Unfortunately, this is only about hospitalisations. Crimes involving knives/sharp objects have been going steady, with a slight increase last years, from what I can see, mostly focused around rapes :( Source (uk parliament, confirming numbers about hospitalisations): https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf
Knife crime in sharp decline
Stop, stop, you’ll scare a conservative Londoner with language like that!
It’s generally not even Londoners re-posting crime “news” about the capital (we live there, so we know) it’s more certain people from rural areas who neither live, work or visit London.
Those certain people are either the ones who have a chip on their shoulder about how London is a success despite not catering exclusively to white native born people, or people who just got sucked into an alternate reality where they read so much crime news that everyone in London must get stabbed once a year.
There is also a healthy dosage of conflating per square mile and per capita crime
Be careful using the word “conservative” if you’re discussing UK politics - it’s literally the name of a (mainstream) political party.
I’d like to think that the person from feddit.uk knows that! I obviously don’t know you’re background either but FYI I’d say that this sentence does just refer to a generally conservative person. In the UK we don’t really refer to individuals by their party name directly like Republican/Democrat in the US etc. Someone who literally votes Conservative you might refer to as a tory, though there’s not really parallels to other political parties. Sorry if this not news to you!
Regardless of the whole big c / little c argument I’d still be hard pressed to find one person that was alarmed with falling crime figures…
I assume (perhaps incorrectly) that the poster meant a “knee-jerky, xenophobic, Reform / BNP / UKIP / English Alliance etc. voting Londoner” because, yeah, that headline would be counter to their narrative.
I think that’s exactly what they meant, and that they would be troubled by a headline that challenges their world view.
Almost. The thing with the conservative mindset (referring to right wing authoritarianism generally, not Tories in particular) is that they are motivated by fear of others. Sorry for causing confusion, I’m not from here originally and I don’t even make sense back home, sometimes.
The graph illustrates a divergence between real knife crime and fears about knife crime on X (where the blame is seemingly laid on monetisation of posts).
The dot I’m connecting mentally here is that preferential treatment is being given to fear-based posting about crime and minorities, which is exactly what you would do as a billionaire who wants to buy a mass media platform. A tale as old as semaphore, that.
So, the idea of a right wing Londoner getting spooked by suspiciously boosted, factually misleading scare content promoted by an even richer, more right wing bastard kind of makes me laugh. They’re driving each other crazier and crazier all the time, and ultimately it’s not all that funny.
I always find it interesting when you’re only provided a portion of the data in a chart, as this shows “hospital Admissions” and not total incidents involving a knife.
If you look at other reports on the issue it seems like incidents involving a knife are still high (and don’t follow the trend from the graph) even though hospital Admissions and deaths are down - Source.
That could mean that reporting is up while crime is down, or could mean that less incidents are ending violently, but it’s not as clear a picture as the initial graph indicates.
Note: the source is for the UK in general, but other London based reports show similar. I chose that article because they seem fairly trustworthy.
Isn’t the outcome the important thing? Like, clearly fewer people are dying/being hospitalized by knife attacks, isn’t that ultimately the relevant metric?
Well, that means knife crime is more successful. Rarely are you supposed to even use the knife. And the victim needing a hospital after is also a failure. Therefore if knife crime remains high and hospitalizations are lowered that means the criminals have more success with it and it becomes are attractive formof crime.
I wonder what happened around 2018ish
I think the drop is 2020 and then it never recovered actually?
I mean why was there a big surge around that time? Not referring to the later drop.
Because I don’t understand correlation vs causation, I can only conclude that the monetization of X caused a steep decline in knife violence
These two graphs cover different time periods. It looks like the monetization of X lines up with that hump of sharply increased knife crime at the end there.
I think that it’s true specifically because you don’t understand correlation vs causation
/s
Probably because all the criminals are too busy posting about scary Muslim knife attacks on X.
Nothing on X is organically viral now. Elon is the ultimate powertripping admin, and he will shape his website however he wants
Elon is the ultimate white powertripping admin>
Ftfy
Is this supposed to highlight that he’s white, highlight that there’s non-white admins who powertrip more, or be a play on using irrelevant data to muddy the waters of critical thought?
I just want to be sure what subtext you’re using.
It’s a pun. Not a subtext.
_White power_tripping
No I was saying he’s a Nazi.
why not just say he’s a nazi then? why equate being white to being a nazi? so weird
I believe the reference was not to the word ‘white’, though to the term ‘white power’, which has been established as a phrase of those who ascribe to the idea of white supremacy.
Seems to me he was calling him a nazi.Hope this clears things.
Yes. Here I see my mistake, let me try again.
Elon is the ultimate white powertripping admin>
Ftfy
Fear mongering right wing media machine goes brrrrrr
Same thing in Germany with crime in general constantly dropping while anti immigration sentiment keeps rising under the excuse of “violent immigrants”
A common trope of this kind of “Press” in the UK was (no idea if still is, as I left Britain some years ago) the “many generations of the same family living on benefits (i.e social security)”, which was part to greater far-right picture they very purposefully painted of poor people as leeches.
Somebody actual went and researched it and found out that in the whole of Britain - home to over 40 million people - there was a grand total of 3 families with 3 generations living on benefits, 4 if you count the massive stippend the Royal family gets from the British state as “benefits”, though they’re filthy rich and don’t actually need it.
A common schitck of the far-right propaganda to selects a handful of people who are assholes and happen to be part of a social group said far-right wishes to slander and point them out as if they’re representative of whole group. They do this for everybody, not just immigrants and it’s not just them doing it: for example, notice how news coverage of demonstrations from some News organisations tends to focus of the handful of people destroying things rather than on the majority who are behaving peacefully.
US too, crime has been dropping for decades but we apparently need a Gestapo force to go after criminal gangs
Well someone has to bring the crime back up
Those privately owned prisons won’t fill themselves.
The curious thing about US crime statistics is that we only count crimes against the state. We never count crimes committed by the state.
I would argue that US Crime has been sharply on the rise, from within the organs of the government itself (and its corporate affiliates).
The definition of “crime” is pretty much controlled by a small number of people: It ain’t a crime if there’s no law against it.
Always remember that the mass murder of Jews and Roma in NAZI Germany wasn’t a crime because it was all legal. Similarly, Slavery wasn’t a crime in most of the World, and even today in many countries, such as the US some forms of it (for example using prisioners as forced labour) aren’t a crime.
We’ve been indoctrinated into in everyday speech conflate Legality with Morality (as its very useful for those who control lawmaking for the riff-raff to unthinkingly shun those deemed law-breakers and side with law-enforcers), so IMHO it’s a good idea to, once in a while, remind oneself that Laws are made by Humans, not Gods, and the reasons for Humans to make Laws as they are, are messy and the results themselves are often bad and easy to selectivelly interpret and abuse.
True but I didn’t want to get into the nitty gritty and just comment on the conservative “crime in the streets!!” fantasy
Rightwingers keep trying to make Cali look like a crime ridden cesspool and Texas the peak of law and order, but crime statics between the two are marginal. They tend to shutdown whenever I cite sources on that.
texas has more murders, shooting on average. and they believe it to be the opposite.
I’m gonna keep bringing this bell until people sit down and reread chicken little
The foxes want you to believe the sky is falling.
They want you panicked, so they can control you.
Their intent is to devour you.
The correct reaction is to not listen to them.
And while we’re at it, un-ban all the silly things that they used your baseless hysteria as a purported justification for banning.
Knives for everybody! All shapes and sizes.
If everybody has a knife, then nobody has one.
Instead of getting smacked on the butt, newborn babies should be handed a switchblade so they can protect themselves.
Agreed.
Also, if everybody has a knife, the cartel that slaps those impossible-to-tear plastic collars over the necks of bottles of salad dressing and soy sauce will no longer hold any power over us.
2/3 of murders in Minneapolis MN were committed my ICE agents this year. They say they want to make us safer.
I have frequently said, I have never been helped or protected by law enforcement. I have needed their help, and received shrugs. Overall, the world is a lot safer than government would have you believe, and they only want to protect capital anyway.
minneapolis has serve thier political purpose of the right: drum up support for a gop GOVERNER campaign, that dint work. so they are largely pulling out, and distracting from the epstein files, which largely dint work.
What’s mildly infuriating is that the viral content graph doesn’t show the years where knife crime actually peaked.
Yeah these graphs are frustrating. The knife one also has a Y axis starting at 600 along with the numbers being a “rolling 12 month average” of stabbings, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.
Rolling averages are used to smooth-out graphs with high-frequency noise. Since measuring the stabbings per month only gives you some 50 stabbings on average, maybe one month you’d get 30 and the next month 70 due to stochastic reasons, and so to make the graph smoother and more readable and long-term trends more visible, you can do a rolling average.
As for the “starting in 600”, that’s common practice and it’s good as long as the axes are properly labelled, which they are.
the isnt even a correlation in that graph. e.g. if you look that crime peak in 2023, there is absolutely no correlating peak or drop in the twitter posts.
I think that’s the point. Like they don’t care about the actual stats and just say whatever they want for clicks
Same as here in the states. Rural people happily eat up that the city is unsafe, and they happily believe they are so much smarter than everyone else for not living in the city and being murdered every other day.
Man, I have this debate quite often - usually about “the situation in Sweeden”. Any links available to the article, so I can share with my concerned friends?
Chiming in from Sweden, the situation here was getting very bad (relatively to how it used to be here, and how it is in the rest of the Nordics). When my dad was a kid, shootings would be national news, when I was a kid, bombings would be national news. Nowadays they are both so frequent that it barely makes the dailies.
Things have slowly started getting better again however, even if it’s slow going.
Here’s a link to a visualization tool from our national broadcaster. Keep in mind, all of Sweden is just some 10 million people.
https://www.svt.se/datajournalistik/skjutningar-i-sverige-ar-for-ar/
Sweden discourages integration, so there you are.
How do you mean?
Does the drop in knife crime just happen to coincide with when BJ stopped being mayor?
Heh, “sharp” decline.
