footage of someone being brutally murdered by the state has truly shocked people in my country as well - something like that is incredibly alarming, and combined with your leaders threats of war, to us it basically looks like fascists have taken over your country already. Considering the history of ww2 and the rise of nazis is still well known and remembered in Europe, it’s easy to jump into conclusions about where this seems to be leading into, since we are barely getting news about any resistance happening.
All this combined with scared people thus logically ends up with pleas to do anything to stop ww3 from happening, since it is your country threatening to start it
Our country has already fallen to fascists. That happened. Otherwise all this wouldn’t be happening. People need to accept that and start organizing before he starts WW3, which he very well.may have already.
I agree with every word you wrote. Now imagine being a citizen of that country that is threatening WWIII in your name. and completely against your will while all around you its adherents act like they’re in a cult and babble sound bites and nonsense at you while you watch them work toward blowing the world up.
You have no idea how many of us are on your side, because even our media goes at the worst of these excesses with a “both sides the same” approach. I personally am terrified, but I’m old enough to know that wars always last longer than people think they will. Save your shot and use it for maximum effect.
Protests do work; violence does not. We’ve had a lot of violent protests in the US in the last few years, but none of them are viewed as successes. There’s a reason for that. Getting people riled up to do stupid things helps no one but the oppressor. Cop City was built for this, and they started that what, ten years ago? That’s how long they’ve been preparing. And Alligator Alcatraz has thousands of beds . . . for deportees? No. Deportees get deported, you don’t hold them. They waited until the infrastructure was ready, and now they are so prepared for anyone who wants to go violent, because they want that, and will use that to declare martial law. And we, the resistance, is only just starting!
What we need and want is for the fence-sitters among us to join the protest, and that does not happen with violence. Violence repels the non-involved and gives them a reason to turn away.
Calls to violence that lead to violence are exactly what this regime wants. Why do you advocate giving them anything at all? There are many ways to manage emotions that do not involve calling other people to fight in the streets. If we see violence in the streets, that means the regime is fully in place and we are now under martial law: in that instance everyone should fight as much as they want.
But until then, be wise. This is only the beginning. If anyone wants to make a REAL difference, then instead of calling for others to shed their blood for you, you decide what you can do where you are, using what you have, to make a start. If you’re not in the US it really helps when YOU protest! And of course here we can each do what we can. We haven’t even tried a general strike, and that would be our next best step.
Canadian here: it is important to us that you resist your fascist regime. We need you to do that just as much you need to do that for yourselves. It is also extremely important to deeply understand that resistance is NOT a binary switch that flips between “nothing” and “armed resistance”. At this stage in the game, in the US, you guys need to be doing a whole lot more of non-armed and institutional resistance. You need extreme pettiness. Make the trumpofascists pay a price in annoyance every step of the fucking way.
For example, call your senators and congresspeople, even the more radical left ones, and ask them why they are not calling for votes for every fucking little thing that depends on unanimity.. RESIST OR GET OUT OF THE WAY.
Then, the question goes to the mayors the ones that bluster with “gtfo ICE”. Why are they not doing road reconstruction in front and round ICE facilities? Why are there no incessant pipe maintenance requests at the sewers and cables and water mains that feed those compounds? RATFUCK THEM.
Then the question goes to the merchants. Why are there “we don’t sell to ICE” signs on shops around their compounds? Why are they contracting work to them? Why is any private entity in the ICE supply chain not being constantly threatened with boycotts and divestment? MAKE IT TOXIC TO WORK WITH THEM.
Do I need to keep going, or do people get the idea?
In the meantime, my fellow countrymen, beware of larpers who don’t even live in the US, much less in Minneapolis, trying to whip up rage and get people to fight.
This bears repeating. I’ve seen it in every political thread here on lemmy.world for the last year. Every, single, time, some troll crashes into the thread and promotes escalation and violence. And every time someone takes the bait and gets into an argument, swamping half the visible comment area, effectively pushing out any sane discourse about a smarter way to deal with this. It’s hard to see it happen with such regularity and not imagine this to be calculated and deliberate.
To this I say: let’s treat our political forum spaces like a protest. Stay civil. Call out provocateurs but don’t engage directly. Downvote and report to admins. Freeze these trolls out of the conversation, and let’s keep putting our heads together.
I just tell the trolls to address the rising right wing threat in their own country, because wherever they’re from, it’s happening there, too.
Thank you for saying this. I do not believe any of them are posting in good faith, and when challenged rely on logical fallacies and emotionally charged non-factual or barely factual statements.
They’re here solely to inflame and incite. No other conclusion left to draw.
It might depend on how we define “good faith”, but I think some of them are probably posting in good faith — though good intentions don’t negate the harm they do, of course. I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening. I say this as someone who isn’t an American, and thus can only spectate with horror as American politics continues going to hell, with ripple effects on the rest of the world.
It’s easy to rile people up when it’s not your neck on the line though. However uncomfortable it is to be spectating what’s happening in the US, you guys have it much worse. It would be nice to imagine that this is the kind of thing that could be solved through one, big push of violent resistance, but with how deep MAGA cronies have gotten their talons into US politics, resistance will necessarily require thinking of the long game. Violent resistance, when deployed unwisely, can end up serving the ends of the oppressor.
I get the sense that some of the people trying to incite violent action are feeling overwhelmed and powerless due to being so far away from what is happening.
I agree with this, and it shames me that my own humanity is dulled enough by constant challenges to consider it secondary. But a core part of what us anti-fascists actually tend to agree about is that words matter. I’d take it a step further and say that en masse we are individually creating change whether for better or worse, whether we acknowledge we have that power or not.
So when we incite others, we are making the problem bigger even in spite of ourselves, even as much as we claim to want the opposite (a return to sane leadership and at least superficially courteous discourse).
And that’s beyond the obvious logistics: these people arguing for violent resistance never say where or when or how they’d like others to fight, but those of us who have actually been to protests that got heated know it’s not that simple. Agents provocateurs are everywhere, because they want it to get violent, the administration wants to be able to run headlines that paint resistors as disgruntled agitators and hoodlums and troublemakers, not your neighbor or your coworker or your boss. Anything to dehumanize and label “the other”, and violent protests deliver us all up to that end. As soon as we are labeled, we cease to matter.
Compounding this problem, Americans have been firehosed with propaganda and mass manipulation from every direction for over a decade now, including mainstream media. The atmosphere here now is much what I have read of pre-WWII Germany: tight, cautious, foreboding, grim. And angry. Extremely angry. So when I see people who want to light a match to it, it’s almost impossible for me to see that as an act of good faith.
In the meantime, for all the media focus on this unconscionable murder of a citizen just trying to get home (apparently she was shot on the same street she lived) the existing cracks in the administration’s attempts to consolidate power are widening. I’d point you to Heather Cox Richardson, who mentioned in her chat today what the media is downplaying: that the Dems finally pushed through a vote on the healthcare subsidies today, and they got it through on a discharge petition because over a dozen Republicans voted for it in spite of Trump’s threats and Mike Johnson’s best efforts to keep it from a vote. The House is also set to overturn two Trump vetoes (one of which is a Trump revenge veto against Lauren Boebert of Colorado for standing firm on the Epstein files).
That’s a big deal. This complicit Congress, without whom Trump would have nothing, are now working across the aisle on multiple issues in spite of him. Even Minnesota is standing firm and telling the feds that the ICE thug who shot Ms. Good can in fact be charged with murder by the state, and there’s really nothing the feds can do about it. The Supreme Court can only rule on what comes before it; meanwhile, lower courts are overturning his efforts right and left.
In short, he is losing power faster than he can consolidate it, and when it comes right down to it, his goons shot a woman whose only crime was trying to get home from dropping her son off at school. When American beliefs have shifted away from a prevailing wind, it has often been because of a victim like Ms. Good that we can all relate to. Again, the firehose of lies is flooding the media with their alternative narrative, but those videos are circulating faster than they can be shut down – and even the videos only exist because sane individuals were out there blowing whistles to let their neighbors know that ICE was there to begin with. That’s where real change happens, and where true power lies: with the individual.
So yeah. I can’t tell you how bad it is here right now: it is beyond anything I have ever experienced. But resistance is popping up everywhere, and outside of the roughly 20%-25% that are always going to support authoritarian rule in any society, there is no real support for him. That’s another reason why I’d tell people here to incite violence to knock it off: they could actually be part of the growing resistance if they let go of the rage and think about what’s next. Wisdom and rage rarely accomplish the same thing, and we’ve only just started to fight back. Anyone who wants to fight in the street will likely have their opportunity to do so, unfortunately. But right now it will only fuel the oppressor.
Thank you for your courteous reply; I was kind of shocked to see it, honestly. I appreciate it, more than you know.
Seriously, thank you for that writeup. I clung to every word, and it inspired hope.
While the prevailing hivemind narrative is that people are “doing nothing” while Nero plays his fiddle, that’s clearly not actually the case, and inspires me to be way more politically active.
Thank you again for the discourse and taking the time to educate people. You’re doing good work. God bless and stay safe out there. <3
Are you using AI? Who writes like that?
Professionals. Academics. Anyone who’s been to college can write like that. Go get an education.
I do, all the time. I used to on Reddit quite a lot. So, if anything, AI writes like me.
So, if anything, AI writes like me.
What a mic-drop shutdown of a response. DAMN. Lol!
Seriously, thank you for that writeup. I clung to every word, and it inspired hope.
While the prevailing hivemind narrative is that people are “doing nothing” while Nero plays his fiddle, that’s clearly not actually the case, and inspires me to be way more politically active.
I’m also wary of all these “Well go start a fight or you don’t actually care” posts. They’re typical keyboard-warrior nonsense and I wouldn’t be surprised if they were bots at this point, as there would be a lot of value in flooding every communication platform imaginable with this rhetoric until it does something to legitimize tyranny. This would be trivial for any nation-state or even competent fringe group to pull off.
Thank you again for the discourse and taking the time to educate people. You’re doing good work. God bless and stay safe out there. <3
I’m what AI trained on, fool.
I tend to agree. I’m trying my level best to approach the entire situation with as much humanism and empathy as I can muster. That said, I’ve become a bit more bold in asking for honest follow-up from these folks: what’s the plan, what have you done to prepare, what practical things can the rest of us do, and how will you survive the violent uprising you endorse? I’ve watched others try this as well. So far, it’s just been radio silence every time. While not direct evidence, my experience so far is that these troll-like comments are strongly resemble bad-faith arguments, as their authors disengage when I attempt to solicit details and/or de-escalate the conversation.
this is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis.
That’s how they’d love everyone to think. Violent response gives pretext to drive the jackboot in. If you try to go to pick a fight on a force with a monopoly on violence, you’ll get yourself killed and embolden them.
Successful overthrows happen when elites break ranks, when organised alternatives exist, when military, police and bureaucracy take another option.
Organise peaceful protest, appeal to those in power rather than threatening them, and make the alternative more attractive than the status quo.
I agree, to some significant extent. But I don’t agree with the suppression of violence, here. Rather, it should be channeled into the ranks of said organized alternatives.
…but if there are no organized alternatives, and someone loses their shit, they should do a little research and aim at the most egregious lawnreakers first.
So what specific violence do you recommend? Against whom? Where? When? Based on which historical precedent (pick just one)?
Because you’re both very light on specifics. “[T]his is the argument that caused people to permit the Nazis” is a statement made of smoke.
The specific violence is highly contextual. And it’s wise to be light on specifics, but for historical examples you can look up the history of German and Austrian resistance fighters in Germany during and prior to world war 2 if you like. Efforts both peaceful and violent had an impact and contributed to the allied victory.
A good example would be finding specific individuals who have broken the law and killed people, but who have avoided any legal repercussion, and ensuring that there is a repercussion.
It’s definitely not an action that should be taken wildly, or while on tilt. but we’re approaching the point of needing that kind of action.
Ah yes, because if people shot Nazis the Nazis would have taken their ball and gone home.
they did. It was called World War 2.
Really? One person shot one Nazi and the Nazis stopped the holocaust?
don’t pretend your mind doesn’t work well enough to comprehend what I’m saying.
You’re saying an alliance of a dozen countries completely crushed the Nazi war machine.
Which isn’t relevant.
You’re strongly implying shooting someone (anyone?) in the US federal government will stop the rapidly increasing fascism. It won’t. It will be a casus belli to double down on fascism.
So go pound sand.
The casus belli argument might be meaningful if they weren’t already bellicose, and actively pursuing violence. So go hide in a corner.
that said, I don’t advocate violence yet (until, perhaps, an actual dictatorship is established and election terms are violated). It’s still a situation that has potential to be resolved internally, with law, come the elections this year - if there’s meaningful action by the representation.
However, if someone loses their shit, I argue that they should do their homework and go for the most dire of lawbreakers first.
